ASUS Intel ROG Maximus Z890 Hero & ASUS Intel ROG Maximus Z890 Extreme. Cooling.

[Oldschool297]

I am on the hunt for a new motherboard but i have hard to choice one. Does anyone have any of these with a Noctua cooler? I am curious if the cooler overhangs the display and the memorys? I have thought about a massive ROG Ryuo IV SLC 360 ARGB that features a 6.67-inch AMOLED display, enabling intuitive control through dedicated software to smoothly display 3D videos, customized content, or hardware information. Or a smaller CPC ACC ASUS ROG RYUJIN III 360 ARGB EXTREME. 3.5-inch LCD screen enlarged to 640x480 for custom animated GIF files or live monitoring of clock frequency, voltage, temperature, fan speed or coolant flow.

Is Liquid cooling realible for regular motherboards? If a little water slips out the whole motherboard can be broken. As i guess. The massive ROG Ryuo IV SLC 360 ARGB seems to get the ROG display on the motherboards visible and it only overhangs one memory and little more.

I guess the AIO liquid cooler is much better then a Noctua air cooler? Even with double fans?

I have a Lian Li O11 Dynamic XL ROG huge chassi. With three slots for 360 mm radiator. The chassi is 469mm in length. Can it possible suit? The Rog seems hard to fit in in many cases since it's Radiator Dimension: 394 x 140 x 32 mm. The most chassis have 360mm even if the chassi is longer. The chassi is (D) 469 x (W) 272 x (H) 513mm. The lines for putting screws in seems to be 372mm. And the radiator 394mm. The top length is 466mm.

 

[dgianstefani]

If you have this kind of budget just get a Noctua D15-G2 for the same performance day 1000 as day 1, something you can't say about an AIO. If you want liquid cooling build a custom loop, the AIOs are all various degrees of mid.

 

[Oldschool297]

Yes i noticed the new G2 coolers months ago. But i did not find a Chromax Black version. Is there any risks with water leakage from AIO coolers? It surely damage the motherboard when it is a non water cooling board. I would like to get the Rog AIO just for the display, i want more visual effect in my computer chassi.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Yes i noticed the new G2 coolers months ago. But i did not find a Chromax Black version. Is there any risks with water leakage from AIO coolers? It surely damage the motherboard when it is a non water cooling board. I would like to get the Rog AIO just for the display, i want more visual effect in my computer chassi.

No. There is no risk of "water" leakage (it's not really water, it's a relatively inert propylene glycol solution with very low electrical conductivity). If air gets in, it's going to gurgle, and I'm fairly sure you'll be able to see it before anything really bad happens. And there is no Chromax version of the G2 yet.

May I make a polite suggestion? Ask one of the mods to like, merge all your threads into one. It'd be much easier for us to guide you through your decision making process while planning out your next build

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You will block the screen on the Z890 extreme if you use a D15 or other large air cooler I had to use a U12A which was fine but didn't perfom all that well on a 285k under 100% MT load 90C+. The person I did the build for did not want an aio I had to use a slim noctua fan in the back of the case a regular 25mm fan will block it a little also.

That was in the 011 XL evo.

I guess I deleted my archive for it by accident only picture I have from that build.

 

[Oldschool297]

Thank you. Then the case is solved. I will go for a massive ROG Ryuo IV SLC 360 ARGB for around 300-400$ I should guess around 420$, since i want the 5" lcd display to be easy visible there is no option, As you see on the screendump from rog's site the lcd on the motherboard is more visible. Thanks for making a notice about the 25mm back fan. I think Lian Li has new fans with special argb side lights that are 15mm?

Is it a display between the PCI-E ports to? It can looks so. Was it a kind of Lian Li chassi, it looks similar to mine, except from that i have the Lian Li logo under the Expansionsplaces. I have a Noctua NH-D12L to my Asrock Z590 Oc Formula motherboard that i bought in may 2023 for 189$, a very beautiful board from June 21, 2021. It did not cover the memorys as i have the very beautiful G-skill Trident Z Royal ddr4 4000mhz. Only 1mm away from being against the first memory. Sadly the Asrock board only have place for 2 memorys. I wish it could have been 4 or rather 8. As they are very beautiful to the board. But when it is a special designed overclock board by The World's Legendary Overclocker Nick Shih i guess it was better with 2. 64gb at max. But it is not little to be honest. the most have 32gb. i have around 500 tabs in firefox (Not all open). It seems to use 14gb in windows 10. With some folders and programs and apps open.

In fact it reminds of the Gasmonkey Datsun build.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You definitely have to plan the whole build around the Z890 extreme if you want it's LCD fully visible it's a very impressive motherboard for sure though.

 

[Oldschool297]

If you check the screendump from the rog site the lcd display is visible when you look at the computer from the front, it may be hidden if you look from the side, i like that cooler, but to be honest the ROG RYUJIN III 360 ARGB EXTREME is a little smaller.

 

[Bill_Bright]

No. There is no risk of "water" leakage (it's not really water, it's a relatively inert propylene glycol solution with very low electrical conductivity)

Sorry but that is not exactly correct. There is always a risk of leaks in any liquid cooling system. There could be a manufacturing defect, a fitting may not be secure, or a hose or other component in the system may get damaged through abuse or mishandling and spring a leak. Over time fittings can work loose and hoses can even become brittle and develop microfractures. The frequent heat up/cool down cycles resulting in the natural expansion/contraction of matter actually increases the aging process.

Also, it "is" really water, or rather a water solution, typically consisting of distilled water, propylene glycol (an anti-corrosion/antifreeze/coolant and lubricant solution) or something similar, and a biocide to prevent the growth of molds and other types of fungi and bacteria in there.

Dr. Dro is correct to say the coolant has a very low electrical conductivity value. HOWEVER, that is when new. Over time, because friction, despite being very low, will result in the solution becoming contaminated with microscopic particles of metal (typically, very conductive aluminum alloys) as it circulates through pipes, the block and plates, radiator(s), and pump becoming more and more conductive.

One of the biggest problems with users of liquid cooling systems is they tend to be very diligent conducting frequent inspections, looking for leaks and proper operation - when new. However, as the weeks, months, perhaps years tick by with no problems ever noted, they become less and less diligent when in fact, due to aging, they should become even more diligent, even increasing those inspections.

 

[dgianstefani]

Sorry but that is not exactly correct. There is always a risk of leaks in any liquid cooling system. There could be a manufacturing defect, a fitting may not be secure, or a hose or other component in the system may get damaged through abuse or mishandling and spring a leak. Over time fittings can work loose and hoses can even become brittle and develop microfractures. The frequent heat up/cool down cycles resulting in the natural expansion/contraction of matter actually increases the aging process.

Also, it "is" really water, or rather a water solution, typically consisting of distilled water, propylene glycol (an anti-corrosion/antifreeze/coolant and lubricant solution) or something similar, and a biocide to prevent the growth of molds and other types of fungi and bacteria in there.

Dr. Dro is correct to say the coolant has a very low electrical conductivity value. HOWEVER, that is when new. Over time, because friction, despite being very low, will result in the solution becoming contaminated with microscopic particles of metal (typically, very conductive aluminum alloys) as it circulates through pipes, the block and plates, radiator(s), and pump becoming more and more conductive.

One of the biggest problems with users of liquid cooling systems is they tend to be very diligent conducting frequent inspections, looking for leaks and proper operation - when new. However, as the weeks, months, perhaps years tick by with no problems ever noted, they become less and less diligent when in fact, due to aging, they should become even more diligent, even increasing those inspections.

Not only does risk of leaks increase with age, but also performance steadily drops as pump wears out, cold plate is gunked up from mixed metals and corrosion inhibitors wearing out, and coolant slowly reduces in volume.

 

[Dr. Dro]

That's very long term prospects, though. I agree if you want to have something that is set and forget for a period of 10+ years, then an air cooling solution can't be beat

 

[oxrufiioxo]

That's very long term prospects, though. I agree if you want to have something that is set and forget for a period of 10+ years, then an air cooling solution can't be beat

You are never going to change the mind of someone who has decided they don't like a specific type of hardware, The points they make are valid regardless of how unlikely someone in the real world will actually experiences any of the downsides of AIO cooling.

For my own personal computers I always use AIO have been for almost 2 decades at this point with 1 pump failure in that time which was replaced by corsair with a newer better model and zero leaks. I just hate dealing with massive chunks of metal attached to my motherboard I don't actually dislike air coolers though technically they are all air coolers unless you are running passive liquid cooling you are still relying on air to cool your components.

When I build for other people though I prefer air coolers unless they are wanting to use a cpu that consumes more than 200w at full load at that point in my experience the downsides of an aio outweigh using a tower air cooler.

Still people should look at the warranty which is most cases 5-6 years on most AIO and replace them at that interval, I've kept some as long as 10 years but I would more look at them as a through the warranty product. I don't keep tower air coolers longer than 2 builds either so around the same longevity with my usage habits.

The OP is obviously going for an aesthetics focus build though and it's hard to make a PC look nice with a tower air cooler. I did like the Aesthetics of the Deepcool Digital coolers before they got nuked by the US government for selling products to Russia or whatever.

 

[dgianstefani]

I've got nothing against watercooling. My own rig is watercooled.

But consumers buy these absurd $3-400 AIOs. They're still just AIOs, there's some economic and practical arguments for them at $75 sure, although the ewaste factor leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. They're not designed to last beyond x years, then it's into the bin.

For $300? Lmao. It's like putting lipstick on a pig or putting $750 racing tyres on a junkyard find. Just go to straight to the end result and build a custom loop, or don't bother and save yourself the hassle with air.

This... obsession with compromise and half baked solutions for stupid money.

The hilarious thing is seeing people put them on CPUs that don't even draw 100 W. It's so pointless.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I've got nothing against watercooling. My own rig is watercooled.

But consumers buy these absurd $3-400 AIOs. They're still just AIOs, there's some economic and practical arguments for them at $75 sure, although the ewaste factor leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. They're not designed to last beyond x years, then it's into the bin.

For $300? Lmao. It's like putting lipstick on a pig or putting $750 racing tyres on a junkyard find. Just go to straight to the end result and build a custom loop, or don't bother and save yourself the hassle with air.

This... obsession with compromise and half baked solutions for stupid money.

I agree, 3-400 usd aio are pretty stupid when 75-100 usd ones will perform the same with the largest difference usually the maximum RPM the fans run at.

That being said it seems like the OP wants 6 inch screen and that's only somthing the OP can decide if it's worth it to him. Me and you might find it a total waste of money but that money isn't coming out of our wallets.

He was willing to buy a 1000 usd motherboard becuase it has a 5 inch screen on it after all even though performance wise it will be margin of error different than a 3-400 usd one.

 

[Bill_Bright]

That's very long term prospects, though. I agree if you want to have something that is set and forget for a period of 10+ years, then an air cooling solution can't be beat

10 years? I assume you jest. Nevertheless, I say no alternative cooling solution should ever be "set and forget". Definitely not those solutions that include liquids - not just for the risk of leaks, but also scum build-up and more likely motor degradation.

Even a quality air cooler fan (and case fans too) can fail prematurely - and of course, there is dust. So even conventional cooling solutions require regular inspections. I used to think cases with side panel windows were just for flashy fashion. But now I insist my cases have them as I use them to take a quick peek inside to look for dust build up and spinning fans.

 

[Dr. Dro]

10 years? I assume you jest. Nevertheless, I say no alternative cooling solution should ever be "set and forget". Definitely not those solutions that include liquids - not just for the risk of leaks, but also scum build-up and more likely motor degradation.

Even a quality air cooler fan (and case fans too) can fail prematurely - and of course, there is dust. So even conventional cooling solutions require regular inspections. I used to think cases with side panel windows were just for flashy fashion. But now I insist my cases have them as I use them to take a quick peek inside to look for dust build up and spinning fans.

Yeah, I just meant longer term. Regular inspections on your hardware to ensure it's working well are necessary no matter the kind of cooling you're using, it's not much different from regular inspections on your car

 

[Oldschool297]

Thanks for the information. I got 6 years warranty for the Rog Ryuo IV SLC 360 ARGB. 2 for the display. I hope that they keep that warranty.

WarrantyAIO Cooler Module: 6 years. Display module: 2 years.

I guess that the display wont last longer then 2 years? If it can be turned off. Maybe i can save a lot of lifetime.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Thanks for the information. I got 6 years warranty for the Rog Ryuo IV SLC 360 ARGB. 2 for the display. I hope that they keep that warranty.

Just make sure yours is not one of these model numbers.... Adding fuel to the fire of what Digi and Bill was saying lol. Covered under warranty but still a headache.

Asus' costly AMOLED liquid cooler suffers from cooling degradation — company offers replacements for affected units

Some units may experience reduced cooling performance in prolonged high temperatures.

www.tomshardware.com

 

[dgianstefani]

Thanks for the information. I got 6 years warranty for the Rog Ryuo IV SLC 360 ARGB. 2 for the display. I hope that they keep that warranty.

WarrantyAIO Cooler Module: 6 years. Display module: 2 years.

I guess that the display wont last longer then 2 years? If it can be turned off. Maybe i can save a lot of lifetime.

Why buy a $400 cooler with a display just to turn it off.

 

[Oldschool297]

Thank you. 90 degress for over 72h, i will never get so high. But i will look my up. I have not got it yet. I meant that i could turn off the display when i am not looking at it, so it won't be turned on all the time. I do not know if that option is possible.

 

[Oldschool297]

I got it yesterday. The only way to install it in my Lian Li O11 Dynamic XL ROG chassi was this way. So it can reach the motherboard. Was it right? I do not have any suited motherboard to try with. Yet. There is a 9-pin USB 2.0 connector to the screen, i guess that i can try the screen on my ASRock Z590 OC Formula board?

 

[Bill_Bright]

It seems odd to me the hoses would be so short as to make one wonder if they would reach the CPU's mounting point.

Was it right?

Don't know but from here, it "looks" right.

Clearly, the length of the radiator indicates it is designed for cases with bottom mounted PSUs. And the fact the case supports a radiator up top indicates the case designers surely know the approximate distance to the CPU socket for any ATX compliant motherboard, and would therefore ensure the hoses would reach.

So assuming you don't have any extra hose length pinched between the case and radiator, I don't see how you can't have enough hose length.

 

[Oldschool297]

I thought about that to. I tried to fit it in to a motherboard that do no exist yet. The hoses will be a little curved but it seems to work. I only have a Asrock z590 OC Formula board that has LGA1200 and the AIO only supports 1700/1851. The measurements for LGA1200 and 1700/1851 must be very different.

 

[Bill_Bright]

The hoses will be a little curved but it seems to work.

To me, the curve is simply a safe, effective and aesthetically pleasing way to deal with a little extra length. A good thing.

 

[Oldschool297]

As hot air rises in the case. Is it good to have a radiator on the top?