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5070ti or 9070xt?

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So my question,

Here in the UK i can get a basic model 5070ti for the price of a high end model 9070xt.

So do I go for a basic model 5070ti or a high end 9070xt model, or save a £100 and get a basic model 9070xt?

Gaming at 1440p by the way, And coming from a 6800xt.
 
I'd get the 5070-Ti. Equal performance, far better features. Certainly worth £100.
 
How basic are we talking about?

All in all, given there's almost no premium for a 5070 Ti I recommend to go for it. Raw performance difference doesn't exist, unless you cherry pick specific games. And 5070 Ti clearly has more going on for it (DLSS, CUDA, power efficiency, driver longevity, professional software support).
 
How basic are we talking about?

All in all, given there's almost no premium for a 5070 Ti I recommend to go for it. Raw performance difference doesn't exist, unless you cherry pick specific games. And 5070 Ti clearly has more going on for it (DLSS, CUDA, power efficiency, driver longevity, professional software support).
This card will be purely for gaming, I don't use dlss....

Power Efficiency wise I thought they were roughly equal? Also what do you mean by driver longevity? Are you saying nvidia support old cards longer than amd do? Thanks for input.

Oh and by basic i mean the cheapest I can find at roughly £699 which i think was a Palit card.
 
This card will be purely for gaming, I don't use dlss....

Power Efficiency wise I thought they were roughly equal? Also what do you mean by driver longevity? Are you saying nvidia support old cards longer than amd do? Thanks for input.

Oh and by basic i mean the cheapest I can find at roughly £699 which i think was a Palit card.
OCUK have the Palit and the Gainward 5070 Ti (same card I assume) for £680, Scan have the XFX Swift 9070 XT for £600 so about £80 is the smallest difference I can find. The 5070 Ti is a bit more power efficient in gaming going by TPU's testing, otherwise it's if you want DLSS instead of FSR and stuff like CUDA, Reflex, G-SYNC etc.
 
I don't use dlss....
Yes because you have an AMD GPU.
Power Efficiency wise I thought they were roughly equal?
5070 Ti draws a little less power under lighter loads. It's not much but electricity isn't free anyway.
Also what do you mean by driver longevity? Are you saying nvidia support old cards longer than amd do? Thanks for input.
Generally yes. GTX 900 series (2014) received driver updates until very recently (maybe they still provide updated drivers for these GPUs) whereas the support for R9 300 series (same year) had been wrapped up three years ago.
 
If you need CUDA, pick the 5070Ti. If you do live content, NVENC and AMF trade blows closely enough.
Yes because you have an AMD GPU.
The context is purely gaming. Nobody shopping this tier gives a shit about power efficiency or upscalers.
Pick the one that fits. If your country's market is absolutely screwed coming and going, pick what you can get.
If you need something more than these, keep waiting. Market correction is coming.
 
Nobody shopping this tier gives a shit about power efficiency or upscalers.
Many people own 4K displays. This card doesn't bring much oomph in pure 4K. Also in case of 1440p, DLAA is a very nice addition.
Also many people live in places where electricity costs long dollar and they don't wanna pay when they can avoid it.

I personally will buy a 4K144 monitor and in order to max it out, I'll need a lot of upscaling. I'm fine with that.
 
If you know about the awful 12VHPWR connector and don't like it then the 9070XT (high end model is nice for quiet and headroom) or even a 7900XTX (since you mentioned you don't use upscaling at all) would be good sensible picks.
 
5070ti - upscaling is a must on both of these and that one has a MUCH better upscaler that works in virtually every game. Also overclocks like crazy.

If you can get the 9070xt for 30% less money then do that but at a similar price the 5070ti all day.

Not sure why you wouldn't use DLSS/FSR-4 - that's like 30%-60% more FPS leaving on the table.
 
Its really a tough one, like I said purely 1440p gaming, no professional shizzles or streaming done here.

Last nvidia card I had was a gtx1080ti, was a great card and I have to say the 6800xt has also been a great card..

Like I said I can either get a no thrills basic 5070ti palit or gainward card or for the same price top of the stack xfx Mercury OC Magnetic Air 9070xt....which also uses the trusty pcie power plugs......


Aghhhhhh!
 
the 5070ti doesn't pull enough wattage for the power plug to be an issue.

The ones that melt are the 5090 and the 4090 - i think i've heard of like one 5080 partially melt a portion of the connector pin... i've not heard a single report about x70 class melting since even with a bad distribution on the power connector it's fine. It is a garbage connector, but you're not melting anything even with an OC on that 5070ti.
 
the 5070ti doesn't pull enough wattage for the power plug to be an issue.
Yeah I know, if it did i wouldn't even consider a 5070ti.

As for not using any kind of frame gen, I'm more into image quality than fps, I play games such as Day Z and Ark Ascended so ultimate fps is not important for me.
 
The DLSS 4 Transformer Model is legit good, I use it in some games like kingdom come looks better than stock TAA (which looks like someone ran a wet vaseline rag over the screen).

Do a DLSS 4 Quality + sharpening filter in the nv control panel (or game filters) and it looks like you upgraded to a higher resolution. Sharpening filter works in every game from the CP. Costs a few FPS but the IQ is so nice.

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^ this is an older example using OG DLSS - it's gotten much better since then.
 
This card will be purely for gaming, I don't use dlss....
you will, once you see it blows TAA out of the water. the new nvidia app has a custom, manual dlss input resolution scale, I suggest using 75% with the lastest K preset. Unmatched for static and motion IQ by any native antialiasing method. Same goes for FSR4, which 9070xt has. Sadly, fsr4 doesn't have that many supported games, at least not compared to dlss2/3

Its really a tough one, like I said purely 1440p gaming, no professional shizzles or streaming done here.

Last nvidia card I had was a gtx1080ti, was a great card and I have to say the 6800xt has also been a great card..

Like I said I can either get a no thrills basic 5070ti palit or gainward card or for the same price top of the stack xfx Mercury OC Magnetic Air 9070xt....which also uses the trusty pcie power plugs......


Aghhhhhh!
basic palit cards are really decent, they'll do.
 
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Like I said I can either get a no thrills basic 5070ti palit or gainward card or for the same price top of the stack xfx Mercury OC Magnetic Air 9070xt....which also uses the trusty pcie power plugs......
Gamingpro-S or Phoenix-S? Ewww, I would rather have no gpu. XFX Magnetic Air isn't the quietest card out there(actually the loudest 9070XT one can buy).
basic palit cards are really decent, they'll do.
By decent, you mean bottom of the barrel almost worst card you can get, then sure it 'decent'. While performance is the same, it's hot, loud, has weird fan noise that can drive you crazy, but yeah you get what you pay for, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. GameRock and Phantom are acceptable.
 
Gamingpro-S or Phoenix-S? Ewww, I would rather have no gpu. XFX Magnetic Air isn't the quietest card out there(actually the loudest 9070XT one can buy).

By decent, you mean bottom of the barrel almost worst card you can get, the sure it 'decent'. GameRock and Phantom are acceptable. Well you get what you pay for, don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
So you wouldn't recommend the Palit or Gainward card?

Also xfx card can't you just adjust fan curve to suit? What 9070xt would you recommend for cooling and quite oh and performance of course?
 
So do I go for a basic model 5070ti or a high end 9070xt model, or save a £100 and get a basic model 9070xt?
Hmmm the problem with the 5070 Ti is that if you get SFF or ones with skinny coolers you're forfeiting either noise level or temp. Meaning you can have good temps if you make the card noisy, also if you make it quiet the temps will be higher than fat brick ones.
So if care about these aspects you have to decide how much you're willing to compromise.

With the 9070 XT the Pulse for example has a good cooler. It's also a lightweight and not bulky card.
AMD uses GDDR6 memory chips which if made by Hynix (most likely) will have higher temps than nVidia memory chips. Samsung memory chips lowered the temps for AMD although by means of increased latencies thus having minuscule performance penalty.
So the memory temperature on the 9070 XT is not a deal breaker (it's just how it's designed) but something to be aware of in case you get it and are unpleasantly surprised by the temp values.
xfx Mercury OC Magnetic Air 9070xt
Rather thick:
XFX Magnetic Air isn't the quietest card out there(actually the loudest 9070XT one can buy).
With default BIOS (ehh both are identical, so it needs user tuning):

@PaddieMayne

If you perhaps are talking about the Palit GamingPro then it's a good choice.
Gamingpro-S or Phoenix-S?
Very important to not get skinny ones. So GamingPro full stop. That is fine.
 
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MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti 16GB VENTUS 3X OC​


Can get this for £679, any good?

Or for same price Sapphire Nitro 9070xt
 
At current prices (9070xt only ~$50 cheaper) you go with the 5070ti every single day.

If the 9070XT was priced at its msrp it would be an NVIDIA killer. But AMD's GPU branch is incompetent.

TLDR if the prices are close, 5070 TI.
 
You may want to read some of the stuff here:
TPU - Increase in performance of 9070 with new drivers


The 9070xt isn't exactly amazing for the price...but when compared against the rather lackluster offering that the 5070ti has proven to be (for the cost associated with it), I'd (and have) put my money on the 9070xt. I'm not saddened, and have no buyer's remorse with the purchase. There seems to be little difference between the highest end 9070xt and the "budget" versions other than the coolers...and the coolers aren't really causing wild shifts in performance based on the initial line-up breakdown.

That said, your usage case might not match mine.
1) QHD resolution
2) 2 Monitors
3) Aiming for 144 Hz refresh
4) I disable motion blur and so many of the visual options because I think layering a screen with vaseline to make it "better" is fundamentally counter productive.
5) I am not using DLSS, transform, or any shenanigans to interpolate frames because I think that the 3090 being equal to a 4070 is a bad joke, and advertising claiming that they are better with these features enabled is not asking enough from a card that costs the better part of a grand.


If you can agree with these statements, and the improvement over time rather than broken launch but relatively stable current state is the way to go, then you should agree. If instead you want the newer frame generation techniques and can stand with much more expense...then that's an option too.


What you should be aware with on the cards:
1) Next gen AMD is likely going to be a substantial shift in its structure, which means this gen will likely not have a huge shelf life for support and drivers.
2) FSR is nice in the games it works on. Not nice enough to take the performance hit (frame time variation), but nice enough to see it isn't as crap as it was initially.
3) RT is better on the 9070 xt. I turn it off because it isn't something I see as good juice for the massive squeeze...but if your hang-up with AMD was RT then the performance hit for enabling it is no longer a slide show
4) Theoretically the cards trade blows on performance and electrical draw. I...haven't seen either doing an amazing job with this. I personally view it as a toss-up in the real world, but the initial quantitative data indicates AMD is a little less efficient wholistically.
5) If you want something better than the 9070xt then you need Nvidia. That said, for QHD there's no reason to want more.

MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti 16GB VENTUS 3X OC​


Can get this for £679, any good?

Or for same price Sapphire Nitro 9070xt

The Ventus is the barebones card.

Coolers are not great, but good. No RGB, not great on overclock. Stable. I have the 3080 Ventus, and it's a competent card. If you want something to set, run, and forget then it isn't bad. That said, if things go sideways my experience with MSI's customer service indicates they are not going to be any more helpful than an ulcer. If there's even a whif of being not right you want to return it while the purchase point warranty is still in effect.
 

MSI NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti 16GB VENTUS 3X OC​


Can get this for £679, any good?

Or for same price Sapphire Nitro 9070xt
Get this one and enjoy it. DLSS and DLAA are worth it.
 
Kind of still leaning towards the 9070xt xfx Mercury OC card I know it's a bit louder than the rest, but I like the hot-spot and Memory temps being low on this card plus 35db isn't to bad when I wear headphones anyway....

Just don't want to risk a low end 5070ti, plus I'm starting to see alot of issues around nvidia driver issues.....just watched a gamers nexus and jayz2cent video on nvidia driver issues on 50 series cards.....funny as I thought amd were supposed to be the driver issue brigade?
 
Kind of still leaning towards the 9070xt xfx Mercury OC card I know it's a bit louder than the rest, but I like the hot-spot and Memory temps being low on this card plus 35db isn't to bad when I wear headphones anyway....

Just don't want to risk a low end 5070ti, plus I'm starting to see alot of issues around nvidia driver issues.....just watched a gamers nexus and jayz2cent video on nvidia driver issues on 50 series cards.....funny as I thought amd were supposed to be the driver issue brigade?

You're choosing the worse card because of biased youtube videos.

Again if AMD actually priced this card at MSRP it would be a no-brainer because you're be saving almost $200. But when they're essentially the same price it's dumb not to get a 5070 TI (or wait for the 9070 price to drop)
 
The DLSS 4 Transformer Model is legit good, I use it in some games like kingdom come looks better than stock TAA (which looks like someone ran a wet vaseline rag over the screen).

Do a DLSS 4 Quality + sharpening filter in the nv control panel (or game filters) and it looks like you upgraded to a higher resolution. Sharpening filter works in every game from the CP. Costs a few FPS but the IQ is so nice.

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^ this is an older example using OG DLSS - it's gotten much better since then.

And I'm over here thinking DLSS4 already looks over sharpened in most games and this guy is adding more on top lol.....



Kind of still leaning towards the 9070xt xfx Mercury OC card I know it's a bit louder than the rest, but I like the hot-spot and Memory temps being low on this card plus 35db isn't to bad when I wear headphones anyway....

Just don't want to risk a low end 5070ti, plus I'm starting to see alot of issues around nvidia driver issues.....just watched a gamers nexus and jayz2cent video on nvidia driver issues on 50 series cards.....funny as I thought amd were supposed to be the driver issue brigade?

The main difference is much better game support and easier way to update older games to DLSS4 and the slightly better RT other than that they are pretty similar if they are close in price I would lean 5070ti just because Nvidia being so large has better game support for it's technologies if you can get the 9070XT for around 100 usd cheaper it starts to make sense at 150+ it's a no brainer.


The best thing would be to buy them both try them in the games you like and send back the one you don't want to keep regardless buy from a place with a good return policy looking at bar graphs and actually living with hardware are two different things.
 
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