Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation

the_miracle · Feb 28, 2020

Yes, thats another option. Login by it and create new local account in system and erase ms accout after.

TheoneandonlyMrK · Feb 28, 2020

P4-630 said:
Confirmed: Windows 10 Setup Now Prevents Local Account Creation

Windows 10 Home now forces you to create a Microsoft account during the setup process. (Unless you disconnect your PC from the network, but most people will find that.)

www.howtogeek.com

How to Create a Local User Account Instead
Thankfully, there is one hidden way around this process on Windows 10 Home: You can disconnect your computer from the network.

If you have a computer with an Ethernet cable, unplug it. If you’re connected to Wi-Fi, disconnect.

After you do, try creating a Microsoft account and you’ll see a “Something went wrong” error message. You can then click “Skip” to skip the Microsoft account creation process.

Once you’ve skipped the Microsoft account creation, the old “Who’s going to use this PC?” screen will appear. You can now create an offline account and sign in to Windows 10 without a Microsoft account—the option was there all along.

Even if you have a laptop with Wi-Fi, Windows 10 asks you to connect to your wireless network before reaching this part of the process. Most people will connect to the network and think a Microsoft account is required.

Perhaps a future version of Windows 10 will refuse to allow account creation until you’re connected to the internet. “After all,” Microsoft might say, “Telemetry shows most people just create Microsoft accounts.”

This is yet another dark pattern from the company that brought us “Upgrade now or upgrade tonight” during Windows 10’s free upgrade period.

Local account creation worked for me on Wednesday, it pushes the ms account hard but was easy enough to skip.
They are not perfect though I was forced to reinstall OS for a customer after a OS as is carry over system swap.
Left it working ,my guy updated, it required re activating?(like I didn't check) then self shafted on reboot with no usb stick able to fix it.

jsalpha2 · Mar 4, 2020

I went on to the create a new Microsoft account screen, then went back a screen. The create local account instead option appeared.

newtekie1 · Mar 4, 2020

the_miracle said:
no, it is not possible

I just did it yesterday, so yes it is.

Jetster · May 3, 2020

I just did a new install of 1909 using Windows 10 media creator USB.

Installed with local account only and no log in from the gate. For my HTPC
The option was right at the bottom of the install screen. So if it was removed, its back

FordGT90Concept · May 3, 2020

What showed up on the Network section?

If wired -> automatically connects -> local account options removed -> demands online ID.
If wireless -> asks you to connect to a wireless network -> local account option appears -> can create local admin account.

If Windows 10 doesn't have the driver to run your NIC then you won't be forced into online ID.

Shou Miko · May 3, 2020

At work I usually never let the computer online during Windows 10 installation during it like this it's forces you to create a local/offline account because it cannot reach Microsoft's server.

If Microsoft choose to remove this feature completely they have to make sure that drivers for all ethernet cards that was ever created had to be in the installer to make sure that every device can access the internet and their servers.

Jetster · May 3, 2020

FordGT90Concept said:
What showed up on the Network section?

If wired -> automatically connects -> local account options removed -> demands online ID.
If wireless -> asks you to connect to a wireless network -> local account option appears -> can create local admin account.

If Windows 10 doesn't have the driver to run your NIC then you won't be forced into online ID.

I made the USB install media yesterday. Using the Windows media creator web site

It was connected wired to the network. Local account option was there.

It did say if you use a local account option some features will not be available

Also this was a clean install. New 1 Tb SSD on an old system. License was transferred. Did not have to inter the license during the install

I still haven't installed any motherboard drivers Gigabyte H97. Device Manager looks good

Vayra86 · May 3, 2020

Oh MS, you rascal. You never learn, do you

You're not like the other kids. We expect you to behave.

Inb4 next EU lawsuit and accompanying fine.

windwhirl · May 3, 2020

Jetster said:
I just did a new install of 1909 using Windows 10 media creator USB.

Installed with local account only and no log in from the gate. For my HTPC
The option was right at the bottom of the install screen. So if it was removed, its back

This (EDIT for clarification: as in forcing MS account during setup) only happens with Windows 10 Home, not Pro.

I myself tested this a few minutes ago with a virtual machine. As long as W10 Home has internet access during setup, it forces you to use Microsoft accounts.

EDIT: nevermind, my mistake.

FordGT90Concept · May 3, 2020

What I described was actually Windows 10 Pro. 1903 didn't do it but 1909 did.

It's possible they changed the installer for 1909. I'm still using what I put on it many months ago. I don't see much sense in updating to test because 2004 is launching soon.

windwhirl · May 3, 2020

FordGT90Concept said:
What I described was actually Windows 10 Pro. 1903 didn't do it but 1909 did.

It's possible they changed the installer for 1909. I'm still using what I put on it many months ago. I don't see much sense in updating to test because 2004 is launching soon.

Regional differences, then? Because I set up Windows 10 Pro 1909 last week on my previous machine (a Core i3 one), connected to the internet through Ethernet, and although setting up a Microsoft account is the default, I got a choice for a local account on the same screen, on the lower left side... And this is all invalid because I dun goofed

windwhirl said:
Nevermind what I said, for whatever reason I had wrongly labeled the ISO files in my computer. Realized it when I re-checked the setup program, called the CMD and checked the version number. 18362 is 1903, 18363 is 1909.

FordGT90Concept · May 3, 2020

Maybe? Because of EU lawsuits, it's possible they only force internet accounts in USA. Setup could easily tell country by IP when it hits their server.

Jetster location is in USA though so maybe not.

Are you using a more recent image of 1909? If yes, then it would confirm what Jetster said: they updated the 1909 installer to not force internet accounts.

SL2 · May 3, 2020

Why anyone would install W10 while connected to internet ever is beyond me, I've never done it.

First, I want to remove any pending apps in Start waiting to be downloaded before connecting, Candy Crush is/was one of them IIRC.
Yeah sure you can just delete them later with PS together with anything else you don't want, but why install them in the first place?

Second, I want to set up OO shutup before connecting.

I installed the .207 version two weeks ago with a local account,

Jetster · May 3, 2020

Mats said:
Why anyone would install W10 while connected to internet ever is beyond me, I've never done it.

I've never done it without being connected. Never have any of those issues.

I did an install about a year ago and it didn't have the local account option available. So many variables not sure what that was about. Anyway yes I installed Pro this time.
Personally I think they got the message and fixed it. The service that would not be available with a local account was MS cloud service. So that was probably the push to advertise it

windwhirl · May 3, 2020

FordGT90Concept said:
Are you using a more recent image of 1909? If yes, then it would confirm what Jetster said: they updated the 1909 installer to not force internet accounts.

Nevermind what I said, for whatever reason I had wrongly labeled the ISO files in my computer. Realized it when I re-checked the setup program, called the CMD and checked the version number. 18362 is 1903, 18363 is 1909. Redownloading now to check again...

Totally · May 3, 2020

Bill_Bright said:
I typically defend Windows. And I still do. This is NOT a Windows, the OS, issue. Windows, and in particular Windows 10 is a great OS. I've said it many times and will again now, the "developers" at Microsoft are among the best in the world. They know what they are doing and they know how to code and make Windows optimize itself best for us and our computers - if we just leave the defaults as it.

So the problem with Windows is NOT Windows or the developers. The problem with Windows is Microsoft - that is, the "marketing weenies" and the "executives" who drive "policy" and keep sticking their grubby fingers into the developer's business.

I fully understand why Microsoft wants users to use a Microsoft account. And for sure, there are advantages to using a Microsoft account. But forcing users to use one, or making it very difficult and un-intuitive to use a local account is the wrong way to go about it. They need to give, and be transparent and explain in detail, the options.

Then let us decide instead of forcing users to use "hidden" tricks. If they explained in detail how using a Microsoft account is advantageous for us, and still give us the option to "opt out" of using one, this would not be a problem. And again, it is not a Windows problem. It is a "policy" problem that has now turned into a public relations ("marketing") problem - one they created and brought upon themselves that could have been avoided.

Edit comment: Fixed spelling and typos.

But in the same vein regarding Apple and Google, people don't bat an eye.

SL2 · May 3, 2020

Jetster said:
I've never done it without being connected. Never have any of those issues.

You didn't get any unwanted apps? (Arrows)

Jetster · May 3, 2020

Mats said:
You didn't get any unwanted apps? (Arrows)
View attachment 153741

Ok you got me, it gave me Netflicks, MS To do list, News, Office and Solitaire. Which I just uninstalled

FordGT90Concept · May 3, 2020

Mats said:
Why anyone would install W10 while connected to internet ever is beyond me, I've never done it.

Because it's easier to plug all the cables in at once than going back to the machine after setup to plug in the NIC cable.

Because Windows 10 needs to activate that Windows 7 key I typed in.

windwhirl · May 3, 2020

windwhirl said:
Nevermind what I said, for whatever reason I had wrongly labeled the ISO files in my computer. Realized it when I re-checked the setup program, called the CMD and checked the version number. 18362 is 1903, 18363 is 1909. Redownloading now to check again...

So, it may be that I wasn't wrong actually (and now I will never know for sure because I had no better idea than to delete the old ISO).

CMD during setup shows 18362 (which according to https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-information/ is 1903)

VirtualBox_Windows 10_03_05_2020_19_18_32.png

but after setup the system shows 1909 (18363.592, January 14th, 2020)

By the way, this W10 Pro install still offered both local and Microsoft accounts. Annoying me by the way with the multiple security questions while setting up the local account...

Mats said:
You didn't get any unwanted apps? (Arrows)

I think the only editions that don't get them are Education and Enterprise...

biffzinker · May 4, 2020

Mats said:
Why anyone would install W10 while connected to internet ever is beyond me, I've never done it.

First, I want to remove any pending apps in Start waiting to be downloaded before connecting, Candy Crush is/was one of them IIRC.
Yeah sure you can just delete them later with PS together with anything else you don't want, but why install them in the first place?

Second, I want to set up OO shutup before connecting.

I installed the .207 version two weeks ago with a local account,

Since Windows 10 started I've always unplugged the Ethernet cable from my desktop when doing a clean/upgrade install of 10 because of the optional then forced Microsoft account. Lesson learned the one time it happened. I have nothing against the purpose of an account it's just the way Microsoft pushes you into an account I would prefer to skip on.

Jetster said:
Which I just uninstalled

Still on the drive but hidden from you, look in WindowsApps.

windwhirl · May 4, 2020

biffzinker said:
Still on the drive but hidden from you, look in WindowsApps.

I find funny that there are folders named Microsoft.Advertising and Microsoft.Services.Store.Engagement :laugh:

Also, in my case the Armoury Crate from ASUS is there too.

FordGT90Concept · May 4, 2020

That folder is everything UWP. It's basically an emulator.

lexluthermiester · May 4, 2020

FordGT90Concept said:
What showed up on the Network section?

If wired -> automatically connects -> local account options removed -> demands online ID.
If wireless -> asks you to connect to a wireless network -> local account option appears -> can create local admin account.

If Windows 10 doesn't have the driver to run your NIC then you won't be forced into online ID.

So the simple solution(which happens to be a very strict rule I follow) is make sure the system is NOT connected to any network during installation. This works on any version of Windows 10. Local account is the only option when a network is not detected/present.

This practice ensures the system stays under user control during the entire installation.

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