12700K vs 7600X3D

[Onyx Turbine]

I recently build a new system based upon lga 1700 with a 12700k. What slightly bothers me is the total overall energy consumption of the system.
Therefore, i would like to know your opinion if switching out the 12700k for a 7600X3D would make sense.
As i was surprised to see that both cpus have same idle power consumption (normally AMD is higher) but AMD wins big with power consumption when gaming,
which the system is also used for besides light office work.
It would also be nice if one could give its opinion about fps performance vs the 12700k

 

[oxrufiioxo]

They are probably close enough in most games that you'd have a hard time telling them apart but in MT task the 12700k will murder that 7600X3D so it's a trade off only likely you can answer.

What gpu and at what resolution you're gaming at would be helpful.

 

[Marcus L]

I recently build a new system based upon lga 1700 with a 12700k. What slightly bothers me is the total overall energy consumption of the system.
Therefore, i would like to know your opinion if switching out the 12700k for a 7600X3D would make sense.
As i was surprised to see that both cpus have same idle power consumption (normally AMD is higher) but AMD wins big with power consumption when gaming,
which the system is also used for besides light office work.
It would also be nice if one could give its opinion about fps performance vs the 12700k

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[Onyx Turbine]

They are probably close enough in most games that you'd have a hard time telling them apart but in MT task the 12700k will murder that 7600X3D so it's a trade off only likely you can answer.

What gpu and at what resolution you're gaming at would be helpful.

1440P with a 4070s, you think power consumption difference is not significant to warrant a switch?

They are probably close enough in most games that you'd have a hard time telling them apart but in MT task the 12700k will murder that 7600X3D so it's a trade off only likely you can answer.

What gpu and at what resolution you're gaming at would be helpful.

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Ok nice overview, what i could do is later put in a 14600K, is the 13th and 14 no longer affected from degradation issues?

 

[Marcus L]

1440P with a 4070s, you think power consumption difference is not significant to warrant a switch?






Ok nice overview, what i could do is later put in a 14600K, is the 13th and 14 no longer affected from degradation issues?

The issues have been fixed with microcode/BIOS updates, though would you still not have the issue of higher gaming power draw as that was the main reason you cited for changing to a 7600x3d, not sure if the 14600k is any more efficient and looking at TPU's own review(https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-14600k/22.html) it is right around the same usage as the 12700k though average gaming use is only 76w ofc this depends on the games you are playing and more CPU dependant ones will see your power usage go to 100w+ CP2077 is one, I was playing fortnite last nite and had not been on for a month or 2 (I only play it with the kids, it's not really my cup of tea lol) and in sx12 it had my 5700x pegged at 100% a lot of the time, maybe as it is running UE 5/5.5?

Point being you won't see lower power draw from upgrading to a a 14600k and the total performance upgrade is probably only 7-10%-/+ from a 12700k, personally both are fairly expensive options for what you want to do and I would likely just stick with the 12700k and maybe way down the line upgrade to a 14700k as a final hurrah for that platform which would represent a greater "upgrade" in gaming and productivity

 

[oxrufiioxo]

1440P with a 4070s, you think power consumption difference is not significant to warrant a switch?






Ok nice overview, what i could do is later put in a 14600K, is the 13th and 14 no longer affected from degradation issues?

The 7600X3D would consume less power but that would likely be the only noticeable benefit alternatively AM5 has a much better upgrade path than lga 1700 so that would be an added bonus but you would take a large MT Hit somthing like a R7 7700 might be a better middle ground.

The two cpu's you are asking about are quite different ones a decent all around cpu with meh power consumption in the 12700k and the other is targeted at gaming with decent efficiency in gaming.

The 12700k is solid and I wouldn't switch to raptor lake for a few years to make sure intel actually has it's shit together with degradation.

 

[Onyx Turbine]

The issues have been fixed with microcode/BIOS updates, though would you still not have the issue of higher gaming power draw as that was the main reason you cited for changing to a 7600x3d, not sure if the 14600k is any more efficient and looking at TPU's own review(https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i5-14600k/22.html) it is right around the same usage as the 12700k though average gaming use is only 76w ofc this depends on the games you are playing and more CPU dependant ones will see your power usage go to 100w+ CP2077 is one, I was playing fortnite last nite and had not been on for a month or 2 (I only play it with the kids, it's not really my cup of tea lol) and in sx12 it had my 5700x pegged at 100% a lot of the time, maybe as it is running UE 5/5.5?

Point being you won't see lower power draw from upgrading to a a 14600k and the total performance upgrade is probably only 7-10%-/+ from a 12700k, personally both are fairly expensive options for what you want to do and I would likely just stick with the 12700k and maybe way down the line upgrade to a 14700k as a final hurrah for that platform which would represent a greater "upgrade" in gaming and productivity

Ok, you mention a 14700k why not totally max a 14900KS?

The 7600X3D would consume less power but that would likely be the only noticeable benefit alternatively AM5 has a much better upgrade path than lga 1700 so that would be an added bonus but you would take a large MT Hit somthing like a R7 7700 might be a better middle ground.

The two cpu's you are asking about are quite different ones a decent all around cpu with meh power consumption in the 12700k and the other is targeted at gaming with decent efficiency in gaming.

The 12700k is solid and I wouldn't switch to raptor lake for a few years to make sure intel actually has it's shit together with degradation.

Ok will not switch to raptor lake anytime soon, how bad when especially now a high end chip INTEL gets broken. The 7600X3D and its power consumption seems tempting,
although reading people having stability issues with it and lacking behing in cpu heavy games like warhammer or starfield like game (which in case of a future new release ETW2) would be played a lot

 

[dirtyferret]

It would also be nice if one could give its opinion about fps performance vs the 12700k

can't without the rest of your system and use
light office work you won't notice any difference and power would be marginal
is the 12700k using DDR4 or DDR5 RAM? what kind of GPU, monitor and refresh rate? what kind of games and performance are you looking for?
personally, the 12700k is still a very good CPU so I would hold off unless you were chasing high FPS and going from a DDR4 to DDR5 platform and had a GPU and monitor that could show off those high FPS numbers

 

[Onyx Turbine]

can't without the rest of your system and use
light office work you won't notice any difference and power would be marginal
is the 12700k using DDR4 or DDR5 RAM? what kind of GPU, monitor and refresh rate? what kind of games and performance are you looking for?
personally, the 12700k is still a very good CPU so I would hold off unless you were chasing high FPS and going from a DDR4 to DDR5 platform and had a GPU and monitor that could show off those high FPS numbers

its using ddr5, 4070s, monitor is 180 hz 1440p running on 60fps most of time only 180fps when playing apex or so

 

[dirtyferret]

lacking behing in cpu heavy games like warhammer or starfield like game (which in case of a future new release ETW2) would be played a lot

it's in german but you can look at the chart and the 7600X3D handles starfield no problem

its using ddr5, 4070s, monitor is 180 hz 1440p running on 60fps most of time only 180fps when playing apex or so

no reason to upgrade in my honest opinion

 

[oxrufiioxo]

its using ddr5, 4070s, monitor is 180 hz 1440p running on 60fps most of time only 180fps when playing apex or so

Unless it's costing you 0 $$$ to make the switch and power consumption and gaming performance is all you care about it isn't worth it.

 

[nomdeplume]

Buyers remorse doesn't change the fact you should underclock and switch power profiles in OS to optimize power use. Tune and optimize is the reality you need to accept regardless of hardware platform.

 

[Onyx Turbine]

it's in german but you can look at the chart and the 7600X3D handles starfield no problem


no reason to upgrade in my honest opinion

yes there is other chart which shows this cpu behind 12700k with starfield and warhammer but ahead in plenty of others

Unless it's costing you 0 $$$ to make the switch and power consumption and gaming performance is all you care about it isn't worth it.

got it will see what i can do, another reason to do is i fell in trap assuming platinum psu is good for low loads and find out the fractal psu i very much not that efficient on low loads.

what interests me also is anyone your opinion about cooling the 12700k the cpu is cooled with a noctua d15s this runs incredible silent most of time. But lets say
when playing a game like squad with 100fps i had to scale back to 60fps as the cpu cooler went crazy, would an aio waco be quieter?
Also would the 7600x3d generate less heat and potentially be cooler?

Buyers remorse doesn't change the fact you should underclock and switch power profiles in OS to optimize power use. Tune and optimize is the reality you need to accept regardless of hardware platform.

the amd cpu idle baffles me, combined with its price to performance

 

[oxrufiioxo]

yes there is other chart which shows this cpu behind 12700k with starfield and warhammer but ahead in plenty of others


got it will see what i can do, another reason to do is i fell in trap assuming platinum psu is good for low loads and find out the fractal psu i very much not that efficient on low loads.

what interests me also is anyone your opinion about cooling the 12700k the cpu is cooled with a noctua d15s this runs incredible silent most of time. But lets say
when playing a game like squad with 100fps i had to scale back to 60fps as the cpu cooler went crazy, would an aio waco be quieter?
Also would the 7600x3d generate less heat and potentially be cooler?


the amd cpu idle baffles me, combined with its price to performance

I'm not sure going from 60w to 80-100w in gaming would be noticeable depends on ambient temp I guess.

Amd cpu use chiplets and the I/O die is always active its a trade off with the design.

The actual temps the cpus run at are irrelevant as long as they are not throttling.

You can set up a less aggressive fan curve with the 12700k and see how it behaves.

 

[Marcus L]

yes there is other chart which shows this cpu behind 12700k with starfield and warhammer but ahead in plenty of others


got it will see what i can do, another reason to do is i fell in trap assuming platinum psu is good for low loads and find out the fractal psu i very much not that efficient on low loads.

what interests me also is anyone your opinion about cooling the 12700k the cpu is cooled with a noctua d15s this runs incredible silent most of time. But lets say
when playing a game like squad with 100fps i had to scale back to 60fps as the cpu cooler went crazy, would an aio waco be quieter?
Also would the 7600x3d generate less heat and potentially be cooler?


the amd cpu idle baffles me, combined with its price to performance

Set up a fan curve in the bios, mine is pretty silent until CPU hits 70c then scales slowly and I have a TR Peerless Assassin with the original fans, am sure they can get louder than those Noctua ones if I let it do it's own thing.

 

[Onyx Turbine]

I'm not sure going from 60w to 80-100w in gaming would be noticeable depends on ambient temp I guess.

Amd cpu use chiplets and the I/O die is always active its a trade off with the design.

The actual temps the cpus run at are irrelevant as long as they are not throttling.

You can set up a less aggressive fan curve with the 12700k and see how it behaves.

i tried doing that but a big flaw of the system not being able to foresee is that the mobo has only 3 fan controls and i have no aio, it has by default 2 fans and 1 aio control
its asus and it not lets me regulate the fans perfectly, another reason for me to switch from this system which is mini itx to an atx

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I mean it seems like you have a lot of reasons you want to make a switch for gaming it's not a bad switch and power consumption will be lower. The actual cpu temp will probably be the same if not slightly higher on the Ryzen system but actual cpu temp has 0 to do with how much heat is put into the room only how much wattage it's actually consuming.

7600x3d/7700/9600X would all get the job done I'd go with whatever is the cheapest if you do make the switch just make sure to get 6000 CL30 expo memory with the non X3D chips although I'd still pair the X3D chips with that also.

 

[nomdeplume]

another reason for me to switch from this system which is mini itx to an atx

Sounds like you did yourself dirty not being fully aware what you were buying. iTX is as at least desirable to many. Which could allow some trading or marginal loss compared to new prices.

Temps and power use are going to scare you even on ATX. Unavoidable tradeoff is letting hardware life dissipate from heat or deal with fan noise. AIO aren't an easy out here because the heat is impossible to transfer properly.

Take a breather and do some research. Suggestion worth considering here is replace only mobo, case, and cooling. Be patient and shop smart. Least of your concerns is .0004 of your lowest coin currency yearly difference between your Platinum PSU and something else.

 

[Onyx Turbine]

I mean it seems like you have a lot of reasons you want to make a switch for gaming it's not a bad switch and power consumption will be lower. The actual cpu temp will probably be the same if not slightly higher on the Ryzen system but actual cpu temp has 0 to do with how much heat is put into the room only how much wattage it's actually consuming.

7600x3d/7700/9600X would all get the job done I'd go with whatever is the cheapest if you do make the switch just make sure to get 6000 CL30 expo memory with the non X3D chips although I'd still pair the X3D chips with that also.

Low idle power consumption is wished i assume the 7600x3d is the better chip of the three?

Sounds like you did yourself dirty not being fully aware what you were buying. iTX is as at least desirable to many. Which could allow some trading or marginal loss compared to new prices.

Temps and power use are going to scare you even on ATX. Unavoidable tradeoff is letting hardware life dissipate from heat or deal with fan noise. AIO aren't an easy out here because the heat is impossible to transfer properly.

Take a breather and do some research. Suggestion worth considering here is replace only mobo, case, and cooling. Be patient and shop smart. Least of your concerns is .0004 of your lowest coin currency yearly difference between your Platinum PSU and something else.

The asus Mobo is as such a slight disappointment, because why they assume a mini itx build has 2 fans and always an aio?
To be clear one fan in the back, one in the front and the cpu cooler (fan)

One big plus is the system runs stable, although with amd news it has convinced me to look at amd

 

[Belle]

I think there is no reason to upgrade in my opinion. 13rd gen and 14th gen Intel processors even use more power under full load. BIOS updates provide help against degradation but some users have had other stability problems and damage done can't be undone... Never buy a used Raptor Lake.
Ryzen 7600X3D and other variants are the way to go when building a new system from the scratch. Intel processors like yours have a good power consumption under low and middle utilization.

 

[Onyx Turbine]

I think there is no reason to upgrade in my opinion. 13rd gen and 14th gen Intel processors even use more power under full load. BIOS updates provide help against degradation but some users have had other stability problems and damage done can't be undone... Never buy a used Raptor Lake.
Ryzen 7600X3D and other variants are the way to go when building a new system from the scratch. Intel processors like yours have a good power consumption under low and middle utilization.

Building a new system would indeed have as a prequisite that i can sell of current system without a huge loss, else it would be an utter net loss, as such i think i will keep current build.

 

[Belle]

The performance and efficiency gains would be too low to take that loss in my opinion, too.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

I was curious where 14700(non-k) performed, being a "65W" chip (rating is for the cooler supposedly), as it would be easier to cool than your 12700k, but I'm not sure if it even performs as well. I can't find a review though.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I was curious where 14700(non-k) performed, being a "65W" chip (rating is for the cooler supposedly), as it would be easier to cool than your 12700k, but I'm not sure if it even performs as well. I can't find a review though.

14700 non k is an OEM part.