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ASUS Sues GIGABYTE for ''Defamatory and False Accusations''

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some resistors are moved between the PCI-E slot (blue) and the nearest PCI slot
the P35 pro doesn't have the LGA775 socket cover on in the picture.
The angle of the pictures is slightly different
one has Ugurue on has Mguru
Xe model supports 1066 ram
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Since Asus is replying to GIGABYTE by throwing on the market a brand new product (that wasn't in the original discussion), why don't we look at the new DES Advanced from GIGABYTE that can work WITHOUT software??

Read here: http://www.gigabyte.eu/FileList/WebPage/mb_080516_des_advanced/tech_080516_des_advanced.htm

Some quotes:

Dynamic Energy Saver Advanced Features
● Improved algorithms in power savings and system performance
● Minimize CPU resources by allowing the DES utility to be turned off
● Power Saving remains ON even if DES utility is turned off or removed from Windows task bar
● Allows Power Phase Switching even if users overclock or over-volt the system


Let Mortal Kombat begin :D
 

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Since Asus is replying to GIGABYTE by throwing on the market a brand new product (that wasn't in the original discussion), why don't we look at the new DES Advanced from GIGABYTE that can work WITHOUT software??

Read here: http://www.gigabyte.eu/FileList/WebPage/mb_080516_des_advanced/tech_080516_des_advanced.htm

Some quotes:

Dynamic Energy Saver Advanced Features
● Improved algorithms in power savings and system performance
● Minimize CPU resources by allowing the DES utility to be turned off
● Power Saving remains ON even if DES utility is turned off or removed from Windows task bar
● Allows Power Phase Switching even if users overclock or over-volt the system


Let Mortal Kombat begin :D

gigabyte switches off several phases when the CPU is not using its full power, whereas asus only has 2 steps - its about the only difference, other than asus has an EPU, where gigabyte never claims to have a 'hardware' solution.
 
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You didn't pay attention at what I said. Now I was talking about the new technology, like Asus did in reply to Gigabyte claims. So, let's talk about the old with old, and new with new technology... GB new DES can be entirely hardware if user wants.

P.S. I am very well aware of how DES is working :D
 

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Hardware/software who cares? I want energy savings without underclocking my CPU one bit.
 
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Hardware/software who cares? I want energy savings without underclocking my CPU one bit.

Then a 45nm CPU with high-k + Metal Gate is all you need.:) No DES or EPU.

But, I dont get it. What's wrong with underclocking as long as it's performed while you're away or you're leaving your pc on for downloads, seeding, or using it just for MS Office?

My CPU at the moment clocks at 2000 Mhz (333x6). (Using it for browsing & download)
If I start a game like UT3 for example it sets itself to 3573 Mhz (397x9).

Why would I need the extra clocks\heat\wattage in the 1st situation when even at 2000Mhz I still use about 2% of the processor.

Is there a degrading that I'm unaware of from changing your clocks to often? (i'm not talking about OC's)
 

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no there is no degradation at all. damage slowly occurs in extreme hot to cold temp changes (thermal expansion and contraction) but by running lower clocks and volts at idle, you actually give it a more stable environment over a longer period of time.

(EG 2% CPU usage at 4GHz would make more changes in heat than 4% usage at 2Ghz)
 

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Xe model supports 1066 ram
XE model supports 1600FSB

LOL! That's the only real difference although the IP35-Pro can easily reach 1600FSB. ;)
 

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for al augh, my asus boards came with foxconn IDE and SATA cables. foxconn are hiding everywhere!

Foxconn makes the HSF's for AMD as well.
 
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