Phenom FX in the Works, AMD to take Another shot at...Kentsfield

[Tatty_Two]

I want to beleive this..........I hope it's true.......I fear it isnt............... When Intel reduced their fabrication process to 45nm from 65nm on their quads, the TDP went from 95W .......to ........... 95W!!

Then again, what do I know? I just wont hold me breath.....cause I dont like turning purple!

 

[candle_86]

intel sucks at shrinking the TDP didnt change from the northwood to the cedar mill

 

[Tatty_Two]

intel sucks at shrinking the TDP didnt change from the northwood to the cedar mill

Well that was a while ago, and it's just like saying AMD/ATi were the first to go 55nm on their GPU's, dont mean a lot if they give out more heat than the 65nm opposition

 

[cdawall]

I want to beleive this..........I hope it's true.......I fear it isnt............... When Intel reduced their fabrication process to 45nm from 65nm on their quads, the TDP went from 95W .......to ........... 95W!!

Then again, what do I know? I just wont hold me breath.....cause I dont like turning purple!

intel has also publicly said AMD has a better process so much so that intel never could have done something as complex as phenom on 65nm.

also look at AMD's die shrinks now 130nm 2ghz=90w 90nm 2.8ghz=90w 65nm 2.8ghz DC=65w 2.5ghz QC=125w

so it is possible for a huge TDP drop to happen

 

[Tatty_Two]

intel has also publicly said AMD has a better process so much so that intel never could have done something as complex as phenom on 65nm.

also look at AMD's die shrinks now 130nm 2ghz=90w 90nm 2.8ghz=90w 65nm 2.8ghz DC=65w 2.5ghz QC=125w

so it is possible for a huge TDP drop to happen

I agree, my point is tho, recent history would suggest that with that TDP drop doesent come the lower thermal benefits which kind of defeats the object, if they can really produce a 45nm chip that stocks at 4.4gig on air then I am buying one! but TBH.....I have my reservations......we will see.

 

[garagetinkerer]

yehaaa

I agree, my point is tho, recent history would suggest that with that TDP drop doesent come the lower thermal benefits which kind of defeats the object, if they can really produce a 45nm chip that stocks at 4.4gig on air then I am buying one! but TBH.....I have my reservations......we will see.

TDP of Intel may have something to do with the huge quantities of L2 chache that we see nowadays. AMD has about HALF the size of cache on its processors(Deneb 8MB in total or so with the largest size of cache) when comparing to a Yorkfield quad with about 14 MB of cache.

check the link i found... preview for a deneb early engineering samples(could be fake... don't stone me to death yet)

http://nl.babelfish.yahoo.com/trans...doc/hard/79405.htm&lp=zt_en&btnTrUrl=Vertalen

i think it will be better if someone can translate all the jibberish in english from the native page on the hardspell.com

 

[Tatty_Two]

TDP of Intel may have something to do with the huge quantities of L2 chache that we see nowadays. AMD has about HALF the size of cache on its processors(Deneb 8MB in total or so with the largest size of cache) when comparing to a Yorkfield quad with about 14 MB of cache.

check the link i found... preview for a deneb early engineering samples(could be fake... don't stone me to death yet)

http://nl.babelfish.yahoo.com/trans...doc/hard/79405.htm&lp=zt_en&btnTrUrl=Vertalen

i think it will be better if someone can translate all the jibberish in english from the native page on the hardspell.com

Denebs 8MB to Yorkfields 12MB, but as the title of this thread says "Another shot at Kensfield" (hopefully not as they are a generation old) Kentsfield was 8MB L2 cache.......TDP rating is fairly closely linked with stock speeds and Vid which is why you would expect a HUGE TDP for a stock of 4.4gig so if AMD really have pulled this off it truly is amazing!.............. all credit to them.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

I did glean this from that link-

Our test already proved that 45nm Phenom may save near 40W under the full-load conditions compared to 65nm Phenom the power loss, scope close half, this result is very satisfying.

Sorry if the english is bad,its from the translated link,last page.

 

[bigtye]

Some of the results Kei (and others) are posting here at TPU in the underclocking/volting 9850 thread indicates that phenom is capable of some wierd stuff.

His overclocked results with undervolted cpu suggest the phenom is capable of more than mainstream setups have been getting out of it. Granted his top cpu speed isn't extraordinary, but the voltage he achieves these results at is far far better than stock.

Tye

 

[blueskynis]

Advanced Micro Devices plans to announce its first desktop microprocessors produced using 45nm process technology on the 8th of January, 2009, the first day of Consumer Electronics Show. The code-named Deneb chips will not get truly high clock-speed boost, but will be able to offer substantially higher performance thanks to larger cache and architectural improvements.

The first desktop processors from AMD made using 45nm process technology will be AMD Phenom X4 chips clocked at 2.80GHz and 3.00GHz, sources familiar with AMD’s plans said. The new processors will support both DDR2 and DDR3 memory, but since the initial chips will be available in socket AM2+ form-factor, the chips will have to rely on dual-channel DDR2 PC2-8500 (1066MHz DDR2) memory.

Link: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...Set_to_Arrive_on_the_8th_of_January_2009.html

no 4 and 4.4GHz

 

[H82LUZ73]

this was the first post on the cpu below (awesome check it - dated from 21st aug 2008)
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17910794&page=1

the motherboards that support it it that i found in one search
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-016-FC

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showp...770 (Socket AM2) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard


the phenom 65nm has reached 4+ghz by a German over clocker (currently amd record for quad core) so wont be a problem for 45nm deneb

Actually this board is the only one for 45nm http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-254-AS&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=808&name=Asus%20M3A32-MVP%20Deluxe%20AMD%20790FX%20(Socket%20AM2)%20PCI-Express%20DDR2%20Motherboard has to do with the 8+2 power phase ...

Also add the M3A78-T and the Sept-Oct release of the M3A79-T (above board with SB750)

 

[springs113]

you guys are forgetting that this is not about the regular denebs....its the fx...presumably the top of the line... ie..qx6700 is not q6700...please read the title again phenom(deneb) fx...not phenom(deneb) x4

 

[H82LUZ73]

you guys are forgetting that this is not about the regular denebs....its the fx...presumably the top of the line... ie..qx6700 is not q6700...please read the title again phenom(deneb) fx...not phenom(deneb) x4

So what was the difference between the X64 and FX ??? other then a high price and oh wait unlocked Multiply... was the same as the Black Editions......at a lower price and those are what we are talking about.

 

[btarunr]

Nothing, they're just Denebs with unlocked multipliers, possibly binned.

 

[springs113]

i never really said there were architectural differences, im just saying they are different...not saying that you cant get a deneb that can act as a fx...meaning remember the days of the a64 venice cores...i had a 3000+ clocked that bastard to 2.8 easily on the intel side the e6300... basically like the specially binned 4870s ....so are the fx's

 

[Deleted member 24505]

My E6300 was special see sig.

I guess we will have to wait and see if there will be an fx phenom.

 

[BvB123]

Link: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...Planned_for_September_Launch_Say_Sources.html

no 4 and 4.4GHz

3Ghz and a TDP of 125W.

btarunr i win

 

[jbunch07]

My E6300 was special see sig.

I guess we will have to wait and see if there will be an fx phenom.

Im sure there will be one, im not waiting so much on that, im waiting to see if they can deliver the claimed clocks and performance.

 

[intel igent]

it's about time AMd get the ball rolling again!

we've been waiting for this for a while now.....

 

[OCQuadNick]

All i have to say is, GO AMD W0000T

(Wonder if it will work on my Kna2plat)

 

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

soy is bad for you

 

[btarunr]

3Ghz and a TDP of 125W.

btarunr i win

Where does it say "Phenom FX" ? Where did I say Phenom FX comes out in September?

 

[zithe]

Looks like I'll finally go AMD next year.

 

[X1REME]

3Ghz and a TDP of 125W.

btarunr i win

Phenom 9950 + Foxconn's A79-S motheboard and powered by OCZ's 1000W PSU. = 4,050MHz

these are the OEM that will be 3.2 ghz but the mighty FX will be at least 1ghz higher, no doubt about it (4ghz)

the only doubt is the power it needs (1.168v or 1.475v) or maybe in between these figures.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17850&stc=1&d=1219952415

if you look at the revision, its old news and at least 5/6 months old, the recent is b1/c1/?

 

[X1REME]

the oem are supposed to come November (same as Intel i7) but the FX will be Jan/2009 unless AMD decide to do it the other way round (they will do same as the GPU, Deffo). There is no doubt gonna be a war this time round as amd lost the last ones and loosing this one could spell disaster for them and they would need to succeed 100% next time (2009/2010) or we will be stuck with Intel only and maybe a cut down version of amd to please the critics of a monopoly.