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Team Group MP34Q 2 TB

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The Team Group MP34Q is a QLC-based M.2 NVMe SSD that uses the PCIe 3.0 interface, Phison's highly popular E12 controller, and 96-layer 3D QLC NAND from Micron. In our testing, we saw good performance results, but price/performance suffers due to the high price.

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QLC should never cost more than TLC.
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$300 for 2TB QLC and only has PCIe Gen3?? Just no.
 
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Why does doubling capacity on ssd always means more than double the price?
Im pretty sure manufacturing costs difference from 1TB to 2TB should be marginal, pcb and controller should remain the the same...
 
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Why does doubling capacity on ssd always means more than double the price?
Im pretty sure manufacturing costs difference from 1TB to 2TB should be marginal, pcb and controller should remain the the same...
Because you're not adding more BGA packages, you're adding higher density BGA packages. Manufacturing cost increases exponentially with density which is why there's always a 'sweet spot' for SSD price/capacity:

Too small and the PCB/controller/assembly cost is too much of the overall cost so jumping up in density doubles capacity for negligible extra cost.

Too big and the exponentially more expensive NAND packages ruin the product's cost/TB - you'd only pay that much for NAND if it was the highest-performing controller on a PCIe 4.0 flagship product. Saving a few bucks on a budget controller and skipping the DRAM cache is pointless because at the top NAND densities those other parts are only a couple of percent of the BOM costs anyway.
 
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Interested in the declining prices of 4TB and 8TB.

My laptop could use some love.
 

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Price is down to $240 on Amz now, guess they saw my review ;)
 
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Still almost double the price at which I would consider this good value tho ...
QLC has to beat like $.07/GiB at this point.
 
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Still almost double the price at which I would consider this good value tho ...
QLC has to beat like $.07/GiB at this point.
QLC sucks at providing value anyway. It only reduces the cost of the NAND by 25% and the cost of the NAND is about 1/5th the cost of a current 1TB drive:

20% NAND
20% controller, PCB, and other SMCs
20% R&D, tooling, assembly cost, production overheads
20% packaging, software/firmware, distribution, marketing, certification, validation blah blah blah.
20% margin for manufacturer.
The manufacturer sells 1000 drives to the retailer for ~$100 per unit, and the retailer will sell one to you for $125.

If we do the same breakdown for a current 1TB QLC drive, it looks EXACTLY the same, apart from the NAND, which is now 25% cheaper, going from $20 in the example above to $15.

That $5 saving gets passed on to you but at $125 for a TLC drive that performs consistently in all conditions and has verifiable lower latencies and better endurance is a way better deal than the equivalent QLC drive for just $120. Perhaps if we were taking about a 4TB drive, the cost savings would be significant enough to convince some people - At 4TB the NAND costs would make up more like 80% of the overall production cost of the drive, and getting 25% lower NAND costs on that is a 20% saving. Still not great, but possibly enough to sway someone who is cost-sensitive and plans to do very little write-intensive work with the drive.

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NAND isn't a significant enough portion of the overall cost to make it worth ruining a drive with QLC just to save $5.
 
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I mean why does a product like this exist to begin with then? Because this is certainly not providing us with any value at all at this point. If you cannot significantly beat TLC's cost per GB with QLC, why even bother making a worthless product?
 

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significantly beat
you don't have to. Lots of my computer illiterate real-life friends bought Samsung 870 QVO because "it's Samsung and was cheaper than other SSDs"
 
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you don't have to. Lots of my computer illiterate real-life friends bought Samsung 870 QVO because "it's Samsung and was cheaper than other SSDs"
Sad but true.
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