Neo Forza MK5 DDR5-6000 96 GB CL40

[ir_cow]

Neo Forza is ready with more DDR5 options, unveiling the DDR5-6000 MK5 96 GB (2x 48 GB) high-capacity memory kit priced at a highly competitive $263. Thanks to support for both Intel XMP and AMD EXPO, this memory will run great on all platforms.

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[progste]

So the price of high capacity is loose timings?

 

[bonehead123]

So the price of high capacity is loose timings?

"If ya wanna play, ya gotzta pay" somewherz, somehowz, hehehe

But hopefully, as DDR5 starts to mature, they can figure out how to tighten up those timings like they did with DDR4 after it first came out...

 

[rusTORK]

Wrong graph in AMD (DOOM Eternal)? 6000 MHz vs 7200 MHz.

 

[ir_cow]

Wrong graph in AMD (DOOM Eternal)? 6000 MHz vs 7200 MHz.

Not seeing it. Please explain.

So the price of high capacity is loose timings?

Only if you want want to pay $100+ more for tighter stuff. Also the market will always fluctuate in price, so what did true today, may not be tomorrow.

It is still a well rounded product, but if absolutely need those zip zip values, only option is to manually set it yourself or buy another brand unfortunately.

But hopefully, as DDR5 starts to mature, they can figure out how to tighten up those timings like they did with DDR4 after it first came out...

I think it's just voltages and temperature is the issue. The average user doesn't want to run 1.5v and a fan on it. Still though, can really get below 28 for 6000 MT/s without* some dedication. Its easier to scale up instead of down with DDR5.

 

[rusTORK]

Not seeing it. Please explain.

Here: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/neo-forza-mk5-ddr5-6000-2x-48-gb/10.html
Second picture.

2x16 GB (1:1) 6000 MT/s CL30 vs 2x24 GB (2:1) 7200 MT/s CL36.

 

[Avro Arrow]

You know, I'm just glad that RAM companies are finally starting to release RAM kits that are compatible with both AMD and Intel. I figured it would happen sooner or later but it was definitely one of the reasons why I was happy to get an R7-5800X3D and stick with AM4. I can just imagine tearing my hair out with frustration over RAM that wasn't AM5-compatible. It's just a really stupid aspect of DDR5 RAM.

 

[ir_cow]

Here: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/neo-forza-mk5-ddr5-6000-2x-48-gb/10.html
Second picture.

2x16 GB (1:1) 6000 MT/s CL30 vs 2x24 GB (2:1) 7200 MT/s CL36.

Ahh thanks.

Edit: It has been fixed!

 

[Chrispy_]

I suspect the loose timings might have something to do with the very high likelihood that this kit will be doubled up to provide 192GB RAM in a 4-slot board - and my experience with 4-DIMM (and 8-DIMM) configurations is that tight timings are much harder to get stable as the number of DIMMs increases.

Almost nobody is going to buy 96GB because they don't want 128GB, they're buying 96GB kits because using two 64GB kits only nets them 128GB total and they need more without changing to a different platform entirely.

Pricing of these is competitive, but nothing special - and compared to Neo Forza's own RAM, it's a notably higher cost/GB than two 64GB kits of this grade. Other brands are offering 64GB DDR5-6000 kits for under $150 with tighter timings as well - so when you can have an extra 32GB of faster (rated) RAM for barely any more money it's a hard sell and potentially the only target audience runing this as a single 96GB kit in the long run is going to be mITX users who discovered too late that they needed more RAM.

As such, it's a real shame that Neo Forza only sampled you a single kit, because the single most important question that needs answering (how well do two of these kits run together in a 4-DIMM configuration) is left unanswered.

 

[ir_cow]

Almost nobody is going to buy 96GB because they don't want 128GB, they're buying 96GB kits because using two 64GB kits only nets them 128GB total and they need more without changing to a different platform entirely.

As such, it's a real shame that Neo Forza only sampled you a single kit, because the single most important question that needs answering (how well do two of these kits run together in a 4-DIMM configuration) is left unanswered.

Well people are going to really disappoint to find out that DDR4-4800 is kinda of the limit with 4x dual-rank. For AMD, I'll take that over halving the memory controller for a chance at 5600. On the Intel side, 13/14th gen is better, but it's not plug in play above 4800 either. I topped out at 5200 with CPU voltages use for 2x 8200. Manually setting it, otherwise it would not boot that high.

If 196GB is the goal, just buy basic green 4800 CL40. No need to spend more money if you can't just enable EXPO/XMP worry free. Better yet. Threadripper or XEON.

I have a number of 64GB kits now, even 128GB was tested for AMD in the charts. The answer to your question is that 4x is a bad idea overall.

 

[Chrispy_]

Well people are going to really disappoint to find out that DDR4-4800 is kinda of the limit with 4x dual-rank. For AMD, I'll take that over halving the memory controller for a chance at 5600. On the Intel side, 13/14th gen is better, but it's not plug in play above 4800 either. I topped out at 5200 with CPU voltages use for 2x 8200. Manually setting it, otherwise it would not boot that high.

If 196GB is the goal, just buy basic green 4800 CL40. No need to spend more money if you can't just enable EXPO/XMP worry free. Better yet. Threadripper or XEON.

I have a number of 64GB kits now, even 128GB was tested for AMD in the charts. The answer to your question is that 4x is a bad idea overall.

Yeah, even today when DDR4 is as mature as it's ever going to get, running 4x in an AM4 board at XMP/DOCP speeds has a good chance of being unstable

I try to deal with two types of system only - those that use ≤2 modules, and those that use ≥16.

 

[trparky]

I can just imagine tearing my hair out with frustration over RAM that wasn't AM5-compatible. It's just a really stupid aspect of DDR5 RAM.

Easy. I got myself a pair of 16 GB G.Skill Trident Z5 Neos (CL30-38-38-96), the very same kit of memory that Steve of Hardware Unboxed used in many of his Ryzen benchmark videos and have had no issues. That same kit of memory scored in second place on the AMD CPU Benchmarks page in write speeds and fourth in read speeds.