Copper core CPU cooler for Intel 10th generation

[Shrek]

I see Copper core CPU coolers for Intel 10th generation that look like they will fit my PC, but they are listed as for

LGA 1150 1155 1156 while the 10th generation is LGA 1200

Are they interchangeable? (the LGA 1200 version seems to have 3 top supports as opposed to 4 for the LGA 115x version)

The one in my 10th generation PC has 4 top supports (like the LGA 115x version)

 

[Dr. Dro]

1200 retains the same cooling mount from the 1156, 1155, 1150 and 1151 sockets

It's only 1700 that changed it, so it will fit, I just cannot guarantee that it will handle the heat load of anything above a 45W TDP CPU

 

[Shrek]

Seems it can handle 65W

 

[dgianstefani]

Why buy one? Go for a Thermalright or Noctua if you want a better cooler, if you're already on an Intel stock cooler any improvement will be marginal at best.

These are absolute bare minimum coolers, similar to the AMD stock coolers.

 

[Shrek]

For the copper core, what I have now has no copper core.

Temperatures are good, but I am hoping the fan will not ramp up and down so much, and the replacement is $11 with postage (new)

 

[dgianstefani]

For the copper core, what I have now has no copper core.

Temperatures are good, but I am hoping the fans will not ramp up and down so much, and the replacement is $11 with postage.

Pointless, but if you have $10 burning a hole in your pocket go ahead.

The fans on these are also bare minimum, and a copper core won't magically give you a bigger heatsink, so I doubt your fan noise ramp will be much changed.

A Thermalright that's miles better is $20.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

The difference is quite minimal. If you wanna upgrade your cooling go for something serious. Or at least semi-serious. These coolers are basic options.

 

[freeagent]

The box cooler is pretty much to keep the CPU from overheating.

Like putting a stack of pennies on the cpu and blowing on it and hoping for the best.

But assuming you know this and don't care.. then 11 bucks is hard to beat,

 

[Shrek]

On the one I have now (no copper core) it is hard to hit 70°C on a hot day (when stressing the CPU with CPU-Z), using an Intel Core i5-10400F

So, I don't really need excessive cooling.

 

[Harlow]

I see Copper core CPU coolers for Intel 10th generation

I have at least 8 of these coolers lying around with no Copper cores and 2 or 3 with Copper which are in low end systems. I tend to fit third-party coolers from Thermalright or Noctua in most systems, hence the spare Intel coolers.

I found an article on Reddit with a discussion on the relative merits of Aluminium versus Copper in CPU coolers, entitled:
"Copper has better thermal conductivity, but Aluminium is better at dissipating heat to air"
(Sorry, I don't seem to be able to grab a proper link to this article).

In this water cooled rack mount server they obviously prefer Copper, probably because it's easier to braze connecting pipes to blocks. I've no idea what the radiator fins are made of because they're "miles away" in another part of the building.

 

[dj-electric]

I really don't think anyone should go and buy Intel's stock cooler with a copper core to replace their alu type unit. No remote amount of effort or time waste IMO should worth it.
The amount of time on a purchase alone should go to a 15-18 dollar single fan tower with proper longevity, durability and quietness in mind

 

[JWNoctis]

I have at least 8 of these coolers lying around with no Copper cores and 2 or 3 with Copper which are in low end systems. I tend to fit third-party coolers from Thermalright or Noctua in most systems, hence the spare Intel coolers.

I found an article on Reddit with a discussion on the relative merits of Aluminium versus Copper in CPU coolers, entitled:
"Copper has better thermal conductivity, but Aluminium is better at dissipating heat to air"
(Sorry, I don't seem to be able to grab a proper link to this article).

In this water cooled rack mount server they obviously prefer Copper, probably because it's easier to braze connecting pipes to blocks. I've no idea what the radiator fins are made of because they're "miles away" in another part of the building.

What are the pressure and flow rate of those things? They looked brazed in place after installation.

I suspect that will put almost any PC-level setups to shame.

On the one I have now (no copper core) it is hard to hit 70°C on a hot day (when stressing the CPU with CPU-Z), using an Intel Core i5-10400F

So, I don't really need excessive cooling.

You cannot have excessive cooling, if you are concerned when it is not even hitting 70°C.

Maybe either save it up for something else, or spend slightly more and get a quieter and much more effective single tower cooler if case dimensions allow, rather than spending it on something that offers very little improvement.

Do counterfeit stock coolers still exist? I seem to recall counterfeit, and utterly ineffective stock-design coolers with a hollow (and empty, as opposed to a vapour chamber) copper core, though that was some years ago.

 

[AleXXX666]

On the one I have now (no copper core) it is hard to hit 70°C on a hot day (when stressing the CPU with CPU-Z), using an Intel Core i5-10400F

So, I don't really need excessive cooling.

LMFAO, Intel stock cooler for $11? They are 3 EUR new in most EU shops.
For $10 get this from Aliexpress:
Cpu Cooler Pc Fan Cooling System 2 Copper Tube 3PIN 90mm LED Fans For LGA1200 1150 1151 1155 1156 1356 1700 And3 AM4 Motherboard - AliExpress 7
and it's not "excessive" by any mean LMFAO.
Believe me I was long time like you and thought "stock cooler is enough", but times has changed, CPUs has changed, so...

Only replacing with copper core shitcooler won't help, you will also need to set higher temps+lower fan rpms in BIOS/UEFI settings of your MB. But, assuming you are OK with 70 C, why not just do settings of higher temps+lower fan rpms in BIOS/UEFI and live a happy life? seriously, I'm not counting your $$$, but sorry, this piece of metal and plastic isn't worth $10-11, $3/EUR3 AT MAX.

 

[Harlow]

They looked brazed in place after installation.

Yes, that was a development unit in Singapore, back in 2021.

This is a more typical 1 RU (rack unit) water cooled server utilizing Copper. Note the inlet and outlet water pipes on the rear. I think they're shifting 2kW of heat these days (that's 4 x 500W processors per server). Looks kinda neat, but complicated. Probably costs a bomb. Imagine a row of 6ft racks crammed with these things. Put's those Intel coolers to shame.

Then there's the next "big thing". Total immersion cooling, where the data centre server boards are fully submerged in coolant. Try that with your next build!

 

[Shrek]

For me it is very important to have air flow onto the motherboard to cool the VRMs, so I don't want to lose that.

Still haven't quite figured out why my 10th generation PC came with an LGA-115x cooler and not an LGA-1200 cooler.

 

[lexluthermiester]

For me it is very important to have air flow onto the motherboard to cool the VRMs, so I don't want to lose that.

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Still haven't quite figured out why my 10th generation PC came with an LGA-115x cooler and not an LGA-1200 cooler

The following would be a much better option.
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-AXP90-X47-Profile-Heatsink-TL-9015B/dp/B09CGXPVC1

This one is a step up from that;
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-AXP120-X67-Profile-Cooler-TL-C12015W-S/dp/B09T32WQCB

But this one is optimal if you have the space;
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-SI-100-Cooler-Bearing-Technology/dp/B0BRTLJD8F

All less than $35. I've used all of these. They're easy to install and work very well to cool not just the CPU, but also the parts surrounding the CPU socket.

Then why are people suggesting a cooler that no longer blows air on the VRMs?

Because they're not paying attention to what you're saying. The above units should meet your needs and be cost effective.

 

[freeagent]

Thermalright makes good schtuff

 

[Shrek]

The following would be a much better option.
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-AXP90-X47-Profile-Heatsink-TL-9015B/dp/B09CGXPVC1

This one is a step up from that;
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-AXP120-X67-Profile-Cooler-TL-C12015W-S/dp/B09T32WQCB

But this one is optimal if you have the space;
https://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-SI-100-Cooler-Bearing-Technology/dp/B0BRTLJD8F

All less than $35. I've used all of these. They're easy to install and work very well to cool not just the CPU, but also the parts surrounding the CPU socket.


Because they're not paying attention to what you're saying. The above units should meet your needs and be cost effective.

Excellent! now we are talking!

Much, much appreciated.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Excellent! now we are talking! much, much appreciated.

Glad to help! I generally default to down-firing heatsinks for the reasons you are concerned with. Keeping the socket area cool is as important as keeping the CPU cool.

 

[Ruru]

For me it is very important to have air flow onto the motherboard to cool the VRMs, so I don't want to lose that.

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Still haven't quite figured out why my 10th generation PC came with an LGA-115x cooler and not an LGA-1200 cooler.

Just MacGyver a fan to blow some air to the VRM if needed. Or get some RAMsinks and use them

Been there, done that, managed to have hella more OC headroom with an AM3 mobo by doing that.

edit: ah, didn't read the whole thread, there was better solutions already. My bad.

 

[sneekypeet]

If your motherboard offers fan tuning, create a custom CPU fan profile to eliminate the constant ramping....cost $0.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Copper core cooler. I used to press the copper out for scraps on the old 100 tonne press. I'd upload the video, but MP4 isn't supported.

Not sure why the designed these coolers where the copper slug protrudes and is the only thing contacting the IHS plate. The all aluminum heat sinks, the entire base made contact with the IHS plate. AMD and Intel both do that. Energy storage increase while surface ares decreases.

 

[Zazigalka]

I'm not a physics expert, but it seems to my silly mind that in order to see better temps, you'd need higher heat storing capacity, the amount of heat the fin area can soak up. making a cooler copper alone might just transfer the heat faster, but heat storing properties won't change, you'll need the fan to spin faster to see the difference.

 

[Shrek]

Not sure why the designed these coolers where the copper slug protrudes and is the only thing contacting the IHS plate. The all aluminum heat sinks, the entire base made contact with the IHS plate. AMD and Intel both do that. Energy storage increase while surface ares decreases.

That is a valid concern, and I assume Intel has got the area right. Makes sense to protrude as the differential expansion will mean things don't stay flat.

I'm not a physics expert, but it seems to my silly mind that in order to see better temps, you'd need higher heat storing capacity, the amount of heat the fin area can soak up. making a cooler copper alone might just transfer the heat faster, but heat storing properties won't change, you'll need the fan to spin faster to see the difference.

The heat storing ability gets worse

• Specific heat of copper: 385 J/kg.K
• Specific heat of aluminum: 900 J/kg.K

while the thermal conductivity improves

• Thermal conductivity of copper: 401 W/(m.K)
• Thermal conductivity of aluminum: 237 W/(m.K)

Now, copper conducts heat better (than aluminum) so the fin temperature will be closer to that of the CPU and as a result the heat transfer to air will be better for the same fan speed. So, it might be argued that thermal conductivity is more important than specific heat in this application.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

That is a valid concern, and I assume Intel has got the area right.

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That's quite a bit smaller surface area than the IHS plate.

No paste between copper slug and aluminim fin array. Not needed I guess being press fit.