AMD to Support AM5 Platform with New Products Till 2025 and Beyond

[btarunr]

AMD continues to release new Ryzen 5000 series processor models for the Socket AM4 platform to this day, with new processors expected to launch next month. That's over 6 years of longevity for the platform, considering that AMD has extended official Ryzen 5000 series support all the way back to its first line of AM4 motherboards based on the 300-series chipset. The company plans a similar longevity for Socket AM5. In an interview with Overclockers UK, AMD's client channel business head David McAfee said "I think that we certainly recognized that the longevity of the AM4 platforms was one of the biggest reasons that led to the success of Ryzen and as we think and as we think about the future, 2025 and beyond, that decision to move to a next-generation of socket is one that's going to be really thought through really really carefully. We know the impact that moving to a new socket brings and we want to stay on AM5 for as long as we possibly can. We are firmly committed to 2025 and beyond and we will see how long that promise lasts beyond 2025."

AMD Socket AM5 is designed to deliver up to 230 W of package power, and has a contemporary I/O that includes a dual-channel DDR5 memory interface (4x 40-bit sub-channels); and 28 PCIe Gen 5 lanes (x16 PEG, two x4 NVMe, and x4 chipset bus), besides the usual SoC connectivity. With the upcoming Ryzen 8000G "Phoenix" APUs, we could expect to see that the socket even wires out modern display I/O such as DisplayPort 2.1 with USB type-C, and the bandwidth for 12-bit HDR up to 68 billion colors. AMD debuted Socket AM5 with the "Zen 4" microarchitecture, with "Zen 5" expected to launch in 2024. It's conceivable that the company's 2025 client architecture, "Zen 6," could also see its desktop presence on AM5, given that DDR5 memory and PCIe Gen 5 will remain relevant till at least that time.



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[Chry]

Looking forward to upgrade to mid-tier 8000X on my desktop!

 

[LabRat 891]

Headline was obvious, IMO.

What catches my fancy are AM5 2nd generation 'chipsets' implied to be coming sometime soon.

 

[A Computer Guy]

I'm a bit confused. Don't all AM5 chips include an iGPU?
Why are they (8000X's & 8000G's) not all considered APU's?
Why aren't 8000G's called Ultra APU's? (seems like a missed marketing opportunity by AMD)

 

[T-Cat]

AMD Socket AM5 is designed to deliver up to 230 W of package power

Ah yes a CPU to possibly rival the average GPU TDP. Truly a socket to make Intel proud. Oh wait the 13900K can go up to 253 W of power never mind.

Memes aside pretty good news. 7000 series despite its hiccups has been pretty good but I imagine a lot of people will go for the 8000 series when that releases. Though AM4 despite being older is probably going to be relevant for the next 5-10 years for a lot of people. Though we will see how good DDR4 RAM and PCIe 4.0 (and 3.0) will be in the future. Though I'm not sure how they will put a rumored Zen 6 architecture into a CPU chip without losing backwards compatibility for older motherboards. Only time will tell though as this is just thinking ahead and speculating future problems.

 

[LabRat 891]

I'm a bit confused. Don't all AM5 chips include an iGPU?
Why are they (8000X's & 8000G's) not all considered APU's?
Why aren't 8000G's called Ultra APU's? (seems like a missed marketing opportunity by AMD)

AM5 'CPUs' have unobtrusively small and low power IGPs for Video Enc/Dec, and basic video-out.
To be 1:1 feature-competitive with Intel for "normie" and OEM customers

The AM5 "APUs" OTOH, are high(er)-TDP variants of the most-recent Mobile APUs.
Most-recent consumer-faced silicon, with respectably powerful integral GPUs.
IIRC, the 8700G should have somewhere around RX470-RX6400 level performance (assuming optimal RAM config) on RDNA3 uArch.

 

[R0H1T]

the bandwidth for 12-bit HDR up to 68 billion colors.

Who's doing true 12bit HDR displays these days

 

[usiname]

They better release Zen 6 on the current mobos or they will remember very fast what was in the buldozer's days

 

[LabRat 891]

Who's doing true 12bit HDR displays these days

Eizo, undoubtedly.

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I suppose it might be legitimately useful for a media editors-designer or artists.

But, seems its talking about bandwidth capability and compatibility, on the coming APUs (and future displays)

With the upcoming Ryzen 8000G "Phoenix" APUs, we could expect to see that the socket even wires out modern display I/O such as DisplayPort 2.1 with USB type-C, and the bandwidth for 12-bit HDR up to 68 billion colors.

 

[HisDivineOrder]

Remember that time when AMD wasn't updating AM4 motherboards to run the latest CPU's because "the motherboards didn't have space for the new processors?" Now they're still adding more and more CPU's to the line as if space's no object! Haha, good times, good times.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Remember that time when AMD wasn't updating AM4 motherboards to run the latest CPU's because "the motherboards didn't have space for the new processors?" Now they're still adding more and more CPU's to the line as if space's no object! Haha, good times, good times.

Good thing MSI came out with the MAX series.

 

[R0H1T]

Remember that time when AMD wasn't updating AM4 motherboards to run the latest CPU's because "the motherboards didn't have space for the new processors?"

Yes of course, I overpaid for another x570 board because AMD also didn't allow Zen+ chips on B550 boards

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Gotta Love AMD for holding a socket for several Generations. This does not mean the chipset won't change, the socket can remain the same. Either way, direct fir upgrades is super appealing, I'm glad they are sticking with this tradition.

I believe Zen 5 is going to be a show stopper with performance, reading like 20% IPC gains yet again. This is huge actually. I anticipate the future!!

 

[TumbleGeorge]

AMD now has a full two-year refresh cycle for its core processor series. So, I don't see anything with ZEN 6 architecture before Q4 2026, rumors notwithstanding. No way to be on AM5.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Buckley's chance Zen 6 is a 2025 product release. Zen 5 is at least 4-8 months away and Zen 6 brings some huge changes like all new I/O and CCD topology. 2026 at earliest and no word at all on what socket it will use.

 

[R0H1T]

No way to be on AM5.

It would depend largely on whether DDR6 is ready by then ~ my bet is no so AM5/zen6 could still go with just DDR5 as a last hurrah!

AMD's unlikely do do DDR5+6 kinda like ADL with Intel.

 

[evernessince]

Remember that time when AMD wasn't updating AM4 motherboards to run the latest CPU's because "the motherboards didn't have space for the new processors?" Now they're still adding more and more CPU's to the line as if space's no object! Haha, good times, good times.

That's because motherboards that cheaped out on the BIOS chip size didn't have enough space. In order to make room for newer AM4 processors they had to cut features and remove prior gen CPU support when you updated the BIOS (something affected motherboards made sure to note on the BIOS downloads page). Overall it's a win for consumers but there was a legitimate technical reason for AMD's decision. The last time AMD did BIOS updates in such a way was AM3 and many customers complained about the amount of segmentation caused by BIOS updates there. AMD did a lot better job with AM4 by offering kits to get the system posted so the end user could update the BIOS to the required version and by not over-segmenting BIOS versions like they did with AM3. Given that AM5 has a built-in BIOS flashback option (vendors can use it or their own) AMD appears to be plugging the last few holes that exist in an ecosystem that demands long term support.

Really AMD"s comments on BIOS size constraints and customer's push for extended CPU support were both valid.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Buckley's chance Zen 6 is a 2025 product release. Zen 5 is at least 4-8 months away and Zen 6 brings some huge changes like all new I/O and CCD topology. 2026 at earliest and no word at all on what socket it will use.

That's where the chipset change comes in. New features may not require a new pinout. Even if Zen 6 where to be DDR6, could still use the same cpu socket. New features yay! Same socket, can use the cpu with older boards minis new features. But I don't see why they couldn't do all of that with the same pinout.

 

[ymdhis]

Remember that time when AMD wasn't updating AM4 motherboards to run the latest CPU's because "the motherboards didn't have space for the new processors?" Now they're still adding more and more CPU's to the line as if space's no object! Haha, good times, good times.

They weren't entirely wrong, many motherboards simply didn't have a large enough flash rom to store a large enough UEFI to cover all CPUs.

 

[R0H1T]

Really AMD"s comments on BIOS size constraints and customer's push for extended CPU support were both valid.

True but that's only on a technicality, how do you explain B550 boards not supporting zen or zen+ chips? I wanted to move my 2700 to a cheaper board & still retain the ability to upgade it later ~ there were zero options except x570 at the time early last year, the xx4x boards were mostly out of stock/production here!

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Zen 6 brings some huge changes like all new I/O and CCD

Exactly. This is my mind about reasons.

 

[Hyderz]

i do look foward in 2024 with the 8000 series line up...

 

[Launcestonian]

Glad I invested in AM5 systems, the performance in my current gaming rig s wholly satisfying & more... going to reap the rewards for yrs to come!

 

[AusWolf]

What is "till 2025 and beyond"? Is it until 2025 or beyond 2025 now? You can't have it both ways.

 

[evernessince]

True but that's only on a technicality, how do you explain B550 boards not supporting zen or zen+ chips?

If I had to guess, they wanted to upsell people to the X570 chipset given it provided the weakest value proposition of any X class chipset on AM4.