AMD Delays ATI Radeon HD 4800 Launch to June 23

[newconroer]

Isn't it ironic how new cards launch at near identical dates sometimes?

I could understand a particular season such as Christmas, or a certain 'hot' sales quarter during the year...

 

[trt740]

guys the geforce cards will be good, heck even if the took a 9800gtx and upped the bus to 384 bit like a 8800gtx and kept everything the same the same the card would destroy anything currently out. The only reason a 8800gtx can keep up is the increased bandwith from the 384 bit bus. If a 9800gtx had that bus and say 100 more shader it almost increase performance by 45 percent.

and here are the reported 9900gtx specs .Higher than what I purposed. This is supposed to be leaked specs but it's not confirmed.


9900gt specs65nm process
MC 512
1GB GDDR3
240 SP
32 ROP
6+8Pin

here are some more specs none are confirmed and may be wrong. These are great for comparison to the 4870

9900gtx specs
55nm TSMC process
Single chip with "dual G92b like" cores
330-350mm2 die size
900M+ transistors
512-bit memory interface
32 ROP
192SP (24X8)
6+8 Pin PCI connector
550~600W PSU min
GDDR3 memories
10.5" long
Dual slot TM71 cooler from Coolermaster
TDP up to 240W
P651 PCB

 

[candle_86]

Well, we all know R600 was delayed like a mofo due to the merger . . . but there wasn't any launch date set until they were ready to roll

but I mean, the cards being delayed after ATI has already set a launch date

y'know - like what nVidia does with just about every new series release

last i check, the 6800 showed on time, 7800. 7900, 88000 and 9800 all arrived on there set launch dates

 

[Tropicocity]

GTX 280 specs Semi-Confirmed at Computech 2008

Here you'll see the specs that have been rumored, seem to be true.
240 SPs, 1 gigabyte of 1.8ghz(im guessing it'll be higher) vram, 512-bit memory bus, tri-sli compatible - no sign of final clock speeds for the core/shaders though.

Let's hope they stick to their core:shader ratios like before! Hoping for at least affordable pricing on the gtxs - or at least a reduction in current-generation pricings!

 

[tkpenalty]

guys the geforce cards will be good, heck even if the took a 9800gtx and upped the bus to 384 bit like a 8800gtx and kept everything the same the same the card would destroy anything currently out. The only reason a 8800gtx can keep up is the increased bandwith from the 384 bit bus. If a 9800gtx had that bus and say 100 more shader it almost increase performance by 45 percent.

and here are the reported 9900gtx specs .Higher than what I purposed. This is supposed to be leaked specs but it's not confirmed.


9900gt specs65nm process
MC 512
1GB GDDR3
240 SP
32 ROP
6+8Pin

here are some more specs none are confirmed and may be wrong. These are great for comparison to the 4870

9900gtx specs
55nm TSMC process
Single chip with "dual G92b like" cores
330-350mm2 die size
900M+ transistors
512-bit memory interface
32 ROP
192SP (24X8)
6+8 Pin PCI connector
550~600W PSU min
GDDR3 memories
10.5" long
Dual slot TM71 cooler from Coolermaster
TDP up to 240W
P651 PCB

Um. 9900GTX? Its called the GTX280.

 

[eidairaman1]

Last i Recall, this topic was about AMD (ATi) Specifically, not nvidia, not intel. Please keep this topic on track!

 

[eidairaman1]

I get the feeling this is related to the GDDR5 shortages, and ATI wanting to keep the 4850 and 4870 within a certain timeframe of each other . . .

it's rare that ATI delays new hardware launches that have already had a date set, I think this will be the first time since the 1800 series, IIRC.

THis is like the Launch of the R300 AGP, 9500/9700 Launched at same time.

 

[Tropicocity]

Last i Recall, this topic was about AMD (ATi) Specifically, not nvidia, not intel. Please keep this topic on track!

Actually this post was purely informative, letting people know that ATi's release date changed.
Since the 7th post it's been mostly nVidia talk, with a bit of "last generation ati was slower than nvidia" thrown in.

 

[Megasty]

Last i Recall, this topic was about AMD (ATi) Specifically, not nvidia, not intel. Please keep this topic on track!

Yeah, so let me indulge this thread with this tasty treat

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7841.html

 

[eidairaman1]

i thought the 850's + 1950's were TOP cards

1950 Line was just a Efficientcy update to the 1900 Line.

 

[trt740]

Um. 9900GTX? Its called the GTX280.

give me a break and you know that for a fact? I had to call it something.

 

[DOM]

give me a break and you know that for a fact? I had to call it something.

 

[Tropicocity]

Yeah, so let me indulge this thread with this tasty treat

http://www.nordichardware.com/news,7841.html

Both cards having 800 shader processors? I don't believe that for a second.
the quoted 480 sounds like a much more reasonable figure, given the 3870's 320.

If it turns out to be true im sure it'll be a good thing for the budget-buying gaming community, though we've seen in the past that having more shader processors means nothing in terms of actual performance. It all depends on how they end up being clocked and on the efficiency of the way they made them work. (e.g a 128 shader gts 512 beating the 640 shader 3870x2 in a high amount of games - dont need to mention the 112 shader gt performing better than the 320 shader 3870.)

 

[trt740]

Both cards having 800 shader processors? I don't believe that for a second.
the quoted 480 sounds like a much more reasonable figure, given the 3870's 320.

If it turns out to be true im sure it'll be a good thing for the budget-buying gaming community, though we've seen in the past that having more shader processors means nothing in terms of actual performance. It all depends on how they end up being clocked and on the efficiency of the way they made them work. (e.g a 128 shader gts 512 beating the 640 shader 3870x2 in a high amount of games - dont need to mention the 112 shader gt performing better than the 320 shader 3870.)

This is not true at all now with newer drivers the 3870x2 beats the 8800gts hands down. When I say newer I mean in the last month.

 

[Megasty]

Both cards having 800 shader processors? I don't believe that for a second.
the quoted 480 sounds like a much more reasonable figure, given the 3870's 320.

If it turns out to be true im sure it'll be a good thing for the budget-buying gaming community, though we've seen in the past that having more shader processors means nothing in terms of actual performance. It all depends on how they end up being clocked and on the efficiency of the way they made them work. (e.g a 128 shader gts 512 beating the 640 shader 3870x2 in a high amount of games - dont need to mention the 112 shader gt performing better than the 320 shader 3870.)

I think you've missed the point. The 320 shaders of the RV670 aren't the same as the 112 of the 8800gt, 2 different archs. BTW, a GTS can't beat a 3870x2 no matter how you put it, even a 9800gtx can't. I should know, I have all 3. Don't believe all the silly benchmarks that are out there. Real world gaming is everything. The specs for the 48xx are still up in the air but it will be 160*5D or 96*5D just like the 38xx have 64*5D, or is it 80*4D...GD I'm getting confused, I must be getting too old for this as well

 

[Tropicocity]

I think you've missed the point. The 320 shaders of the RV670 aren't the same as the 112 of the 8800gt, 2 different archs. BTW, a GTS can't beat a 3870x2 no matter how you put it, even a 9800gtx can't. I should know, I have all 3. Don't believe all the silly benchmarks that are out there. Real world gaming is everything. The specs for the 48xx are still up in the air but it will be 160*5D or 96*5D just like the 38xx have 64*5D, or is it 80*4D...GD I'm getting confused, I must be getting too old for this as well

Depends entirely on the game you're playing - the gts can and will beat the x2 at certain games and at certain resolutions (16x10 for example), it's no surprise as nVidia spends a lot of money seeding developers with systems in the "the way its meant to be played" programme, so developers can optimize the games for nvidia's cards.

I think it's clear that the gtx series is going to be more powerful than ati;s offerings, however, ati will likely take the bang-for-buck or price/performance ratio crown.

 

[flashstar]

More powerful probably means +-10%. If this means a doubling of price, no one is going to buy Nvidia.

 

[trt740]

I think you've missed the point. The 320 shaders of the RV670 aren't the same as the 112 of the 8800gt, 2 different archs. BTW, a GTS can't beat a 3870x2 no matter how you put it, even a 9800gtx can't. I should know, I have all 3. Don't believe all the silly benchmarks that are out there. Real world gaming is everything. The specs for the 48xx are still up in the air but it will be 160*5D or 96*5D just like the 38xx have 64*5D, or is it 80*4D...GD I'm getting confused, I must be getting too old for this as well

well Ive had a 8800gs,8800gt, 3 8800gts , 8800gtx, 1 9800gtx , 2 3870 , 2900xt 1gb ddr4 and a 3870x2 and the 3870x2 kills the gtx and all the other cards you are wrong. The only card that is close is the 9800 gtx clocked at 840/2000/ 2400 and it will beat a 8800gts aswell because of it's ram. The only game that a 8800 gts beats the 3870x2 is crysis and that is a programing issue / driver issue. I am also talking about a 3870x2 using cat 8.5 drivers not the older drivers even a few months ago. I also didn't miss the point at all. I have played WOW, Guild wars, Crysis,Witcher, Quakwars enemy territory, Titan quest, Gears of war, oblivion etc. The 3870x2 dominates oblivion and the 8800 gts/ 9800gtx Crysis but the rest of the games the 3870x2 kills all the other cards I have owned. The 9800gtx is no slouch and every games is playable (8800gtx wasn't bad either) Heck the 8800gs at 725/1800/1700 wasn't bad for that matter. The only card that struggeled in some games was the basic 3870 and only in a few.

 

[Megasty]

well Ive had a 8800gs,8800gt, 3 8800gts , 8800gtx, 1 9800gtx , 2 3870 , 2900xt 1gb ddr4 and a 3870x2 and the 3870x2 kills the gtx and all the other cards you are wrong. The only card that is close is the 9800 gtx clocked at 840/2000/ 2400 and it will beat a 8800gts aswell because of it's ram. The only game that a 8800 gts beats the 3870x2 is crysis and that is a programing issue / driver issue. I am also talking about a 3870x2 using cat 8.5 drivers not the older drivers even a few months ago. I also didn't miss the point at all. I have played WOW, Guild wars, Crysis,Witcher, Quakwars. Titan quest, gears of war, oblivion etc. The 3870x2 dominates oblivion and the 8800 gts Crysis but the rest of the games the 3870x2 kills all the other cards I have owned.

huh

My post was directed at the poor soul Tropicocity who thinks that a GTS could beat a 3870x2. 2 8800gt's in SLI can't even beat a 3870x2. I think ppl should leave benchmarks alone & try the junk themselves. The world would be a better place

Crysis was just fecked up to run better on the G92. Tweak the cvars a little & that problem is gone as well.

The OC'd 9800 comes close but just OC the 3870x2 & you can throw that out the window too...

 

[jaydeejohn]

All this talk about shaders is interesting, but only maybe just half the story. The other half is the TMU's which has doubled. Then theres the GDDR5.....

 

[largon]

My post was directed at the poor soul Tropicocity who thinks that a GTS could beat a 3870x2. 2 8800gt's in SLI can't even beat a 3870x2.

Clearly, you have mistaken. G92GT SLi indeed beats HD3870X2 in almost all games at almost all settings/res. GT SLi wins 29/34 of all game tests in Anandtech's review (HD3870X2 w/ Cat 8.4).

Crysis was just fecked up to run better on the G92. Tweak the cvars a little & that problem is gone as well.

Same tweaks help G92.

 

[Hayder_Master]

i just want to see 4870 benchmark

 

[trt740]

that review is from jan 2008

Clearly, you have mistaken. G92GT SLi indeed beats HD3870X2 in almost all games at almost all settings/res. GT SLi wins 29/34 of all game tests in Anandtech's review (HD3870X2 w/ Cat 8.4).

Same tweaks help G92.

Thats several driver updates ago. The 3870x2 is much faster now.

 

[Megasty]

Clearly, you have mistaken. G92GT SLi indeed beats HD3870X2 in almost all games at almost all settings/res. GT SLi wins 29/34 of all game tests in Anandtech's review (HD3870X2 w/ Cat 8.4).

Same tweaks help G92.

Benchmarks again :shadedshu

I ran 2 GTs for 2 months b4 the 3870x2

 

[Mussels]

ATI is going to delay the launch of its ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB GDDR3 cards a bit to June 23th.

June 23th.

23th.

psst, its 23rd.