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contact plate for 13th gen intel cpus

maybe just wait and see how the testing works out, intel might have solved that issue
just give it some time.. the 13th gen embargo just lifted
 
then why would thermalright and other vendors not describe their products as 13th gen compactible?
 
My guess is because they have not dedicated the resources (paid someone) to go back and edit all the documentation/websites for their product descriptions - yet.
 
Intel must have made some internal changes because I can sustain 320 watts under 100c with 13900K. Previously only possible was to delid the 12th gen and repaste with liquid metal.

Maybe its because I'm using a custom loop and not a AIO, but I have a feeling thw contact frame is just to provide better even pressure. EKWB waterblocks have thick metal backplates. No bends happening here.
 
Hi,
Still 1700 socket.
 
newuser78 said:
Hi,

all the contact plates, like this for example: https://www.thermal-grizzly.com/produkte/522-cpu-contact-frame-for-12th-gen-intel-by-der8auer are still described by "12th gen" compactibility.
Are they useable for 13th gen cpus?

googling shows a lot of pictures compaing 12th gen with 13th gen but i havent found any concrete messsurements.
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Yes they are completely compatible. The IHS height and size and substrate size is 100% the same as 12th gen. Just the internal die under the IHS is larger.
So you can expect 2-6C temp improvement. This has already been tested by a few sites and by a couple of end users. And under most conditions, you should just use it.
The only one people have had issues with is the Thermal Grizzly version, because of their strange torque system.
 
dj-electric said:
13900K + Z790 Hero + NH-D15. The air cooler part is quite on purpose.
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Hi. I am also using i9-13900K with NH-D15. Without setting the power limit, the core temperature hits 100C within seconds of running synthetic benchmarks. Are you seeing good improvement with the replacement contact frame?
 
JeffSJ said:
Hi. I am also using i9-13900K with NH-D15. Without setting the power limit, the core temperature hits 100C within seconds of running synthetic benchmarks. Are you seeing good improvement with the replacement contact frame?
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I believe that you are ought to hit the 100c limit regardless in this case.
That said - there can be many optimizations done to maintain higher avg frequency during constant heavy load.

First of all - offsetting negative voltage to clear heat in favor of frequency. Typically, an offset of 0.03-0.05v on the vCore will do it.
Using Intel's latest XTU version can help with such guidance, its a really nice piece of software I honestly believe should be demonstrated to users.
If you reach the point where both thermal and power limit tick in red, you know you have found such equilibrium in stressing your 13900K.

The equilibrium would be mostly temperature dependant, becuase that's one of the parameters that are just a given, and not a choice.
Typically, i've found that locking in around 275W as a max TDP and donvolting the vcore a bit results in a performance sweetspot if you are interested in maintaining over 5.4GHz for all your P-cores under heavy load.

You can, however decide you stick with something lower, like 220-230W and lose 100-200MHz if you want to prevent any kind of thermal throttle using a cooler like the D15. There, ive found that with an ambient of 27c~ ive stabilized at around 92c. Gertting to an all-core of 5.2GHz on the P cores was already in the low 80's - high 70's, since the voltage curve gets to a significantly lower spot there.
 
In my experience then the main feature of replacing the stock LGA1700 CPU-holding mechanism is not degrading the RAM performance potential over time. (mid-thread thread starts here)


If you're unlucky, it might get bent so bad that even XMP Warrior poop settings don't work - and you definitely don't want to be stuck on JEDEC when RAM performance is already the main bottleneck of modern CPUs. :- )
 
I have data.
Testing on an ROG Z790 Hero motherboard, im quite surprised to see that there's no difference.
Used an NH-D15 with a fixed fan speed for equal cooling capacity, used the same mounting pressure and thermal paste application.
Its actually pretty boring, maybe for the better:

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This was tested during a render test, across several TDP options. Virtually identical results between the retail retention unit and the corrector frame.
I wish I could have the time to also test this on the Z690 Hero board, but im all out of time for it now.
 
Are these frames essential for 12th gen? I've read and seen some videos about it but I am reluctant to modify the mounting mechanism on my EVGA Z690 Classified. The temperatures I have at present are excellent under the NHD15S and undervolt/underclock. If bending occurs, I imagine it will be fairly obvious: ram instability and worse temperatures?
 
dj-electric said:
I believe that you are ought to hit the 100c limit regardless in this case.
That said - there can be many optimizations done to maintain higher avg frequency during constant heavy load.

First of all - offsetting negative voltage to clear heat in favor of frequency. Typically, an offset of 0.03-0.05v on the vCore will do it.
Using Intel's latest XTU version can help with such guidance, its a really nice piece of software I honestly believe should be demonstrated to users.
If you reach the point where both thermal and power limit tick in red, you know you have found such equilibrium in stressing your 13900K.

The equilibrium would be mostly temperature dependant, becuase that's one of the parameters that are just a given, and not a choice.
Typically, i've found that locking in around 275W as a max TDP and donvolting the vcore a bit results in a performance sweetspot if you are interested in maintaining over 5.4GHz for all your P-cores under heavy load.

You can, however decide you stick with something lower, like 220-230W and lose 100-200MHz if you want to prevent any kind of thermal throttle using a cooler like the D15. There, ive found that with an ambient of 27c~ ive stabilized at around 92c. Gertting to an all-core of 5.2GHz on the P cores was already in the low 80's - high 70's, since the voltage curve gets to a significantly lower spot there.
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Thank you for the information. I have also benchmarked the system under various power limit. 210W seems to be the sweet spot for D15.
 
Vario said:
Are these frames essential for 12th gen? I've read and seen some videos about it but I am reluctant to modify the mounting mechanism on my EVGA Z690 Classified. The temperatures I have at present are excellent under the NHD15S and undervolt/underclock. If bending occurs, I imagine it will be fairly obvious: ram instability and worse temperatures?
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Hi,
No yours is fine it has additional backplate that supports the entire board "reminds me of my x99 sabertooth" unlike other cheapo boards that do not have this type of additional reinforcements :cool:


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I have currently mounted an MSI MPG Z690 Carbon with a 13900K and a D15 to collect some additional data points

@W1zzard For what its worth, no, the board will not post with an RPL CPU in it using an old BIOS, whatsoever.

Yeah results are nearly identical using an MSI Z690 board for it.

So... take it for what its worth.
 
dj-electric said:
I have currently mounted an MSI MPG Z690 Carbon with a 13900K and a D15 to collect some additional data points

@W1zzard For what its worth, no, the board will not post with an RPL CPU in it using an old BIOS, whatsoever.

Yeah results are nearly identical using an MSI Z690 board for it.

So... take it for what its worth.
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My ASUS Prime Z690-A board with an older BIOS also did not post with a Raptor Lake CPU.
 
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