ZOTAC Watercools GeForce 9800 GTX+ , Names it ZONE Edition

[robspierre6]

It's easy to find some reviews that suit your/mine/anybody's argument.....so if you call Legit NVidiaview then I suppose you would call the ones you linked what? Here is one from BJorn3d....kinda says the same as Legit........

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1297&pageID=5020

As I said, reviews use different settings, different CPU's at different speeds and as importantly....different resolutions so you will always get some that say different, point is, the GTX+ does beat the 4850 in most things....not all, and not by all reviewers, it just depends what CPU and screen res you are running it at I suppose.

Bjorn3d.com ?
why not tomshardware or techreport.where the 4850 is 5% slower than the 260gtx and the 4870 beats the 280gtx in 5 out of 7 games?
nvidia is a well know cheater.their propaganda is cheap and disgusting.they pay sites to destroy AMD's cards.I have the 4870 and it's twice as fast as my 8800gt.
i trust sites with reasonable numbers and well known reputation.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Bjorn3d.com ?
why not tomshardware or techreport.where the 4850 is 5% slower than the 260gtx and the 4870 beats the 280gtx in 5 out of 7 games?
nvidia is a well know cheater.their propaganda is cheap and disgusting.they pay sites to destroy AMD's cards.I have the 4870 and it's twice as fast as my 8800gt.
i trust sites with reasonable numbers and well known reputation.

Yes I looked at Toms as well, my point is there are LOADS of sites that say the GTX+ is faster so which are right and which are wrong? you choose to beleive some because they clearly tell you what you want to hear as you have made it pretty obvious that you dont like NVidia....thats your choice....I have no preference, all I am saying is that reviews dont always make FACT and plenty of reviews seem to say the opposite of what you choose to read.....probably because what you choose to read is all you want to hear......I just try to be a little more subjective is all........at the end of the day, I dont have both cards so I dont know which is faster at the resolutions I play.

 

[robspierre6]

Yes I looked at Toms as well, my point is there are LOADS of sites that say the GTX+ is faster so which are right and which are wrong? you choose to beleive some because they clearly tell you what you want to hear as you have made it pretty obvious that you dont like NVidia....thats your choice....I have no preference, all I am saying is that reviews dont always make FACT and plenty of reviews seem to say the opposite of what you choose to read.....probably because what you choose to read is all you want to hear......I just try to be a little more subjective is all........at the end of the day, I dont have both cards so I dont know which is faster at the resolutions I play.

No,you're wrong.i dont believe what i want.I believe what i consider reasonable.
Im no nvidia hater.I have a 8800gt.I paid an extra 40$ to get the 8800gt over the 3870.
And guess what.. my brother's 3870 is actually as fast as ny 8800gt,even faster in some games.With much better quality.
There's a big F*ing propaganda going on out there.It's not marketing anymore,it's .....
What to call it???
It's not just tomshardware,you can check techreport or anandtech too.you'll get pretty close results.

 

[DrPepper]

christ you sound like there is a big graphics card conspiracy going on, anyway 8800GT was cheaper than a 3870 most of the time and most people had nvidia chipsets at the time and bought two of them. Hence why nvidia gained a huge amount of profit, that and the 8800 ultra that was like £700.

 

[erocker]

This thread stays on topic now, or infrctions will be dished out. This thread has absolutely nothing to do with ati.

 

[DrPepper]

I got carried away there :shadedshu Anyway I hate when they release cards like this because it makes me want to get watercooling so I can get one

 

[thoughtdisorder]

Yep, but like I stated before, IMO this setup is for people who like "sexy" in their machines but don't have a clue what they can really do or not do with the HW. Fatality comes to mind as well as a few others. Interesting news, makes me think some of us could certainly profit with our skills if we could find a niche.

 

[DrPepper]

I would get 3 of those simply because they looked nice

 

[Mussels]

I would get 3 of those simply because they looked nice

i hope you got 3x120mm exhausts for the fans, lol.

 

[DrPepper]

i hope you got 3x120mm exhausts for the fans, lol.

I haz alot o sellotape and 5 120 mm's

Edit: I'm going to add them all on using tape only for a laugh will be posting pictures today hopefully.

 

[Tatty_Two]

No,you're wrong.i dont believe what i want.I believe what i consider reasonable.
Im no nvidia hater.I have a 8800gt.I paid an extra 40$ to get the 8800gt over the 3870.
And guess what.. my brother's 3870 is actually as fast as ny 8800gt,even faster in some games.With much better quality.
There's a big F*ing propaganda going on out there.It's not marketing anymore,it's .....
What to call it???
It's not just tomshardware,you can check techreport or anandtech too.you'll get pretty close results.

OK, lets say I am wrong, so you dont choose to "cherry pick" what reviews you beleive and what you dont?, would you like me to link you some more reviews that suggest contrary to your belief?

My only point here is that in early posts you accused some people of being NVidia fanbois (perhaps they were) but you are hardly being subjective which leads to some people thinking you are an ATi fanboi (whether you are or not is not my concern), IMO, all the good stuff you may have posted on the TOPIC of this thread is diluted as soon as anyone appears to be acting like a fanboi.....because all the other non fanboi members beleive that what is being said is not based on fact but single minded blindness........if you get my meaning.............so I am not saying your wrong, I am saying that by saying it in the way you have can lead people to beleive your wrong......

As for the off topic 3870/8800GT thing (sorry ERocker!)........I owned both an 8800GT and HD3870 for 2 months and bought each of them the week they were released.......I genuinly saw no IQ differences whatsover (but I am old so my eyesight may be going) and whilst there certainly were some games the 3870 was faster in, most games were dominated by the 8800GT........but IMO both damn good cards at release.

 

[Bjorn_Of_Iceland]

Dont mess with the Zotac ^^

 

[DarkMatter]

Well put Tatty. And don't worry you are right.

Sorry Rob, but it just happens that Techreport, Anand and Tom's are the first sites where I look for reviews, primarily because they are a lot (many many times) faster than Wizz (sorry Wizz ). But I look at around 15 sites more too. I suppose that means those 3 are the ones I prefer. In no way their reviews reflect what you are saying. HD4850 IS faster than the GTX, but not by as much as you want to believe, the GTX+ trades blows but I suppose is a little bit slower overall. And what about Crysis? What were you smoking dude? I have to agree with Tattly here, you only see/hear what you want to see, because you are clearly biased my friend.

All in all, I too think that for the price the HD is the better buy right now, but that doesn't mean the G92 cards are crap, obsolete ar anything similar. Buying one GTX because it is cheaper than the HD won't hurt at all, for example. Choice, that is what we want.

On topic. I also think that watercooling this card is not the better thing ZOtac has made. First of all it won't make it run a lot faster (with that WC solution I mean), nor a lot quieter than with a good air cooler.

Then, it's just a card that is going to be replaced by better ones very soon. IMO 55nm GT200 will be "dangerously" close in price, while being broadly faster. If not the GTX 260b itself, some kind of spiritual sucessor to the 256mb 8800 GT or the GS, with the added relevance that crippling the GT200 further below the GTX260 (448 bit, 896 MB) won't have the same (bad) effect as crippling the G92 GT. Maybe even a 9600 GT sucessor could be a real killer, even more so than the 9600 GT itself.
And finally, because it's a fixed and independent WC solution, it can be hard to fit in a case that already has WC.

 

[Mussels]

buying two 8800GT's and vmodding them would end up really awesome in speed too... and passively with an S1.

There are always options, dictated by local price - you can argue all you want that one card is 5% faster or 10% faster, but if its 50% more expensive at your favourite e-tailer, you know you dont give a damn,

 

[zithe]

dx 10.1 bwahahahaha and at dx 10 in general

When there's something useful, let me know. Tessellation has two Ls and won't be important for a little while, I feel. Just like "OMGZ it haz dx10.1 that runs slower and looks the same as 9 OMGZ it's teh awesome". Get off M$'s cock.

Grammar doesn't display intelligence. I'd suggest you learn that now and stop arguing with him. It gets rather annoying when all you do is mock his words when your grammar isn't much better. Profanity doesn't make you sound like you know what you're talking about either...

You have several "Thank you's". You got them from being KIND and HELPFUL, not arguing. If you believe someone to be a fool don't "lower yourself to their level". Get your point across as best as possible in one post. If they continue, ignore them.


This card sounds like a good idea. Hopefully it isn't a heck of a lot more expensive than the regular 9800gtx+. We can safely say it will be...

 

[robspierre6]

Well put Tatty. And don't worry you are right.

Sorry Rob, but it just happens that Techreport, Anand and Tom's are the first sites where I look for reviews, primarily because they are a lot (many many times) faster than Wizz (sorry Wizz ). But I look at around 15 sites more too. I suppose that means those 3 are the ones I prefer. In no way their reviews reflect what you are saying. HD4850 IS faster than the GTX, but not by as much as you want to believe, the GTX+ trades blows but I suppose is a little bit slower overall. And what about Crysis? What were you smoking dude? I have to agree with Tattly here, you only see/hear what you want to see, because you are clearly biased my friend.

All in all, I too think that for the price the HD is the better buy right now, but that doesn't mean the G92 cards are crap, obsolete ar anything similar. Buying one GTX because it is cheaper than the HD won't hurt at all, for example. Choice, that is what we want.

On topic. I also think that watercooling this card is not the better thing ZOtac has made. First of all it won't make it run a lot faster (with that WC solution I mean), nor a lot quieter than with a good air cooler.

Then, it's just a card that is going to be replaced by better ones very soon. IMO 55nm GT200 will be "dangerously" close in price, while being broadly faster. If not the GTX 260b itself, some kind of spiritual sucessor to the 256mb 8800 GT or the GS, with the added relevance that crippling the GT200 further below the GTX260 (448 bit, 896 MB) won't have the same (bad) effect as crippling the G92 GT. Maybe even a 9600 GT sucessor could be a real killer, even more so than the 9600 GT itself.
And finally, because it's a fixed and independent WC solution, it can be hard to fit in a case that already has WC.

dear dark,i accept what i consider rasonable numbers.
I have the HD4870 and i know how it performs.Crysis?what about it.
It works pretty well on my card.
I simply don't believe any review.
techreport,tomshardware,anandtech,expreview....do have some reasonable numbers.
talking about the new g200 series,if there's gonna be any g200.cuz i believe producing cards like breeding rabbits is the only way to steel lights and hide the miserable situation nvidia's in.
Faulty chips in both mobile and desktop areas.their probem with nehalem license are two major problems nvidia has to encounter now.
about those spec. you're talking about,it's not about how much bandwidth or on board ram you have.its about how much processing power "number of constructions a gpu can achieve in a single clock" you can put on a die.
Shrinking the die wont be that effective it will allow you to clock your shaders and logic core at higher frequencies.
But,how much higher?
Compare the 9800gtx+ to the 9800gtx,the 9800gtx+ is about 5% faster than the 9800gtx in the best cases.
What ATI did is a true achievement.ATI put 800 stream cores on a 234mm die with
1200 Gigaflops/cycle of processing power vs 240 cores on 578mm, with 933 Gigaflops/cycle for nvidia's 280gtx.
This time ATI has much better architecture than nvidia.maybe,next round nvidia will come up with a better arch.
believing that one comapany will always have the best is iilogical.

 

[thoughtdisorder]

^Maybe I'm confused, but I thought this thread was about ZOTAC GeForce 9800 GTX+ ZONE Edition. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

 

[DrPepper]

Oh dear its off topic again I would stop trolling people or erocker will be back. Does anyone think this would be a decent buy over a normal stock version ?

 

[PrudentPrincess]

Oh dear its off topic again I would stop trolling people or erocker will be back. Does anyone think this would be a decent buy over a normal stock version ?

No. I'm saying this because its a dual slot card and while it may offer superior cooling to the stock air version, the 9800GTX+ runs cooler than the 9800gtx and you should be able to overclock well on air with a little fan tweaking. I'm sure that if you ever get a CPU water cooling setup you'll regret getting the standalone w/c system, because buying a block for your card would have performed better. (you can take the radiator off this card, but whats the point if its dual slot?)
Hope this helps.

 

[DrPepper]

No. I'm saying this because its a dual slot card and while it may offer superior cooling to the stock air version, the 9800GTX+ runs cooler than the 9800gtx and you should be able to overclock well on air with a little fan tweaking. I'm sure that if you ever get a CPU water cooling setup you'll regret getting the standalone w/c system, because buying a block for your card would have performed better. (you can take the radiator off this card, but whats the point if its dual slot?)
Hope this helps.

I see where your coming from I wonder why its dual slot

 

[PrudentPrincess]

I see where your coming from I wonder why its dual slot

Probably cheaper (as far as production) to leave the vent on. I doubt the block needs to be dual slot. If you took it off you would have to replace it with a single one, they're pinching pennies.

 

[Wile E]

No,you're wrong.i dont believe what i want.I believe what i consider reasonable.
Im no nvidia hater.I have a 8800gt.I paid an extra 40$ to get the 8800gt over the 3870.
And guess what.. my brother's 3870 is actually as fast as ny 8800gt,even faster in some games.With much better quality.

No it isn't. The 8800GT is faster than the 3870 in most everything.

dear dark,i accept what i consider rasonable numbers.
I have the HD4870 and i know how it performs.Crysis?what about it.
It works pretty well on my card.
I simply don't believe any review.
techreport,tomshardware,anandtech,expreview....do have some reasonable numbers.
talking about the new g200 series,if there's gonna be any g200.cuz i believe producing cards like breeding rabbits is the only way to steel lights and hide the miserable situation nvidia's in.
Faulty chips in both mobile and desktop areas.their probem with nehalem license are two major problems nvidia has to encounter now.
about those spec. you're talking about,it's not about how much bandwidth or on board ram you have.its about how much processing power "number of constructions a gpu can achieve in a single clock" you can put on a die.
Shrinking the die wont be that effective it will allow you to clock your shaders and logic core at higher frequencies.
But,how much higher?
Compare the 9800gtx+ to the 9800gtx,the 9800gtx+ is about 5% faster than the 9800gtx in the best cases.
What ATI did is a true achievement.ATI put 800 stream cores on a 234mm die with
1200 Gigaflops/cycle of processing power vs 240 cores on 578mm, with 933 Gigaflops/cycle for nvidia's 280gtx.
This time ATI has much better architecture than nvidia.maybe,next round nvidia will come up with a better arch.
believing that one comapany will always have the best is iilogical.

it doesn't matter how many stream processors a card has, or how big the die is, or how many gigaflops a card has. All that matters is how it performs, and nVidia's 280 outperforms the 4870 is most games.

Now, is that performance worth the price difference? No, not in my case. I'd still rather have the 4870, or even better, a couple 4870X2's. (But keep in mind, I'm on a Crossfire compatible platform. If I had an SLI platform, I'd be looking at 280's.)



Now, back on topic: This card doesn't really impress me. I'm not a fan of these self contained h2o solutions. I'd rather just build my own proper loop for it.

 

[erocker]

On topic please.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

On topic please.

someone saw that coming...course at least they're talking about video cards and technically ati's 4850 is THE direct competitor at this price point to the 9800gtx+ so it is relevant...

Not quite like if I just blurted out "hey, what do you guys think of Paul Pierce's comment about him being the best basketball player on earth not Kobe to a Spanish reporter?" Now THAT is off topic, as well as wrong game too