AMD AM4 is another PGA socket?!

hrp32 · Dec 16, 2016

I've been thinking about disadvantages of PGA sockets as every time I try to uninstall my CPU cooler the CPU itself gets out of the socket. Also there's a possibility to bend CPU pins.

I believe LGA sockets are no more expensive than PGAs but now another PGA socket for AMD's new platform is something I don't really understand!

R-T-B · Dec 16, 2016

I've had enough ruined LGA sockets to argue both ways.

Hell, bring back the slot. If you fuck that up, you're worse than me and should be banned from computers forever.

Deleted member 6693 · Dec 16, 2016

R-T-B said:
I've had enough ruined LGA sockets to argue both ways.

Hell, bring back the slot. If you fuck that up, you're worse than me and should be banned from computers forever.

Wasn't Pentium II or Pentium III the only ones that used slots?

FordGT90Concept · Dec 16, 2016

Slot + BGA (BGA on the add-in board, slot the add-in board in to the motherboard) would be ideal, in my opinion.

VulkanBros said:
Wasn't Pentium II or Pentium III the only ones that used slots?

Pentium II (Slot 1) and the original Athlon (Slot A)

Melvis · Dec 16, 2016

Im not terribly worried honestly, but I am used to Pins on the CPU. Depending on the thermal paste used, you heat up the CPU just before taking off the heatsink and just give it a twist and break the thermal paste seal and it pops right off without accidentally pulling out the CPU with it.

R-T-B · Dec 16, 2016

Melvis said:
Im not terribly worried honestly, but I am used to Pins on the CPU. Depending on the thermal paste used, you heat up the CPU just before taking off the heatsink and just give it a twist and break the thermal paste seal and it pops right off without accidentally pulling out the CPU with it.

Yeah, I learned "Twist and pull" rather quick after I wrecked my old Opteron 185.

See? I've wrecked both kinds.

...

Maybe I just wreck things.

hrp32 · Dec 16, 2016

VulkanBros said:
Wasn't Pentium II or Pentium III the only ones that used slots?

FordGT90Concept said:
Slot + BGA (BGA on the add-in board, slot the add-in board in to the motherboard) would be ideal, in my opinion.

Pentium II (Slot 1) and the original Athlon (Slot A)

I think AMD used slot too back then but trust me you don't want to have a BGA CPU that after some time needs reballing and... just like BGA GPUs. If only GPUs used a socket it would be awesome.

Melvis said:
Im not terribly worried honestly, but I am used to Pins on the CPU. Depending on the thermal paste used, you heat up the CPU just before taking off the heatsink and just give it a twist and break the thermal paste seal and it pops right off without accidentally pulling out the CPU with it.

OK but what's wrong with LGAs and why AMD sticks to PGAs every generation?

biffzinker · Dec 16, 2016

I prefer LGA over PGA, at least the motherboard is less expensive to replace. I've had a couple past AMD CPU's the pin snapped trying to straighten it out meaning I'm out a CPU.

Edit: Also one Pentium 4 CPU on Socket 478, technically should of died from a missing pin. Pulled out of the socket glued to the bottom of the heatsink.

FordGT90Concept · Dec 16, 2016

I prefer LGA because a) motherboards tend to be cheaper than CPUs (as @biffzinker said), LGA holds on tight to the CPU so it doesn't extract with the HSF, and replacing a motherboard (should something go wrong) usually means you get better features for the same price. AMD has better HSF mounts though. Intel's HSF mounts are terrible unless you're going 3rd party HSF with separate brackets.

Ferrum Master · Dec 16, 2016

Don't care. I was using socket F also for a long... so AMD has really used both sockets since ages. Both are comparable and does the job fine.

A matter of taste really.

hrp32 · Dec 16, 2016

I'm guessing it might have something to do with the overclocking potential?! :rolleyes:

biffzinker · Dec 16, 2016

hrp32 said:
I'm guessing it might have something to do with the overclocking potential?!

Signal integrity between the CPU, and motherboard also back when Intel was using the older GTL+ FSB running at a higher clock speed (LGA 775 Socket.) The only two CPUs I see that officially ran @ 1600 MHz on Socket 775 were the Core 2 Extreme QX9770/9775.

Frick · Dec 16, 2016

Make bigger chips, make them slot ins, profit. Seriously, look at the size of the slot 1 CPU boards and imagine what kind of oomph you could pack on that PCB space now.

I can't say I have any preference for PGA or LGA. LGA feels more secure somehow, but that is just a feeling.

R-T-B · Dec 16, 2016

Frick said:
Make bigger chips, make them slot ins, profit. Seriously, look at the size of the slot 1 CPU boards and imagine what kind of oomph you could pack on that PCB space now.

I can't say I have any preference for PGA or LGA. LGA feels more secure somehow, but that is just a feeling.

I know this is OT, but your avatar's sudden multiplication is frightening.

biffzinker · Dec 16, 2016

Is Four Fishfaced Nincompoops to much for you to handle? @R-T-B

R-T-B · Dec 16, 2016

biffzinker said:
Is Four Fishfaced Nincompoops to much for you to handle? @R-T-B

I'm more concerned with how it got to be that many.

Did they have twins, or something?

RejZoR · Dec 16, 2016

I actually had to look up these types to even remember what they are. Never really paid much attention to it. I just sticked the CPU in mobo and done. I mean, dropping a CPU is a bad idea if it's LGA, PGA or BGA. So you avoid doing that entirely. It's also not rocket science sticking in a CPU. Just align it right and drop it in. So, at the end of the day, I don't really care. The Athlon XP 2400+ that I had was PGA, all the Intel's that I can remember having were LGA. Which is what they also use in socket names (LGA775, LGA2011 etc) unlike AMD which usually just designated them as Socket A, AM3+ etc and that was it.

Frick · Dec 16, 2016

RejZoR said:
I actually had to look up these types to even remember what they are. Never really paid much attention to it. I just sticked the CPU in mobo and done. I mean, dropping a CPU is a bad idea if it's LGA, PGA or BGA. So you avoid doing that entirely. It's also not rocket science sticking in a CPU. Just align it right and drop it in. So, at the end of the day, I don't really care. The Athlon XP 2400+ that I had was PGA, all the Intel's that I can remember having were LGA. Which is what they also use in socket names (LGA775, LGA2011 etc) unlike AMD which usually just designated them as Socket A, AM3+ etc and that was it.

Dropping an LGA CPU means nothing to it, unless you drop it very hard on like concrete. I've skipped C2D's across rooms with nothing happening to them.

BTW, Intel also used PGA before LGA775. s478/423/370 were all PGA.

RejZoR · Dec 16, 2016

It means a lot if that CPU is dropped onto the LGA socket and bends the pins on the mobo. Then you're majorly screwed if you have a high end mobo...

dorsetknob · Dec 16, 2016

RejZoR said:
It means a lot if that CPU is dropped onto the LGA socket and bends the pins on the mobo. Then you're majorly screwed if you have a high end mobo...

Simple Answer for you
Sucker on a Stick
AS mentioned in ghetto thread long ago

Works for LGA and PGA but not BGA

hrp32 · Dec 16, 2016

dorsetknob said:
Simple Answer for you
Sucker on a Stick
AS mentioned in ghetto thread long ago

Works for LGA and PGA but not BGA

You fill in your system specs.

Ruru · Dec 16, 2016

RejZoR said:
It means a lot if that CPU is dropped onto the LGA socket and bends the pins on the mobo. Then you're majorly screwed if you have a high end mobo...

I've always wondered how it's even possible to mess up pin(s) on a LGA socket. Asus MB's these days even have something called "CPU installation tool", but I left that thing in the MB box.
And also I can't even remember the last time I've built a PC sober.

edit: one P67 MB which I bought used had ~20 fucked up pins, and I managed to straighten most of then, few were broken. My friend was a genious to not have that cap on the socket. The MB worked flawlessly, only the second memory channel was dead.

dorsetknob · Dec 16, 2016

hrp32 said:
You fill in your system specs.

Thank you when i need and ask for Help i will make my spec's Available

Please note Sig

Specs are filled in

eidairaman1 · Dec 16, 2016

R-T-B said:
I've had enough ruined LGA sockets to argue both ways.

Hell, bring back the slot. If you fuck that up, you're worse than me and should be banned from computers forever.

LMAO.

@hrp32 Never Had an issue with a cpu pulling out, easiest thing to do is twist method or use a blow dryer...

hrp32 · Dec 16, 2016

eidairaman1 said:
LMAO.

@hrp32 Never Had an issue with a cpu pulling out, easiest thing to do is twist method or use a blow dryer...

I do prefer LGA sockets anyway and the thing is I'm just disappointed in AMD and I wish they hadn't acquired ATi as they are drowning together.

AMD is responsible for :

- Little or no competition in CPU market for years.
- Rebranding GPUs multiple times.

- High TDP chips.
- False advertising and exaggerating their products performance.
- And recently no competition in high end GPU market.

Don't get me wrong I've been an ATi and AMD user from the times of ATi Rage 128 Pro but I feel I've saw and waited enough... :cool:

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AMD AM4 is another PGA socket?!

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