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Asus Zenbook (UX3405MA) (Meteor Lake)

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Picked up one of these.


The tech specs for this unit:

Core Ultra 7 155H
32gb Ram
1TB SSD
14" oled.

What does that actually mean for you tech guys?

CPU: https://www.intel.com/content/www/u...-24m-cache-up-to-4-80-ghz/specifications.html

6p 8e and 2lp

RAM is LPDDR5: Specifically SK Hynix H58G66BK7BX067. CPU-Z and AIDA64 have differing ideas on if the RAM is dual or quad channel.

The drive is a WD SN560 1TB

This version is in ponder blue.

First impressions. I hate this SSD. Literally. I will replace it soon. It is slow if you are installing large things like VS or transferring data. It maxes out just a little north of 40c so its not thermal throttling but regardless im not impressed and dont trust this drive at all.

Moving on, heat. Sitting idle at desktop in a 68f room with chrome open, discord, telegram, on an otherwise clean install we were at about 48c lets see if we can fix that.

Pulling off the bottom was 7 tiny screws and the panel unclips.

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Pretty standard asus stuff here, nothing special. The heatsink can be removed without removing the fan.

Standard grey paste, great coverage, even amount, really no issues to speak of.

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Cleaning it off we get to see the various chiplets of gen 14 meteor lake. There are no surface mount SMDs topside which means I got my wifes clear nail polish for nothing.

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Now that its all clean and pretty, I squirt on some liquid metal. The base is copper with riveted aluminium arms. After screwing everything back together we pop the back on, making sure to snap all the clips in, then returned the bottom screws.

It should be noted they didnt hide any under any of the rubber feet. Additionally, I did remove the fan for fun, and it was very simple. The fan screws are in various sizes so keep that in mind. The case screws were all the same for the bottom plate.

After the work was complete. I booted it back up and let it idle. Opening all my programs again and letting it sit.

Before: 48c
After: 41c

Stress tests still max it out at around 86c but the system runs cooler overall even in my lap so we can hit higher clocks more frequently which is nice.





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Annoyingly windows update has not caught up with intel ARC drivers and keeps installing 5008. Instead of the newer driver.

The screen is gorgeous obviously. The keyboard isn't terrible, much like most other ultrabook keyboards. The keys are snappy, and the frame surrounding the keys doesn't flex which I like but all of this is personal preference.

The battery is good, but nothing to write home about. I could get away with using it all day if I wanted easily.

The fan isn't super loud, like tiny lenovo fan screeching which is nice, but with that said it offers no control. The BIOS is very modern and supports wifi though its forgotten everytime the bios is exited. The BIOS can be updated from within the bios itself ala an EZ-Flash kind of functionality, but Windows update will take care of that for you too.

Linux was hit or miss. You need 6.6 atleast for the arc drivers, but I had much better hardware detection with 6.7 RC releases. Ubuntu even with the latest 6.7-RC5 did not detect the wifi, even with a 14 hour old linux-firmware repo pull. OpenSuse tumblweed picked the wifi up fine but it seemed to work at reduced speed.

The majority of this I imagine will get ironed out soon in 6.7 release or the 6.8-RC series. Since wifi is really the only problem child the rest of the hardware has no issues getting detected as long as your on a newer kernel.

Formatting was an issue with windows. It didn't detect the drive and required manually loading the RST drivers. Additionally, it suffered from the same absent wifi drivers that affected linux.

Visual Studio even with the copilot extension didnt use the NPU at all. It makes sense, since there is nothing really downloaded locally, it would be nice if in the future some of these apps if you used them built a smaller DB locally that could be accelerated using both Intel and AMD NPUs.

Easy diffusion https://easydiffusion.github.io/docs/installation/

Didn't go much better. I know it's possible IIRC to add Intels openvino support, but it's still not available out of the box and as such still wont run on ARC let alone the NPU.



Aida64 is next up because I have time to kill. Here is a latency benchmark. We maxed out at 82C. Max power draw according to my inline USB-C meter was 63w. Which pretty much maxes out the included 65w power adapter.

It should be noted all of my tests are done on the balanced power plan. This laptop is not a desk queen and will be used like most everyday laptops are. On the couch, In meeting rooms, on a plane or train. So I never put them in power saving, or high performance. I also never shut down services or close apps. I want it to be as realistic as possible. For me anyway.



Gonna go do other stuff now. I like it. I wish it was a 13" but I don't mind 14" it's a better overall ultrabook package than intel has offered oems in the past imo. Will keep testing and running things in the coming days. But for first impressions this is serviceable with impressive GPU performance. A massive upgrade over Iris-XE.


3D Mark:

Speed Way: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/104655713?

Port Royal: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/104655986?

Solar Bay: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/104656698?

Time Spy: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/104656988?

Fire Strike: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/104657268?

Wild Life: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/104657353?

Night Raid: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/104657576?

Intel XeSS: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/104657737?
 
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Gonna go do other stuff now. I like it. I wish it was a 13" but I dont mind 14" its a better overall ultrabook package than intel has offered oems in the past imo. Will keep testing and running things in the coming days. But for first impressions this is servicable with impressive GPU performance. A massive upgrade over Iris-XE.

Nice laptop!

14" Zenbook is probably where you wanna be anyway. That's where all the interesting variety of hardware configurations are, and all the good high refresh OLED screens.

Zenbook S13 OLED remains way too expensive for no good reason: appalling cooling, 60Hz screens.

I would have thought single heatpipe and fan is a bit optimistic for Intel -H, though. Expected to see the MTL-H show up in the Zenbook 14X instead.
 
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Nice. From the screenshots I assume you have the 3K model.

Don't forget to "loctite" those screw threads you removed and replaced. I didn't on my zenbook, and after some weeks I noticed 2 screws were missing. They work lose easily once the blue loctite is broken.

Shame the SDcard slot is missing.
 

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mhm this is the 2.8k model. I dont care much about SD slots. but I do with it had a sim modem. I originally had my eyes set on a galaxy book4 but 16" is way too much. I dont prefer Asus laptops usually but this one isn't terrible. and has a great amount of horsepower for productivity on the go. I am happy to see we are edging passed 16gb in laptops.
 

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Ordered mine on launch date. Received on 12/16. Manufactured in Nov. Came with BIOS 202.

Ordered a Hynix P31 2TB together so that I can replace SSD upon receiving. However the case is using T5 Torx screws and I struggled to find the screwdriver.

The screen is not gorgeous at all. There are tiny black dots between pixels all over the place I heard it's for the touch sensor. But as the non-touch version is not released in US I will cope with it.

Briefly checked the PWM level with the slow-mo camera on phone, the duty cycle seems only to decrease below ~20% brightness and that's good. With Redshift in Linux and Night Light in Windows it's looking comfortable so far.

Disabled hyper threading in BIOS because I don't like it.

I installed LMDE 6 (debian 12). For devices to work:
  • VGA: Linux 6.7 (or 6.6 with i915.force_probe=7d55), and copy i915/mtl*, dg2_huc_gsc.bin from linux-firmware.git to /lib/firmware/i915/
  • OpenGL: Need mesa 23.x. I upgraded to debian trixie (13) and it starts to work.
  • Sound: Copy files from sof-bin/v2.8.x to /lib/firmware/intel/. The headphone jack is working and the cirrus speaker amp is still not working.
  • Wifi: Copy iwlwifi-ma-b0-gf-a0* from linux-firmware.git to /lib/firmware/
The Windows disk driver issue can be fixed by disabling VMD in BIOS, so that standard NVMe drivers can be used instead of iRST.

The touchpad and touch screen are using I2C interface, in Windows the Intel Serial I/O driver is needed.

The keyboard is using PS/2 interface...

In a debloated Win11 23H2 CPU package power in hwinfo64 stabilizes at 1.8W on idle, on battery, on balanced power plan, and 1.75W on the power saving plan. However after reinstalling Windows for a few times I can only get to 2.0W.

In Linux the CPU package power output by turbostat fluctuates between 1.0W and ~3W.

In Windows watching video with PotPlayer the CPU package power is ~5W, battery estimation shows 10-15h.

In Linux (cinnamon, x11) watching video with MPV the CPU package power is ~8W, battery estimation shows 6-8h. (how to fix?)

With the sysbench as load, P-cores uses ~8W/core, E-cores and LP-E-cores uses ~3W/core.

The HDMI port is not working well in both Linux and Windows.
 
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In a debloated Win11 23H2 CPU package power in hwinfo64 stabilizes at 1.8W on idle, on battery, on balanced power plan, and 1.75W on the power saving plan. However after reinstalling Windows for a few times I can only get to 2.0W.

In Linux the CPU package power output by turbostat fluctuates between 1.0W and ~3W.

In Windows watching video with PotPlayer the CPU package power is ~5W, battery estimation shows 10-15h.

In Linux (cinnamon, x11) watching video with MPV the CPU package power is ~8W, battery estimation shows 6-8h. (how to fix?)

With the sysbench as load, P-cores uses ~8W/core, E-cores and LP-E-cores uses ~3W/core.

The HDMI port is not working well in both Linux and Windows.

Pretty impressive for chiplets but I guess it's right in line with Foveros' advertised efficiency. How's whole system power draw through the battery, on idle?

I seem to remember that Intel package power metric is significantly more estimated vs. measured as on Ryzen, but maybe they've revamped power measurements to account for MTL's design. If minimum whole system idle is <5W and average at ~5W, that would confirm those excellent package power numbers.
 

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Pretty impressive for chiplets but I guess it's right in line with Foveros' advertised efficiency. How's whole system power draw through the battery, on idle?

I seem to remember that Intel package power metric is significantly more estimated vs. measured as on Ryzen, but maybe they've revamped power measurements to account for MTL's design. If minimum whole system idle is <5W and average at ~5W, that would confirm those excellent package power numbers.
The battery charge rate in hwinfo64 avgs at -4W on battery (screen is on)
 

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updated with all the primary 3dmark tests.

also bios 301 was released and marked as critical. It modified none of the bios options but did flash the ARC GPU.

From: 22.0.1031
To: 22.1.1035

 
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BIOS 301 seems to further reduce idle power draw by another 0.2-0.3W as seen in hwinfo64, compared to 203. However the system feels less smooth.

HDMI port in Linux can work now but can only go to 1440p@144 on a 1440p@240 HDMI 2.1 monitor. In Windows it's still not working by default even with resetting monitor profile with CRU, and can start to work by disabling FRL (and reducing TMDS rate to stop the interfering with touchpad) in CRU.
 
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nice, but many no use onboard RAM, but it's hard to avoid since today trend is getting slimmer and slimmer
 

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nice, but many no use onboard RAM, but it's hard to avoid since today trend is getting slimmer and slimmer

My last laptop had 16 and it was also soldered. I agree I dont like the idea of soldered ram. I think ECS tried it on big ATX mobos way way back. Unfortunetely laptops are considered disposable now. Atleast this has 32gb. As far as RAM amount goes, I should be able to stretch a machine like this well passed its life expectancy.

With that said for those that want to know.

0.5mm between nvme and mobo

2.0mm between top of nvme and case plate.

Keeps the new MP700 Pro at a cool 42C.
 

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nice, but many no use onboard RAM, but it's hard to avoid since today trend is getting slimmer and slimmer
RAM is more about rank configuration than size. Not sure about LPDDR5x, but with DDR5 as only 16Gb (and 24Gb) chips are manufactured, 16GB in dual channel will be 4 chips per dimm and is slower. Similarly with SSD, more nand chips is usually better if not using significantly more power, but manufacturers are trying to use less chips to save cost. Also DDR5 chips are getting dirt cheap, despite Apple still charges a large premium for the higher RAM macbooks.

If you want smaller memory in Windows, you can use bcdedit truncatememory. I used to do that a lot as (I believe) certain games work better with smaller total memory due to higher L3 hit rate and page table size, while I still need the bigger memory for rank configuration.
 
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RAM is more about rank configuration than size. Not sure about LPDDR5x, but with DDR5 as only 16Gb (and 24Gb) chips are manufactured, 16GB in dual channel will be 4 chips per dimm and is slower. Similarly with SSD, more nand chips is usually better if not using significantly more power, but manufacturers are trying to use less chips to save cost. Also DDR5 chips are getting dirt cheap, despite Apple still charges a large premium for the higher RAM macbooks.

If you want smaller memory in Windows, you can use bcdedit truncatememory. I used to do that a lot as (I believe) certain games work better with smaller total memory due to higher L3 hit rate and page table size, while I still need the bigger memory for rank configuration.
yeah, but my point is when they use soldered RAM and the form factor is thin you lose the upgrade capability
 

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yeah, but my point is when they use soldered RAM and the form factor is thin you lose the upgrade capability
While my point is on a ddr5 sodimm platform, you want a 8 chips per rank, 1 rank per dimm, 1 dimm per channel, dual channel config. With 16Gb chips (let's pretend the 24Gb chips do not exist) it's exactly 32GB. There is no upgrade.

Really hope there can be ways to change the memory timings, or at least play with the SAGV points. The 120ns+ memory latency is insane.
 

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Maybe, but that isnt about this laptop specifically and belongs in its own thread regarding mobile memory config for this gen if you want to explore it further, assuming there is nothing to show specifically for this laptop.

Right now im waiting for things like CPU-Z and AIDA atleast on windows to catchup. There is disparity in how it is reading it and no one software appears to support the platform in totality yet. It would be nice to make adjustments, but im not sure it will be a reality given the previous track record with OEMs and soldered modules.
 

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Just got this laptop yesterday! I bought it from the UK Asus store and it came with the latest BIOS pre-installed (301)

I am having trouble getting close to scores achieved by reviewers in Cinebench R24 that apparently have the latest BIOS installed but they don't state if it's 301. To be fair the results aren't super far off but still.

Is it possible Asus have restricted power in the latest BIOS to prevent so much fan noise & heat?

 

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With Linux 6.7.6 and pinning init process to E-cores, I'm getting insane long idle battery life. This is with screen on at 51% brightness and wifi connected.

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Also when using the 8 E-cores to build the linux kernel, the CPU package power is at 17W, temperature at around 70°C and does not throttle.
 

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Did anyone mange to get video decoding working with vaapi / Intel media driver? It sort of plays but the stride or pixel format appears wrong.
 
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Can the fan on these be controlled from within Linux? I see there's some modules available for other ASUS models, but not sure if this one is supported by anything yet.

(also, thanks for the excellent write-ups for those who posted them, super useful!)
 

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Looking back at windows I HATE Asus in regards to drivers.

There publishing time is really slow. The current driver that windows update wants to install is from Dec. Of course this can be disabled, but generally speaking its irritating to see Asus do this. Other cards, and other laptops dont suffer so.

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Additionally I noticed that while the laptop is "Evo" certified, the shared memory architecture seems to prevent rebar.

Its not enabled and has no control function in the bios. (As of 304) Like I mentioned I am assuming this is because of shared memory.
 
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