Best GPU around 800€?

[GrimReaper85]

I was checking ebay.de and I saw a 4070 Ti SUPER for only a little above 800€. That made me thinking.

1. 4070 Ti SUPER - 800€, performance -15% 4080
2. 9070 XT - I predict around 800€ for AIB cards if MSRP will be $600 for MBA card, that means at least $650 for some AIB card which is 800€ in DE.
Performance predictions are around 4080 in raster and between 4070 Ti and 4070 Ti SUPER in RT. And RT is the future, so not much better card than 4070 Ti SUPER.
3. 5070 Ti - $750. But I just don't see this being any cheaper than 4070 Ti SUPER was on release, even if it was $800 or 900€. I still somehow don't see 5070 Ti being below 900€, somehow I can see even 1050€ on release day and 900€ only after 3 weeks or so, at least that was the case with 4080. Because my thinking is $750 is FE MSRP anyway and I don't think we will see any MSRP cards, maybe just a few cards that will go out of stock immediately. For example only 100 pieces Gigabyte Windforce non-OC at MSRP and then $50-100 more for Windforce OC which will have a few 1000 pieces.
And performance prediction is only +3-5% 4070 Ti SUPER. Basically even a little worse P/P than 4070 Ti SUPER and same or a little worse P/W (it consumes 5% more but it will be at best +5% faster).
Also FG is a joke. They market it as 200-250% performance of 4070 Ti, but in reality it is 75% of native performance as Hardware Unboxed showed. Tim says it is not even a performance boosting technology, but Nvidia doesn't disclaim that under their graphs, so they are misleading the public. Now half the people think FG will boost their frame rate and it will come for free, nothing is free in this world.
Some good comments from that video:

I love how it works best when you don't need it, and worse when you do

I'm glad you highlighted that you actually lose native rendered FPS when you enable frame gen as this isn't information that is ever really spoken about.

So basically, the best time to enable frame gen is almost never.

If my base framerate (before FG) is 100-120 FPS, I won't enable that feature at all

Tbh, if my rig could already hit 60-100 FPS which is needed for MFG to work correctly, I think I'd prefer to just stick with 60-100 FPS and have a nice clear render.

It would be smarter to wait 2 weeks for 5070 Ti and 7 weeks for 9070 XT, but judging from previous releases, I think my predictions for 9070 XT and 5070 Ti are correct. We 100% sure won't get 9070 XT for 700€ and 5070 Ti for 800€. That's practically a given as we already know MSRP's, $750 and if 9070 XT will be $650 it's a DOA card anyway as that will be more than 4070 Ti SUPER already is.

So if I can get a 4070 Ti SUPER for 800-830€, I just buy it and forget the new cards?
It's actually rarely the case we can consider buying previous gen just before next gen releases, but RTX 50 is almost the same as RTX 40, it's like GeForce 9 to GeForce 8.
Nvidia actually doesn't want you to do that, they always discontinue the old products before new ones come and they don't ever discount them. That's why I'm not looking at 900€ cards from retail stores like Mindfactory and Computer Universe, but rather some good deals on ebay.de.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Impossible to know till march after everything is out.

I'd expect the 5070ti to be 15% ish slower than the 5080 just looking at it's specs it's cut down about 20% but card don't scale perfectly up.

9070XT who knows at this point till we actually get some reviews I wouldn't even trust whatever perfomance claims amd makes pre launch remember this is the same company that tried to claim 5000XT parts were faster than Raptorlake in gaming by using a RX6600 lmao.

Personally I'd wait even if you don't care for frame generation the 5000 series has better support for the transformer dlss which isn't a big upgrade imho but also the 5070ti will probably be 10-15% faster than the 4070ti super and you only have 3 weeks to find out.

 

[GrimReaper85]

Reviews 19th February, that's 15 days. Yes, for sure that is worth the wait. Though it will be too expensive for me in the first weeks anyway.

MLID says Blackwell doesn't scale well, as was seen with 5090 (flagship rarely does, as was already seen on 4090, but it is strange for 5080) and 5080. So he only predicts +3% 4070 Ti SUPER, though with my calculations of Nvidia 5080 4 game graphs without FG vs. Hardware Unboxed 5080 17 Game Average and this translated to Nvidia 4 game tests without FG of 5070 Ti compared to 4070 Ti, it should be more like +5%.
So if it is anything like 5090 and 5080, it just won't be +10-15% 4070 Ti SUPER. But for sure +10-15% of 4070 Ti.

 

[Macro Device]

First and foremost, I wouldn't recommend you even looking at that Schrödinger's cat inside a bag filled with a metric gallon of no nonsense radioactive "we told you so" nonsense and only Lisa Su knows what and how much else is inside this bag a.k.a. 9070 XT because even in the best case scenario it'll only best 4080 in some games and we already have a GPU that can do it but without paying this "cat in a bag" tax, and it's called 5070 Ti which, obviously, won't sell for its recommended price for a while, and, obviously, will be marginally better than 4080 or worse. Depending on how lucky you are with overclocking.

So, it's not actually a "best 800-eurobuck GPU" contest but rather "should I buy a 4070 Ti for eight hundred or should I buy a 4080/5070 Ti for what's essentially more than that." And I can't decide if this +15% is worth it.

P.S. My soul hurts when people write Euro sign behind the sum. It's €800, not 800€. Yikes.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The 5080 is a good clocker the majority seem to get 10%+ over the reference card as well so unless Nvidia artificially locks it down I expect the 5070ti to be a decent clocker as well.

MLID isn't the best person to get perfomance numbers he usually uses a really wide range and even if the 9070XT matches the 4080 in cod only he'll try to spin it. Don't get me wrong the 9070XT might end up being awesome but I'd wait for reviews just like with the 5070ti to judge.

I expect more availability in this segment solely based on possible competition from AMD, Nvidia hates to lose.

 

[Zach_01]

I was checking ebay.de and I saw a 4070 Ti SUPER for only a little above 800€. That made me thinking.

1. 4070 Ti SUPER - 800€, performance -15% 4080
2. 9070 XT - I predict around 800€ for AIB cards if MSRP will be $600 for MBA card, that means at least $650 for some AIB card which is 800€ in DE.
Performance predictions are around 4080 in raster and between 4070 Ti and 4070 Ti SUPER in RT. And RT is the future, so not much better card than 4070 Ti SUPER.
3. 5070 Ti - $750. But I just don't see this being any cheaper than 4070 Ti SUPER was on release, even if it was $800 or 900€. I still somehow don't see 5070 Ti being below 900€, somehow I can see even 1050€ on release day and 900€ only after 3 weeks or so, at least that was the case with 4080. Because my thinking is $750 is FE MSRP anyway and I don't think we will see any MSRP cards, maybe just a few cards that will go out of stock immediately. For example only 100 pieces Gigabyte Windforce non-OC at MSRP and then $50-100 more for Windforce OC which will have a few 1000 pieces.
And performance prediction is only +3-5% 4070 Ti SUPER. Basically even a little worse P/P than 4070 Ti SUPER and same or a little worse P/W (it consumes 5% more but it will be at best +5% faster).
Also FG is a joke. They market it as 200-250% performance of 4070 Ti, but in reality it is 75% of native performance as Hardware Unboxed showed. Tim says it is not even a performance boosting technology, but Nvidia doesn't disclaim that under their graphs, so they are misleading the public. Now half the people think FG will boost their frame rate and it will come for free, nothing is free in this world.
Some good comments from that video:






It would be smarter to wait 2 weeks for 5070 Ti and 7 weeks for 9070 XT, but judging from previous releases, I think my predictions for 9070 XT and 5070 Ti are correct. We 100% sure won't get 9070 XT for 700€ and 5070 Ti for 800€. That's practically a given as we already know MSRP's, $750 and if 9070 XT will be $650 it's a DOA card anyway as that will be more than 4070 Ti SUPER already is.

So if I can get a 4070 Ti SUPER for 800-830€, I just buy it and forget the new cards?
It's actually rarely the case we can consider buying previous gen just before next gen releases, but RTX 50 is almost the same as RTX 40, it's like GeForce 9 to GeForce 8.
Nvidia actually doesn't want you to do that, they always discontinue the old products before new ones come and they don't ever discount them. That's why I'm not looking at 900€ cards from retail stores like Mindfactory and Computer Universe, but rather some good deals on ebay.de.

Given the fact that the *differences between 4070Ti Super and 5070Ti are smaller than what the 4080 Super and 5080 have I expect that 5070Ti wont be more than 8~10% faster.

*Including compute units, clock and power increase.

I expect the 5070Ti to land right between the 4070Ti Super and 4080 Super.

I also expect that the price of 5070Ti in EU wont be under 1000€.
More likely will be at 1100€ given the fact that are no FE cards here and there is an additional 20~26% VAT depending the country + the low availability + high demand/hype.

5070Ti FE: $750 = 735€ + 20~26% = 880~940€ + 100~150€ (ΑΙΒ) = 1000~1100€ or even more.

The 9070XT could end up around the 5070Ti too in raster and around 4070Ti Super for RT. If its a better value or not, it will depend on its price.
I believe also that AMD will have higher availability from day1.

9070ΧΤ/9070 according to the latest rumors will be on the market by the end of March.
Also RDNA4 is on a slightly better node than RTX5000 that could also mean nice overclockability. Wondering why are some 9070XT variants with 3x8pin...

Worth waiting?
Up to you...