GPU PhysX Doesn't get you to 3DMark Vantage Hall of Fame Anymore

[Wile E]

Consider the chipset, and memory that you are using first. This RAM doesn't yield good memory performance; latencies are fairly high with rather weak read/write.

I take no offense, and in your case its different its like comparing apples to oranges.

Well, my system doesn't suffer from high latencies and low read/write speeds. But that's neither here nor there, I'm not speaking purely from my own personal experience. I'm speaking about the multitude of benchmarks available in the wild that do not support your claims. The only 2 exceptions are games like SupCom, and where your res is so low the gpu isn't fully stressed.

If you are running at that low of a res, your framerates are gonna be so high to start with, that the frames given by OCing your cpu won't be noticeable at all, unless you are specifically measuring them. AKA: Going from 200fps to 240fps.

 

[Hayder_Master]

ati cards now is very good and have high score in 3d mark , so nvidia find the weak point in vantage and they took it and develop software like hacking on 3d mark to increase the score , and we must not forget the 3d mark 2006 score Affected with high cpu , so it is weak point too

 

[Hayder_Master]

I think this is the latest Asus P1 and its PCI-e. The Asus P1 I have is PCI..


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121246

pci-e 1 , so that mean physics card don't take high bandwidth , but core speed run at 733

 

[tkpenalty]

Well, my system doesn't suffer from high latencies and low read/write speeds. But that's neither here nor there, I'm not speaking purely from my own personal experience. I'm speaking about the multitude of benchmarks available in the wild that do not support your claims. The only 2 exceptions are games like SupCom, and where your res is so low the gpu isn't fully stressed.

If you are running at that low of a res, your framerates are gonna be so high to start with, that the frames given by OCing your cpu won't be noticeable at all, unless you are specifically measuring them. AKA: Going from 200fps to 240fps.

I'm running at 1280x1024.

I see you're running at 1920x1200, and there ya go.

 

[Wile E]

I'm running at 1280x1024.

I see you're running at 1920x1200, and there ya go.

Even at 1280x1024, if you are cpu limited, your frames are so high that the OC will not make one iota of difference in playability.

To put it in perspective, even on my 6400+ X2 at 1440x900, there is no difference from 2-3.4Ghz. The cpu just doesn't play that important of a role in modern games.

 

[tkpenalty]

pci-e 1 , so that mean physics card don't take high bandwidth , but core speed run at 733

Clockspeed doesnt equal bandwidth therefore I doubt its anywhere near enough to saturate the PCI-E 1x bus. I honestly think that GPUs are better off for PhysX though... (not for benching; for real world) GPUs provide far more processing power in comparison to Dedicated PPUs and CPUs.

Just to remind you ladies and gentlemen, the PPU is technically a GPU that lacks output for Graphics.

Aegia really need to drop their manufacturing process of the PPU core.

 

[Millenia]

it tells which on is better because this card that i have does physx and amd's cards don't, which is not my problem, i pay foir performance and my 2 8800gts's beat out most crossfire 4870??

It doesn't really reflect a realistic scenario since the physics test is meant for the CPU and the GPU is just idle..

It's not like you can have free physics calculation when you're actually PLAYING something

 

[Wile E]

It doesn't really reflect a realistic scenario since the physics test is meant for the CPU and the GPU is just idle..

It's not like you can have free physics calculation when you're actually PLAYING something

But then again, I thought that wasn't the case on the G200 series cards. I was under the impression that they had a dedicated section of the gpu that does no gfx processing, and is dedicated entirely to CUDA.

 

[Wshlist]

Daft

The whole thing is a bit daft since they themselves put in the PhysX test, and use it while not rendering graphics, and it took them long enough to get the benchmark software out so they had plenty of time to think about it.
So what they are saying is that their 3dmark is flawed, but if that's so their solution should be to fix it with a patch that does the physx test WITH graphics I'd say, and release a few apologies for being so stupid in their original design.

Incidentally I never tried vantage (I avoided vista so far) but in the 2006 CPU bench there are graphics during the test of the CPU, low res but still, so if vantage doesn't have graphics during the CPU/PhysX test as I read here it means they actually deliberately made the test worse, and now moan about themselves, pfft.

 

[Wile E]

The whole thing is a bit daft since they themselves put in the PhysX test, and use it while not rendering graphics, and it took them long enough to get the benchmark software out so they had plenty of time to think about it.
So what they are saying is that their 3dmark is flawed, but if that's so their solution should be to fix it with a patch that does the physx test WITH graphics I'd say, and release a few apologies for being so stupid in their original design.

Incidentally I never tried vantage (I avoided vista so far) but in the 2006 CPU bench there are graphics during the test of the CPU, low res but still, so if vantage doesn't have graphics during the CPU/PhysX test as I read here it means they actually deliberately made the test worse, and now moan about themselves, pfft.

There are gfx during the test. Just nothing that will stress a gpu, just like the cpu tests in 06.

 

[Wshlist]

There are gfx during the test. Just nothing that will stress a gpu, just like the cpu tests in 06.

Oh I see, so they think it's a cheat because the GPU can't be used if it were to have to do PhysX AND graphics at the same time, although with the processing power of the current and future GPU's you must wonder if there isn't room to spare for doing both, but I guess you'd have to have a fair test for that.

 

[Wile E]

Oh I see, so they think it's a cheat because the GPU can't be used if it were to have to do PhysX AND graphics at the same time, although with the processing power of the current and future GPU's you must wonder if there isn't room to spare for doing both.

That's what I figure. I know that the G200 cards have a reserved area for only CUDA. But people are complaining because the whole gpu is being used to process the physx in the test, instead of the same amount that would be used during normal gaming.

 

[Wshlist]

Understood.