Battery backup power supply

[NTM2003]

Looking to get a battery backup power supply. I do have a Normal power supply but I’m thinking battery backup is good for high end rigs. I’m looking at APC or cyperpower both with 900watts battery backup

Here’s one I’m looking at now APC Smart-UPS 1500VA UPS Battery Backup with Pure Sine Wave Output (SMC1500) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007ZT2KKM/?tag=tec06d-20

2nd choice

CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD PFC Sinewave UPS System, 1500VA/900W, 10 Outlets, AVR, Mini-Tower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00429N19W/?tag=tec06d-20

 

[jboydgolfer]

I know it's not on topic exactly, but as a "ghetto mod" of sorts. I have used a portable car jumper pack as a power source with a 600watt AC inverter (during power outages) as a power source for temporary reasons, or for Charging a device ,etc.... It works , but not for long at regular use.

 

[NTM2003]

I used my old battery backup as a charger to when my power goes out but gave it away to a friend but I'm thinking that 900watts will last least a few hours charging a phone.

 

[jboydgolfer]

I used my old battery backup as a charger to when my power goes out but gave it away to a friend but I'm thinking that 900watts will last least a few hours charging a phone.

oh hell yea. My 600W lasts a long time running a fan, so id imagine a single phone would be of no issue.

 

[NTM2003]

I'm wondering if it will run my modem and router to since I have DSL, I'm thinking it will during a outage

 

[eidairaman1]

I'm wondering if it will run my modem and router to since I have DSL, I'm thinking it will during a outage

Get the biggest you can for the money, otherwise a home generator...

 

[NTM2003]

The apc one seems to cover that part the money part ain’t a issue for me. Hopefully the battery’s don’t cost as much as the unit it’s self when they go bad.

 

[jboydgolfer]

I'm wondering if it will run my modem and router

I consider the same thing but the only problem for me is if the powers out ,its almost certain the Internet and phone will be out, because
have broadband. So what I've tried is provide portable backup power to the modem/router, and then use a cell phone as a network provider (my router allows for multiple isp/network siurces). But this isnt a great fix since there's great limitations with mobile network and the trouble just isn't worth the pay off for me.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I'm wondering if it will run my modem and router to since I have DSL, I'm thinking it will during a outage

1500VA is more than enough to provide 30 minutes or longer of backup power for your computer and network gear.

I have an APC 1500VA BackUPS UPS on this system. It provides protection for this computer (see my System Specs) plus my cable modem, Netgear wireless router, and 4-port Ethernet switch. And note I have two 24" LCD monitors on this system.

Right now as I type this in my browser while streaming Pandora, according to the LCD display panel, this UPS will provide 55 minutes of backup power. Killing power to one monitor and I have an estimated 78 minutes.

If I shutdown this computer during a power outage, the UPS will keep my network alive for about 4 hours so I can still access the Internet via my wifi connected devices (if their batteries have not died!).

BTW, it is important to understand backup power during a power outage is only a minor bonus feature for using a "good" UPS with AVR (automatic voltage regulation). It is the 24/7/365 AVR feature protecting your connected devices from powerline anomalies that is the primary feature and reason to use a "good" UPS on our computers. Surge and spike protectors (S&SP) are little more than fancy and expensive extension cords as they do nothing for low voltage events like dips (opposite of spikes), sags (opposite of surges) or brownouts (long duration sags). And for excessive surges and spikes, they simply shut off power (if working properly), hard-crashing your computer - never good.

Also, never connect a UPS to a S&SP. Likewise, never connect a S&SP to a UPS. The AVR circuits may see the power coming from a S&SP as "dirty". And if on the output side, the AVR circuits may see the load as unstable.

And FTR, don't buy into the falsehood you don't need a "good" UPS with AVR if you live in a country with a stable power grid. Any major appliance in your home can produce destructive anomalies. Refrigerators, water coolers, microwave ovens, toasters all send surges, spikes, dips and sags EVERY TIME they cycle on and off.

Advanced, more expensive high-wattage appliances may attempt to suppress dumping such anomalies on the circuit – "IF" they are not damaged and are working properly. But low-tech cheap appliances will not. A cheap, $15, 1500W hair dryer made in some obscure factory in the backwoods of China, using parts from a similar factory upriver, comes to mind.

Whole-house surge arrestors may protect your equipment from surges coming off the "grid" - such as lightning hitting the transformer on the pole down the street. That is where most destructive surges will come from - most, but not all. Whole-house arrestors do not protect you from surges and spikes that are generated by other high-wattage devices within your own home or office. And of course, they do absolutely nothing for low-voltage anomalies that can cause your computer to suddenly crash.

While APCs tend to cost a bit more, I still prefer them (though I have nothing against Cyberpower). FTR, I also have a good UPS on my home entertainment system (Onkyo receiver, cable/DVR, Blu-ray player, Roku, and 55" OLED TV), and even my garage door opener! Hey! I live in Tornado Alley!

 

[peche]

well, i was about to comment, the noticed that our friend @Bill_Bright stole my comment! so ...

1500VA is more than enough to provide 30 minutes or longer of backup power for your computer and network gear.

I have an APC 1500VA BackUPS UPS on this system. It provides protection for this computer (see my System Specs) plus my cable modem, Netgear wireless router, and 4-port Ethernet switch. And note I have two 24" LCD monitors on this system.

Right now as I type this in my browser while streaming Pandora, according to the LCD display panel, this UPS will provide 55 minutes of backup power. Killing power to one monitor and I have an estimated 78 minutes.

If I shutdown this computer during a power outage, the UPS will keep my network alive for about 4 hours so I can still access the Internet via my wifi connected devices (if their batteries have not died!).

BTW, it is important to understand backup power during a power outage is only a minor bonus feature for using a "good" UPS with AVR (automatic voltage regulation). It is the 24/7/365 AVR feature protecting your connected devices from powerline anomalies that is the primary feature and reason to use a "good" UPS on our computers. Surge and spike protectors (S&SP) are little more than fancy and expensive extension cords as they do nothing for low voltage events like dips (opposite of spikes), sags (opposite of surges) or brownouts (long duration sags). And for excessive surges and spikes, they simply shut off power (if working properly), hard-crashing your computer - never good.

Also, never connect a UPS to a S&SP. Likewise, never connect a S&SP to a UPS. The AVR circuits may see the power coming from a S&SP as "dirty". And if on the output side, the AVR circuits may see the load as unstable.

And FTR, don't buy into the falsehood you don't need a "good" UPS with AVR if you live in a country with a stable power grid. Any major appliance in your home can produce destructive anomalies. Refrigerators, water coolers, microwave ovens, toasters all send surges, spikes, dips and sags EVERY TIME they cycle on and off.

Advanced, more expensive high-wattage appliances may attempt to suppress dumping such anomalies on the circuit – "IF" they are not damaged and are working properly. But low-tech cheap appliances will not. A cheap, $15, 1500W hair dryer made in some obscure factory in the backwoods of China, using parts from a similar factory upriver, comes to mind.

Whole-house surge arrestors may protect your equipment from surges coming off the "grid" - such as lightning hitting the transformer on the pole down the street. That is where most destructive surges will come from - most, but not all. Whole-house arrestors do not protect you from surges and spikes that are generated by other high-wattage devices within your own home or office. And of course, they do absolutely nothing for low-voltage anomalies that can cause your computer to suddenly crash.

While APCs tend to cost a bit more, I still prefer them (though I have nothing against Cyberpower). FTR, I also have a good UPS on my home entertainment system (Onkyo receiver, cable/DVR, Blu-ray player, Roku, and 55" OLED TV), and even my garage door opener! Hey! I live in Tornado Alley!

+1... i do have a back UPS Pro 1000Va, kicking arses since 2012! no bettery replaced yet, service revision this January, still rocking like a champ!

Regards,

 

[NTM2003]

I think I go with the apc one I’ve had that brand before with the battery back up but I gave it to a friend had it for years and the battery is still working good

 

[Jetster]

Ether one is fine

I have the Cyberpower one. No complaints

 

[Vayra86]

1500VA is more than enough to provide 30 minutes or longer of backup power for your computer and network gear.

I have an APC 1500VA BackUPS UPS on this system. It provides protection for this computer (see my System Specs) plus my cable modem, Netgear wireless router, and 4-port Ethernet switch. And note I have two 24" LCD monitors on this system.

Right now as I type this in my browser while streaming Pandora, according to the LCD display panel, this UPS will provide 55 minutes of backup power. Killing power to one monitor and I have an estimated 78 minutes.

If I shutdown this computer during a power outage, the UPS will keep my network alive for about 4 hours so I can still access the Internet via my wifi connected devices (if their batteries have not died!).

BTW, it is important to understand backup power during a power outage is only a minor bonus feature for using a "good" UPS with AVR (automatic voltage regulation). It is the 24/7/365 AVR feature protecting your connected devices from powerline anomalies that is the primary feature and reason to use a "good" UPS on our computers. Surge and spike protectors (S&SP) are little more than fancy and expensive extension cords as they do nothing for low voltage events like dips (opposite of spikes), sags (opposite of surges) or brownouts (long duration sags). And for excessive surges and spikes, they simply shut off power (if working properly), hard-crashing your computer - never good.

Also, never connect a UPS to a S&SP. Likewise, never connect a S&SP to a UPS. The AVR circuits may see the power coming from a S&SP as "dirty". And if on the output side, the AVR circuits may see the load as unstable.

And FTR, don't buy into the falsehood you don't need a "good" UPS with AVR if you live in a country with a stable power grid. Any major appliance in your home can produce destructive anomalies. Refrigerators, water coolers, microwave ovens, toasters all send surges, spikes, dips and sags EVERY TIME they cycle on and off.

Advanced, more expensive high-wattage appliances may attempt to suppress dumping such anomalies on the circuit – "IF" they are not damaged and are working properly. But low-tech cheap appliances will not. A cheap, $15, 1500W hair dryer made in some obscure factory in the backwoods of China, using parts from a similar factory upriver, comes to mind.

Whole-house surge arrestors may protect your equipment from surges coming off the "grid" - such as lightning hitting the transformer on the pole down the street. That is where most destructive surges will come from - most, but not all. Whole-house arrestors do not protect you from surges and spikes that are generated by other high-wattage devices within your own home or office. And of course, they do absolutely nothing for low-voltage anomalies that can cause your computer to suddenly crash.

While APCs tend to cost a bit more, I still prefer them (though I have nothing against Cyberpower). FTR, I also have a good UPS on my home entertainment system (Onkyo receiver, cable/DVR, Blu-ray player, Roku, and 55" OLED TV), and even my garage door opener! Hey! I live in Tornado Alley!

Very informative but I really have to correct you on the stable power grid / need UPS anyway part: no - you really don't and I could count the outages on one hand probably. In some countries. I have never used one and not once has this been an issue across 30 years. We either have power or we don't. Now more recently with more cheap Chinese product you may hear some other reports but even our appliances are well built and there are a lot of checks in place to ensure this is a universal fact in consumer goods.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I used my old battery backup as a charger to when my power goes out but gave it away to a friend but I'm thinking that 900watts will last least a few hours charging a phone.

Pretty sure that CyberPower uses two 12 volt DC, 9 Ah batteries. Assuming the batteries have that much charge, you have 18 Ah worth of juice before it switches off to save itself.

If your equipment is drawing 400w, it's likely to not have much more than 5 minutes of run time.


APC quality has fallen since Schneider Electric bought it out. CyberPower tends to offer more bang for the buck.

+1... i do have a back UPS Pro 1000Va, kicking arses since 2012! no bettery replaced yet, service revision this January, still rocking like a champ!

Five years is the upper limit for SLA batteries. My guess is that if you cut the power with load, they're going to crap out within a minute. I highly recommend replacing them.

If I shutdown this computer during a power outage, the UPS will keep my network alive for about 4 hours so I can still access the Internet via my wifi connected devices (if their batteries have not died!).

Because network equipment uses very little power. I have 3 HDHomeRun EXTENDs, a 24-port managed switch, a router, a PoE injector, and a 3/8-port coax amplifer/distributor all plugged into one UPS and it only draws 40 watts.


I need to run self-test on my 1350VA UPSs anyway so...

210w load, 21 min estimate, 100% battery capacity -> 10 min estimate, 66% battery capacity: expecting 14 Ah, got 9.24 Ah.

137w load, 36 min estimate, 100% battery capacity -> 14 min estimate: 43% battery capacity: expecting 14 Ah, got 6.02 Ah. I should seriously consider replacing these.

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[NTM2003]

Well I have my pc plugged into it that has a 750psu but I won’t think that matters with how much the watts is in the apc but 900watts should be plenty of power to last to give me time to shut down my pc when the power goes out

 

[Bill_Bright]

Very informative but I really have to correct you on the stable power grid / need UPS anyway part: no - you really don't and I could count the outages on one hand probably.

Sadly, you completely missed the point. Did you just stop reading my comment at that point? Did you totally ignore or didn't understand the big bold underscored "IF"?

I said,

• "IF" the major appliances are not damaged and are working properly.
• Power during "outages" is just a minor bonus feature.
• And of course, rules and regulations mean nothing if not adhered to. Many companies are notorious for putting counterfeit UL and other safety labels on their products with the hopes they will get by customs. And many do.
  
  
• And of course, even the best quality products can be damaged during transport or mishandling.

Five years is the upper limit for SLA batteries. My guess is that if you cut the power with load, they're going to crap out within a minute. I highly recommend replacing them.

I agree. I would start researching the various battery supply sites. I NEVER buy from the UPS maker. They charge way too much. I buy my UPS batteries from Apex, BatteryWholesale, Battery Mart, or Batteryplex, depending on who has the best price at the time (factoring in shipping, which can be significant, but sometimes free).

 

[peche]

Five years is the upper limit for SLA batteries. My guess is that if you cut the power with load, they're going to crap out within a minute. I highly recommend replacing them.

thanks for the tip. device was fully inspected by APC dealer or partner here, where i did purchased it, they also extended my warranty another year since September 2017!

I agree. I would start researching the various battery supply sites. I NEVER buy from the UPS maker. They charge way too much. I buy my UPS batteries from Apex, BatteryWholesale, Battery Mart, or Batteryplex, depending on who has the best price at the time (factoring in shipping, which can be significant, but sometimes free).

well recived advise, unfortunately there only 2 parts here, OEM from APC or Chinese generic, so APC or die,


Regards,

 

[Bill_Bright]

hey also extended my warranty another year since September 2017!

But warranties typically do not cover the batteries.

I have a table lamp with 2 sockets. I also have two 150W bulbs. I use them to test my UPS. I plug the lamp in, turn on the bulbs and pull the UPS plug from the wall. If it does not hold power for at least 5 minutes, it is time to shop around for batteries.

Note the idea is not to provide power so you can keep on gaming. It is first, to protect your connected devices from anomalies (either from the grid, or from faulty in-house devices). And second, to provide enough "runtime" to let you finish your sentence, save your work and "gracefully" shutdown Windows and your computer.

OEM from APC or Chinese generic, so APC or die,

I hear you but what I am saying is if you peal off the APC label, you likely will find a Chinese generic underneath!

 

[jsfitz54]

2nd choice

CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD PFC Sinewave UPS System, 1500VA/900W, 10 Outlets, AVR, Mini-Tower https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00429N19W/?tag=tec06d-20

This goes on sale at Newegg for as low as $135.00 USD. If you want to wait or shop.

 

[peche]

But warranties typically do not cover the batteries.

I have a table lamp with 2 sockets. I also have two 150W bulbs. I use them to test my UPS. I plug the lamp in, turn on the bulbs and pull the UPS plug from the wall. If it does not hold power for at least 5 minutes, it is time to shop around for batteries.

Note the idea is not to provide power so you can keep on gaming. It is first, to protect your connected devices from anomalies (either from the grid, or from faulty in-house devices). And second, to provide enough "runtime" to let you finish your sentence, save your work and "gracefully" shutdown Windows and your computer.

last outage battery gave me like 45 minutes full stand by to my rig.... net equipment and ipod suffle charging, guess still ok

I hear you but what I am saying is if you peal off the APC label, you likely will find a Chinese generic underneath!

when i mean Chinese generic ones i mean mostly like this:

 

[Elephant Rider]

I've had that exact CyberPower one for about a year. Zero complaints. Well one I guess... It had that weird super plastic smell when I first got it, but the smell is long gone now. I even have my monitor, modem, and router hooked up to it. Doesn't last long if I'm gaming and the power goes out, but it seems like I can surf the net pretty good for about 30 minutes on it. It'll stay on even longer than that if I don't do anything.

 

[NTM2003]

Is the big apc one good on energy saving money on the power bill or does it make the power bill go up?

 

[Jetster]

Is the big apc one good on energy saving money on the power bill or does it make the power bill go up?

It shouldn't effect your power bill

 

[NTM2003]

Some people say it takes up a lot and some people say it don’t but it looks like it comes with software or something for the pc I’m guessing

 

[Jetster]

Yes software and a USB cable so it can shut down the PC when the power goes out