Intel Sets Xeon W "Sapphire Rapids" Workstation/HEDT Processor Launch for Feb 15

[btarunr]

Intel today revealed that it will launch its Xeon W "Sapphire Rapids-WS" processors for workstations and high-end desktops (HEDTs) at a launch event dated February 15, 2023. The series is expected to consist of two distinct classes of processors, the Xeon W-2400 series, and the Xeon W-3400 series, which are rumored to be available from different dates within Q1-2023. The W-3400 series and W-2400 series could be differentiated with platform I/O and core-counts. The W-3400 series is expected to put out the full PCIe Gen 5 112-lane I/O of the "Sapphire Rapids" MCM, while the W-2400 series has a narrower 64-lane PCIe Gen 5 interface. The two could also differ in DDR5 memory channels (8 for the W-3400 series vs. 4 for the W-2400 series), and hence maximum memory supported (4 TB vs. 2 TB, respectively), although both support ECC. Intel W790 is expected to be the common chipset for both.



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[lexluthermiester]

and high-end desktops (HEDTs) at a launch event dated February 15, 2023

Fricken finally!

 

[BorisDG]

This is Xeon-W and not X. Have nothing to do with HEDT. Ice Lake-W and previous gen had similar products, but they never came for consumer. Also no motherboards than like R7E.

 

[lexluthermiester]

This is Xeon-W and not X.

Umm..

Intel today revealed that it will launch its Xeon W "Sapphire Rapids-WS" processors for workstations and high-end desktops (HEDTs) at a launch event dated February 15, 2023.

Have nothing to do with HEDT.

What was that? Context is important!

 

[BorisDG]

It's not exactly the same tho. That's workstation Xeon processors. If they just use them as HEDT is very very lame. I'm also not fan of the base clock. If I want to get that, I want to use it for gaming just like my Cascade Lake-X.

 

[lexluthermiester]

It's not exactly the same tho.

How so?

 

[BorisDG]

See what I mean

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Lake_(microprocessor)#Workstation_processors

Xeon was always separate category for its own - workstation with dozen of processors. I want let's say spirital successor like i9 139*0X. Otherwise Xeon doesn't make the cut so I'm pass.

 

[lexluthermiester]

See what I mean

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Lake_(microprocessor)#Workstation_processors

Xeon was always separate category for its own - workstation with dozen of processors. I want let's say spirital successor like i9 139*0X. Otherwise Xeon doesn't make the cut so I'm pass.

Yeah, you're missing the point.

 

[BorisDG]

Yeah It's not the HEDT/processor I was waiting for. Xeon is not my cup of tea.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yeah It's not the HEDT/processor I was waiting for. Xeon is not my cup of tea.

The only real difference between Core i9 extreme's and the HEDT Xeons is the name and maybe the chipset. Otherwise they are functionally the same.

 

[HBSound]

I always wanted to try the workstation Xeon processor. When the time comes to build a PC, it boils down to dollars and cents. And for the $, I get a lot more out of the AMD Threadripper Pro over the Xeon - sad but true.

I will have to see how all this shakes down—interested in the price and core counts.

 

[Solaris17]

Damn this is awesome but I agree hopefully they release the X series CPUs soon* or atleast finally blend the feature sets. Who knows maybe these chips will allow OC and high boost clocks or even tvb

 

[BorisDG]

Exactly what I mean. Xeon is not "gaming/enthusiast" CPU. It's like consumer server CPU. So bring us the real HEDT.

 

[maxfly]

Exactly what I mean. Xeon is not "gaming/enthusiast" CPU. It's like consumer server CPU. So bring us the real HEDT.

Sadly, I doubt they will. Further segmentation likely won't make fiscal sense to them. It won't spur any better sales/revenue for them. We already know all to well this why both Intel and AMD killed off hedt in the first place.

 

[Dr_b_]

At this point having anything with more PCIe lanes is welcome in the consumer space, which has stagnated at X16 for years since the last HEDT platform was released

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Sadly, I doubt they will. Further segmentation likely won't make fiscal sense to them. It won't spur any better sales/revenue for them. We already know all to well this why both Intel and AMD killed off hedt in the first place.

To be fair, I'd consider the higher-end CPUs from both camps nowdays - namely the 13900/K/KS and the 7950X - to be HEDT-class chips. If somebody needs even more power and/or features for a specific use case (i.e a professional designer, graphic artist, etc. wherein time = money) then Threadripper Pro or these new Xeons would be a better fit.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Is is correct Zen 4 TR is not coming out until late year?

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

It would very much surprise me if these can really dominate even the Zen 3 TR Pro and Epyc. Maybe I will be surprised! But as these were in development concurrently with Alder Lake, and using the same process, I doubt they can get away with either feeding the big cores with obscene power or playing around with small reduced feature set cores.

We will see what we will see, I guess.

 

[thestryker6]

This is Xeon-W and not X. Have nothing to do with HEDT. Ice Lake-W and previous gen had similar products, but they never came for consumer. Also no motherboards than like R7E.

Ice Lake never had a 4 channel part, but the 2000 series here is despite sharing the socket with 8ch/server parts. The leaked SKU list shows 4 "X" overclockable CPUs in both the 2000 and 3000 lines which hasn't happened with Xeons in the past aside from the 3175X. This doesn't guarantee that there will be cheaper motherboards, but this also isn't the standard Xeon workstation lines like in the past. It makes sense to leverage the workstation Xeon branding to cover HEDT as well given that what I'd consider typical HEDT died with the TR3000 series.

 

[BorisDG]

I don't know man. I was so hyped, but now kinda disappointed. I guess my next CPU will be regular i9 14900K or so. But for now I'm good. My 10940X is still pretty competitive.

 

[thestryker6]

To be fair, I'd consider the higher-end CPUs from both camps nowdays - namely the 13900/K/KS and the 7950X - to be HEDT-class chips. If somebody needs even more power and/or features for a specific use case (i.e a professional designer, graphic artist, etc. wherein time = money) then Threadripper Pro or these new Xeons would be a better fit.

They're not though, because while the CPUs themselves may bring the performance the platforms are extremely limiting. My X99 (launched ~8.5 years ago) system has more memory bandwidth than the 13th gen/7000 series do at stock settings and has twice the available PCIe lanes. HEDT has never been about just the CPUs and it's really sad to see how many people think it does these days.

 

[maxfly]

Is is correct Zen 4 TR is not coming out until late year?

The way AMD has waffled...I wouldnt be surprised if it gets pushed back indefinitely. But yeah, September

 

[Scrizz]

They're not though, because while the CPUs themselves may bring the performance the platforms are extremely limiting. My X99 (launched ~8.5 years ago) system has more memory bandwidth than the 13th gen/7000 series do at stock settings and has twice the available PCIe lanes. HEDT has never been about just the CPUs and it's really sad to see how many people think it does these days.

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