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Get yer hype up. I'm hyped up fo sho. And the community is going a bit bananas, the consensus seems to be the only "proper" way for a CK3 to exist is if its a feature complete CK2 with more bits. Also the CK2 Steam page is being raided. I really hate fans of things.

Anyway, it seems the map will be the same as before. I had kinda hoped for a world map, but with the same levem of detail as previous games. Utopian dreams, but there's lots of improvements to be made in the current map. Not much is known yet, but I hope cultures and religions will be dramaticqlly changed so that playing different characters actually provide different experiences. Now a lot of it is just same old but with some tweaks. We'll see though. And I'm torn on how to proceed: Either I do what I do with movies, try to forget about it and not reading a single thing until release. I really like going into things entirely blind to expectations, and I really want to go this route but I'm not sure I'll be able to stay away. The other option is to consume EVERYTHING (as I did with Stellaris) and that worked wonderfully well.


Oh, CK2 is now free to play, but without the 15 major DLCs (and a billion minor DLCs). Don't let the number fool you though, a bunch of them only concerns certain regions/cultures and can safely be ignored if playing what is the core of the game, christian feudal lords. Which kinda is the "problem" with the game (as said above): everything outside that scope is essentially bolted on and is not entirely interesting because it lacks distinction. I hope CK3 will alleviate that and GODS I'm jacked about this.
 

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So anyway release date is september 1. Shall preorder.
 

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For the first time in my life (iirc) I have preordered a game. Feels weird.
 
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Crickets... but I might dive into this... was never really into the grand strategy that Paradox offered, but Stellaris did win me over to the dark side a little bit, even if that is grand strategy for dummies I reckon. In any case... even for just quality games I might give it a shot. Publisher's on a roll lately.

It looks decent, at least. @Frick what should I imagine a single playthrough/campaign to last? Weeks? Years?
 

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Crickets... but I might dive into this... was never really into the grand strategy that Paradox offered, but Stellaris did win me over to the dark side a little bit, even if that is grand strategy for dummies I reckon. In any case... even for just quality games I might give it a shot. Publisher's on a roll lately.

It looks decent, at least. @Frick what should I imagine a single playthrough/campaign to last? Weeks? Years?

In CK2 that would HuGELY depend on which charachter you started as and which start date you choose. More powerful means more things to do. Also depends on how long it will be satisfying to play that dynasty, what you set out to accomplish. But from the earlist date to the end date ... 100 hours maybe? But even hardcore players rarely "finish" a campaign/playthrough, because at one point it will very likely basically become too easy, or you just get bored and want to try something else. There is no victory condition in the game, like Stellaris has, only a ledger with a score that is the combination of your dynasty's prestige and piety. It is a true sandbox.

As for playing it, sure. Don't think of it as a good grand strategy game though, it really should be played more like an RPG than strategy. CK3 will even have skill trees.
 

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Wait 100 hours can't be right. 40-50 maybe?


Anyway, 15 minutes in CK3 and it turns out my cook makes meal of small children. She looks embarrased I found out.

Apparently I tested some potions of my bishop so he's pissed. Because they sucked.

And my son was murdered.

But my wife absolutely destroys the management!

Oh, my six months old daughter was just murdered.

So, ok, it turns out it was my oldest son and heir who did the killings.

But where Elinion died Siwan will live.

....... so while the noblemen of the realm was enjoying some indoor riding during the great feast my wife was caught in the stables doing "unspeakable things with the oxen". Let's see, <1h in and it kinda feels like a shark jumping moment. We'll see what happens next.
 
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Can you check task manager and see if the game
runs on a single core.
I kinda want to get the game but I think games from this company are all single core games since they use the same game engine developed 10+ years ago.

Oh God, its the same game company that developed hearts of Iron 4. I'm sure they used the same game engine. That game is unplayable after 1943 when there's tons of untis on the board and your cpu 1 core is pegged to 100%.
I'll pass on this POS game engine.
 
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looks interesting, I may pick it up. When is the Game of Thrones mod coming for it (I know they made one for CK2)
 

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I kinda want to get the game but I think games from this company are all single core games since they use the same game engine developed 10+ years ago.

Oh God, its the same game company that developed hearts of Iron 4. I'm sure they used the same game engine. That game is unplayable after 1943 when there's tons of untis on the board and your cpu 1 core is pegged to 100%.
I'll pass on this POS game engine.

Please don't pass on it. It runs on a bunch of cores, anything else is just a myth. You know which engine is older? Whatever WoW runs on, but good luck trying to run that on a single core these days. The basic engines are similar, but they are adaptet to the games, and the engine is constantly updated. Late game performance isn't an issue in CK2 or EU4, because the games are quite different from HoI and Stellaris. And so far CK3 runs quite a lot faster than CK2. The fastest game speed is pretty much unplayable as you'll wizz through years in minutes.
 
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Please don't pass on it. It runs on a bunch of cores, anything else is just a myth. You know which engine is older? Whatever WoW runs on, but good luck trying to run that on a single core these days. The basic engines are similar, but they are adaptet to the games, and the engine is constantly updated. Late game performance isn't an issue in CK2 or EU4, because the games are quite different from HoI and Stellaris. And so far CK3 runs quite a lot faster than CK2. The fastest game speed is pretty much unplayable as you'll wizz through years in minutes.
The game looks interesting, its only the possible game engine that I'll pass on. I'll keep looking for forums posts on anount of cores it runs on.
Can't find anything yet.
 

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The game looks interesting, its only the possible game engine that I'll pass on. I'll keep looking for forums posts on anount of cores it runs on.
Can't find anything yet.

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That is the game on full speed. The drop at the end is because the game paused because something important happened.

Again, yes the engine is a decade+ old, but again, so are many other modern engines. And again, it's a different game compared to HoI or Stellaris (Stellaris is notorious for late game slow down, but that is not because of armies but because of populations). CK is much more an RPG lite story generator on a larger scale and even more so CK3. One thing is that you only raise your armies when you are at war. If you play CK as you would say any other map painting strategy game you're doing it wrong IMO.

And if you're interested in performance, CK2 is free to play these days. CK3 has much better performance.

More info in this developer diary:

 
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That is the game on full speed. The drop at the end is because the game paused because something important happened.

Again, yes the engine is a decade+ old, but again, so are many other modern engines. And again, it's a different game compared to HoI or Stellaris (Stellaris is notorious for late game slow down, but that is not because of armies but because of populations). CK is much more an RPG lite story generator on a larger scale and even more so CK3. One thing is that you only raise your armies when you are at war. If you play CK as you would say any other map painting strategy game you're doing it wrong IMO.

And if you're interested in performance, CK2 is free to play these days. CK3 has much better performance.

More info in this developer diary:

Wow, I cant believe my eyes, I've only played Hearts of iron 3 and 4 from this company. I keep reading that Paradox likes to use the same game engine from both 2 games in many others.
I once was about to get Stellaris but read that they use they same game engine from HOI 3, 4, so I passed.
Thanks for the picture, I will highly consider it, after some patches within 1-2 months.
 

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Wow, I cant believe my eyes, I've only played Hearts of iron 3 and 4 from this company. I keep reading that Paradox likes to use the same game engine from both 2 games in many others.
I once was about to get Stellaris but read that they use they same game engine from HOI 3, 4, so I passed.
Thanks for the picture, I will highly consider it, after some patches within 1-2 months.

And the Unreal engine powers everything from Tetris games to AAA games. Engines matter less than people think, it's how you use them.
 
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And the Unreal engine powers everything from Tetris games to AAA games. Engines matter less than people think, it's how you use them.
Is the game engine doesnt allow more than 1 core to be used lots of people will matter. Hearts of Iron 4 has this issue.
 

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Is the game engine doesnt allow more than 1 core to be used lots of people will matter. Hearts of Iron 4 has this issue.

Nah, the slowdown is not because of the game not using resources, it is the game itself.

Note I haven't gotten to late game is Ck3 yet so I don't know how it runs at that point.
 
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Nah, the slowdown is not because of the game not using resources, it is the game itself.

Note I haven't gotten to late game is Ck3 yet so I don't know how it runs at that point.
I was kinda drunk when I wrote that.
 
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