AMD Ryzen Threadripper 7000WX "Storm Peak" Only by Q3-2023

[btarunr]

AMD won't release its Ryzen Threadripper 7000WX "Storm Peak" workstation processors any time before September 2023, suggests a reliable source with AMD leaks. The push to Q3 probably has to do with giving AMD enough "Zen 4" CCD volumes to ship high-margin EPYC "Genoa" server processors first, before the company can turn its attention to the HEDT and workstation markets.

While all indications are that AMD give the "Zen 4" Threadripper a similar treatment this generation as it did with the "Zen 3," by confining it to the workstation segment with only Threadripper 7000WX SKUs that could be OEM-exclusives before crawling their way to the retail market; the source has an interesting theory, that the company could even target the client HEDT market with these chips. The company will also adequately segment the Threadripper 7000WX SKUs apart from EPYC "Genoa" processors.



For starters, the 7000WX "Storm Peak" series could ship with a narrower 8-channel (16 sub-channel) DDR5 memory interface, compared to the 12-channel (24 sub-channel) DDR5 interface of EPYC "Genoa." The alleged client HEDT Threadripper 7000X series SKUs, on the other hand, could feature a 4-channel (8 sub-channel) DDR5 interface, which would still end up double those of the Ryzen 7000 "Raphael" and 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake-S" processors with their 2-channel (4 sub-channel) DDR5 interfaces. Similarly, the 7000WX chips allegedly get the full 128-lane PCIe Gen 5 interface, while the 7000X HEDT chips get a narrow 64-lane PCIe Gen 5 interface.

Whether AMD even launches client HEDT SKUs will depend largely on what Intel does in this segment. There are rumors that the company could release HEDT SKUs based on a variant of "Sapphire Rapids" with a slimmer I/O feature set than Xeon Scalable processors (fewer PCIe Gen 5 lanes, no CXL, etc).

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[Funnyelevator]

A Q3 release would actually put it noticeably ahead of the Zen 3 timeline:
Zen 3 Threadripper was launched on March 8 2022, 502 days after the first Zen 3 cpus.
If Zen 4 Threadripper is launched in Q3 2023, is would be between 277 and 368 days after the first Zen 4 cpus.

 

[Wirko]

Let me make an informed guess about TR sockets.

Epyc - SP5 (LGA6096)

TR Pro - sWRX10 (LGA6096)
TR - sTRX5 (LGA6096) or maybe sTRX6 (LGA4844)

 

[Kapone33]

How do you call 64 lanes of PCIe 5 narrow?

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

How do you call 64 lanes of PCIe 5 narrow?

"Similarly, the 7000WX chips allegedly get the full 128-lane PCIe Gen 5 interface, while the 7000X HEDT chips get a narrow 64-lane PCIe Gen 5 interface."

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

A Q3 release would actually put it noticeably ahead of the Zen 3 timeline:
Zen 3 Threadripper was launched on March 8 2022, 502 days after the first Zen 3 cpus.
If Zen 4 Threadripper is launched in Q3 2023, is would be between 277 and 368 days after the first Zen 4 cpus.

I wonder why they do this.

I dont like nvidia for many reasons, but they do release the latest and greatest first (saving a full chip, in case) then walk their way down.

AMD should do the same thing, new core on Epy/ThreadRipper first, then Ryzens.
But not 300 + days after, a couple of months tops.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Name could be changed to Price Peak!

 

[Dr. Dro]

A Q3 release would actually put it noticeably ahead of the Zen 3 timeline:
Zen 3 Threadripper was launched on March 8 2022, 502 days after the first Zen 3 cpus.
If Zen 4 Threadripper is launched in Q3 2023, is would be between 277 and 368 days after the first Zen 4 cpus.

What Zen 3 Threadripper? These "Threadripper Pro" CPUs that cost thousands of dollars and require WRX80 don't count. For all I'm concerned, Threadripper buyers on TRX40 platform were abandoned and given the middle finger by AMD.

 

[maxfly]

AMD and client side hedt? Right. They've made it crystal clear they have no interest.
Why would they wait for Intel in the hedt sector? Intel? You've got to be kidding me. AMD should OWN hedt in every way, shape and form but we'll wait to see what big brother does first. Brilliant.

 

[Kapone33]

If Intel introduces a HEDT platform for the consumers AMD must respond. They also will need something to inspire high end AM4 users to move from their 12 and 16 core chips to the new platform. What I like about HEDT are the consumer boards are some of the best value you can get in computing.

 

[SRB151]

If Intel introduces a HEDT platform for the consumers AMD must respond. They also will need something to inspire high end AM4 users to move from their 12 and 16 core chips to the new platform. What I like about HEDT are the consumer boards are some of the best value you can get in computing.

Yeah, well, that's only if they make them. I got suckered into a TRX40 system. Read the "assurances:" that TRX40 was a "long term" socket. lol. The funniest part is all of the "experts" saying that the HEDT versions "didn't sell". Well, when it releases, and sells out, (i.e. RX 7900 xtx). and takes 6-8 months to return to list price, and never sells at a discount, that's not a low selling failure. That is, unless, they never had enough supply to meet demand. Go look at TRX40 boards and CPUs now. Way above list. AMD had a supply problem on their end and killed the platform. Period. Seemed to screw a lot of workstation vendors along the way at the same time. Why wouldn't Intel get back in. There's a market, and AMD kicked it to the curb.

 

[prtskg]

Unless Sapphire rapid is good, AMD won't give any love to threadripper. They sell every Epyc chips they produce so there's no incentive to sell threadripper and get less profit compared to Epyc, I think.

 

[blkspade]

I wonder why they do this.

I dont like nvidia for many reasons, but they do release the latest and greatest first (saving a full chip, in case) then walk their way down.

AMD should do the same thing, new core on Epy/ThreadRipper first, then Ryzens.
But not 300 + days after, a couple of months tops.

That doesn't make sense because it's not an especially well selling product. That platform is far too niche to prioritize, and AMD manufacturing capacity is limited. Tr is a severely cut down Epyc product that becomes far more artificially cut as IO die yields improve. It's like how they stopped making quad core Ryzens because everything made could be sold as at least a 6 core.

Yes, it's unfortunate for small group that want Thread ripper, but anyone that genuinely needs anything like what it offers is truly better served by the Pro product.2 56GB of RAM in quad channel is not enough for most things you would need the core density for. Even Ryzen is a bit starved for memory bandwidth. It didn't even make sense to put RDNA in an APU before DDR5. If you really truly need all those PCIe lanes, then the data you're handling still benefits from the platform improvements.

 

[HBSound]

According to the AMD rep, the next-gen 7XXX processor will have a new socket.
I will keep my current 3975 or consider going to a 3995. Right now, I do not see the value of jumping up the 5995WX.
I have seen the 399Wx for about $3000. So will see how this all pans out!