2.93 GHz Nehalem Derivative Presented

[WarEagleAU]

Exactly, so now it should really crush AMDs chips. It took this route by AMD to emerge as the better chip. Then Intel pulled a switch and brought out and old Architecture in a new suit and viola, trumped AMDs chips. I know AMD will bring out better chips, but they are seriously lagging on it. I dont need them to be the performance crown. I love their price to performance ration...but when Intel is kicking ass with a cheap proc that ocs like mad, kind of makes me wonder why Im still with them. Im one of the biggest AMD fanbois too, which makes it hard for me to type this up .

The only good thing AMD has left is its socket life. Sure the DDR3 will have a new board and chipset, but at least new procs coming out can use older sockets (like AM2/AM2+). This new chip will need a new chipset and highly doubtful its backwards compatible.

 

[farlex85]

Thanks!
Other than the RAM which this "new" chipset removes the bottle neck of, isn't the N/S Bridges and Video run through the FSB? So it still could be considered a bottle neck it just has one less thing running through it. I understand that for pure computation this is a massive improvement but on the other hand many of us are looking at graphics/game performance impacts.

No, the rest of the system moves through the quick path interconnect, which works differently than the fsb, although I couldn't tell you exactly how. The memory is handled through a ddr3 controller. Here's fsb, here's nehalem (a little more detailed on the ladder obviously, but should illustrate it). QPI is replacing FSB, and it should if all goes according to plan, positively affect all aspects of the comp's performance.

 

[spy2520]

Tha Good at the bottom isnt from their conroe line up. So I highly doubt its better than similar AMD chips at that price.

the celerons are conroe chips, and i believe the pentium dual-cores are just dual core celerons. I'm actually running a conroe-L celeron (single core) on this machine, and it runs superpi 15s faster with stock voltage and 750Mhz less than my pentium-D. definitely not the same.

 

[farlex85]

the celerons are conroe chips, and i believe the pentium dual-cores are just dual core celerons. I'm actually running a conroe-L celeron (single core) on this machine, and it runs superpi 15s faster with stock voltage and 750Mhz less than my pentium-D. definitely not the same.

The dual-cores are the allendales (2xxx,4xxx), and celerons are in there too. Most conroes were in the better category, before being replaced by the wolfies.

 

[spy2520]

single core celerons are conroe-Ls. I see it looks like all the dual-cores (pentium and celeron) are allendales though.

 

[Mussels]

technically AMD chips dont use an FSB anymore either, once you integrate the memory controller you just dont need it.

That said, they do have a clockgenerator filling in the purpose for deciding speed... everyone just calls it an FSB out of habit.

 

[Darkrealms]

No, the rest of the system moves through the quick path interconnect, which works differently than the fsb, although I couldn't tell you exactly how. The memory is handled through a ddr3 controller. Here's fsb, here's nehalem (a little more detailed on the ladder obviously, but should illustrate it). QPI is replacing FSB, and it should if all goes according to plan, positively affect all aspects of the comp's performance.

Thanks again for the clarification. Sorry couldn't open the picture of the nehalem. So that was what I was curious about. The nehalems basically remove the FSB as a useful piece. The originial artical was talking about the RAM portion but not the rest of the components. And in my mind that left a bottle neck for everything else still.

 

[farlex85]

Thanks again for the clarification. Sorry couldn't open the picture of the nehalem. So that was what I was curious about. The nehalems basically remove the FSB as a useful piece. The originial artical was talking about the RAM portion but not the rest of the components. And in my mind that left a bottle neck for everything else still.

Here try this. If the link for some reason doesn't work just look up nehalem on wiki, the picture is in there as well as a much more thorough explanation.

 

[Darkrealms]

Here try this. If the link for some reason doesn't work just look up nehalem on wiki, the picture is in there as well as a much more thorough explanation.

Thanks its just the picture extension that my system didn't recognize. The links were fine.
Here's one to the QuickPath Interconnect itself. I'll have to keep checking on it. I was hoping for more details on how it pathed everything.

 

[Morgoth]

old news allready know this for 4 months..