FPS dropping by 2-3 every 2-3 seconds

[hermesa]

Not really sure this is the right forum but i hope it is ..So I bought 1070ti gpu for my msi z87-g45 gaming mobo with i5 4690 non K version and i play a lot of CS2 while having 330-340 constant fps in menu and around 180-250 in-game ....and I saw that there is CPU bottleneck.Gpu was only 30-40 % utilized while cpu was always on 100% and I wanted to suck out the juice of my gpu.So I decided to upgrade my mobo ram and cpu in order to do so ,my new mobo is B450 gaming plus MAX AM4 socket with amd Ryzen 5 3600(which is times better than i5 4690) and ddr4 3200mhz RAM ,everything fine until I installed CS2 and saw that right after I start the game i have like 420 fps in menu then i starts dropping by 1-2-3 fps every second until it reaches somthing like 120-140. While gaming in competitive mode i get spikes from 170-240-270 ....Tried everything possible,doing windows configurations,reinstalled windows,installed newer bios,reinstalled gpu drivers,fixed hard drives optimisations,tried different commands for startup in the game ,turned off/on some programs ,reinstalled the game,updated windows ,changed ram slots , tried different bios settings,overclocked,underclocked,memory diagnostic tools etc...Also now the utilization is like 70-80% gpu in menu with 20-30-40% cpu I don't think its bottlenecking rn ,but something is really wrong because all I wanted is upgrading my fps thats why I paid extra to upgrade ram,mobo,cpu but in fact i turned out that i feel like I downgraded ...All I want is my fps higher and my parts are cabale of doing much more ...Seeing it hits 420 and then keeps decreasing with seconds while waiting in menu being Idle, BIOS overclock menu have ez mode and advanced, ez mode doesn't offer much so when I turn on the advanced I see so many options that I get confused , everything points out that this might be something with the bios options (also tried to turn off the virtualization + turning off the C state of the CPU - doesn't help) I don't have problems with other games except the fact that I used to have with my old configuration 170 fps on ultra settings ,and with the new one parts i have also the same frame rates ,same resolution same game settings ... My gpu and cpu temperatures are pretty good , using the max power draw they can ,my windows powwer settings are configured to high/ultra mode,no background processes ! The only imporvement I can see so far is that I used to have 70min and 90 avg fps in Battlefield 1 ,while now I have 120-140..that's the only upgrade I can feel so far

 

[Onasi]

Tried everything possible,doing windows configurations,reinstalled windows,installed newer bios,reinstalled gpu drivers,fixed hard drives optimisations,tried different commands for startup in the game ,turned off/on some programs ,reinstalled the game,updated windows ,changed ram slots , tried different bios settings,overclocked,underclocked,memory diagnostic tools etc.

You mentioned a lot of things (most of which probably would hurt more than help), but no mention of chipset drivers being installed and (for Zen 2 on Win 10) no mention of using Ryzen Power plans that come with said drivers. Those are kinda needed for the CPU to correctly work with the OS.

 

[hermesa]

You mentioned a lot of things (most of which probably would hurt more than help), but no mention of chipset drivers being installed and (for Zen 2 on Win 10) no mention of using Ryzen Power plans that come with said drivers. Those are kinda needed for the CPU to correctly work with the OS.

I just installed both ot them ,chipset drivers for zen2 on win10 and ryzen master app ... both didn't worked (also I can see that processor is utilized at 56watts out of 65max tdp) All I am thinking rn is installing windows 11 ,but as far as I remember ,when I tried installing win11 before on my old configuration it reduced the fps in games by 20-30 and no settings helped back then,I don't think its up to the windows at all...

 

[Onasi]

I just installed both ot them ,chipset drivers for zen2 on win10 and ryzen master app ... both didn't worked All I am thinking rn is installing windows 11 ,but as far as I remember ,when I tried installing win11 before on my old configuration it reduced the fps in games by 20-30 and no settings helped back then

The Ryzen Master app is unnecessary. Selecting Ryzen Balanced or Ryzen High Performance in power plans is. As for 11, that was probably VBS being on by default and on older CPUs it does indeed take a toll. With VBS off, however, there shouldn’t be any significant (higher than margin of error) framerate differences between 10 and 11.

 

[Onasi]

@hermesa
They should be in the Control Panel, not the Settings app. Click on Show more options there.

 

[hermesa]

@hermesa
They should be in the Control Panel, not the Settings app. Click on Show more options there.
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Just enabled it , problem still persist...

 

[Onasi]

Wait, I just noticed, but is your concern solely the menu not running at full framerate? I would imagine that it’s just your new 3600 clocking down since nothing is actually happening, which leads to framerate dropping. Zen CPUs are much more aggressive about clocking up and down than your old i5. This is functionally absolutely fine since there is no real need to run a menu of all things at 400 FPS. The question is whether the system actually behaves itself correctly in-game. Monitor both GPU and CPU frequency in a match and go from there. It might be that there is nothing actually wrong.

 

[hermesa]

Wait, I just noticed, but is your concern solely the menu not running at full framerate? I would imagine that it’s just your new 3600 clocking down since nothing is actually happening, which leads to framerate dropping. Zen CPUs are much more aggressive about clocking up and down than your old i5. This is functionally absolutely fine since there is no real need to run a menu of all things at 400 FPS. The question is whether the system actually behaves itself correctly in-game. Monitor both GPU and CPU frequency in a match and go from there. It might be that there is nothing actually wrong.

Well in game is the same , at the start of the round i have ups to 300+ fps ,after 5-10 min of gaming it drops down 200 and in min fps is 170 when for example i got killed and it appears a black screen during respawning... I monitor them trough MSI afterburner And I see that gpu is more utilized than cpu (before was cpu100% utilized with 40-50% gpu max depend on the game) cs2 is known for CPU intensive game so I also wonder why my cpu is only 40-50% max utilized with 50-80% gpu utilization.. for sure its not bottleneck situation because non of both doesn't ever reached 100% util.Also I can see no difference in utilization when I overclock the cpu from bios ( from 3.6ghz base to 4.2ghz base) These strange ups and downs make me mad.. i forgot to mention that I bought this CPU second hand ,I overclocked it ,then run powermax benchmark and it crashed couple of times with BSOD , after downclocking it and running the test again it worked fine and pass the test , no problems when overclocked during game it must be only that exact program causing this bsod ,and I think cpu is just fine.I really don't care if its only in the menu,but the menu is the place where i noticed this ,because in my old build it was just stable fps and when i move the mouse making my view change a little bit - fps decreases , here is the opposite , when i move the mouse a little bit to make screen and animations work it increases a little bit then continiues to decrease second by second ... (also tried to manage some settings in nvidia control panel also not working)

 

[Onasi]

GPU being utilized more than the CPU is fine, that’s where you want to be. CPU utilization is the aggregate of ALL cores and threads. So if your 3600 was 100% utilized it would mean that all 16 threads were in full use. Obviously, CS2 is not doing that. It might use one core fully, maaaaybe two and a couple other threads partially. So yeah, that’s why you get lower overall utilization.
You mentioned overclocking. How are your temperatures? Oh, and OCing in the BIOS via setting a static frequency is a terrible idea on Zen. You are actively losing performance that way. Just let it use stock boost behavior or, if you want more performance, UV using Curve Optimizer. Fixed frequency OC is a dead practice on AMD.

 

[hermesa]

GPU being utilized more than the CPU is fine, that’s where you want to be. CPU utilization is the aggregate of ALL cores and threads. So if your 3600 was 100% utilized it would mean that all 16 threads were in full use. Obviously, CS2 is not doing that. It might use one core fully, maaaaybe two and a couple other threads partially. So yeah, that’s why you get lower overall utilization.
You mentioned overclocking. How are your temperatures? Oh, and OCing in the BIOS via setting a static frequency is a terrible idea on Zen. You are actively losing performance that way. Just let it use stock boost behavior or, if you want more performance, UV using Curve Optimizer. Fixed frequency OC is a dead practice on AMD.

CS2 is known for using much less cores/threads than it should be and thats why I use the startup command in steam for that particular app which is ''-threads 13'' (12+1) so it can use all 6 cores and threads -and still no result in performance and fps...My temperatures are just fine I changed days ago my thermalpaste on both gpu/cpu(cpu max 65 degrees while gaming) (gpu max 50 while gaming exactly this game and never reaches above 60 degrees in other heavy gpu games) I will get back my cpu to stock boost but that doesn't fix the issue.. Is this really a case where ryzen 5 3600 is more powerfull than i5 4690 and in the same time performing worse ? Doesn't Ryzen CPUs are known for gaming ?

 

[Onasi]

CS2 is known for using much less cores/threads than it should be and thats why I use the startup command in steam for that particular app which is ''-threads 13'' (12+1) so it can use all 6 cores and threads -and still no result in performance and fps.

I don’t think that command is actually doing anything. Not judging by the utilization. You can try running under Vulkan, see if that helps.

Doesn't Ryzen CPUs are known for gaming ?

Yes. Zen 3 and up and particularly X3D variants. Not the Zen 2 chips. They are respectable, but nothing out of this world.

 

[hermesa]

I don’t think that command is actually doing anything. Not judging by the utilization. You can try running under Vulkan, see if that helps.


Yes. Zen 3 and up and particularly X3D variants. Not the Zen 2 chips. They are respectable, but nothing out of this world.

I tried running under vulkan it is just the same Well i don't understand why ryzen 5 3600 with 1070ti its said it will run better than i5 4690 and 1070ti ,when it doesn't even do the work it can do.Is that the reason why on our Bulgarian market i5 4690K-version costs 250Levas( 125 euro second hand) and ryzen 5 3600 costs 70 euro also second hand ? Do really the intels are better for gaming than ryzens, cuz I really thought its the opposite ... I mean I don't need smth out of his world but at least i want to make my pc parts to work at its full potential ,I didn't paid 500 euros for parts that are not even better than my low-end budget pc and performing almost the same... Somewhere on the internet I found that ryzen 5 3600 and my gpu is pretty good combo and have no bottleneck and thats why I upgraded , in other page now I am finding that ryzen 5 5600x is the perfect match ,but should I expect again not full utilization wow ;x

 

[dgianstefani]

Sounds like an overheating problem, maybe your VRMs are throttling, maybe your power supply isn't very good and can't sustain high power draw. Post full specs.

 

[hermesa]

Sounds like an overheating problem, maybe your VRMs are throttling, maybe your power supply isn't very good and can't sustain high power draw. Post full specs.

PSU Evga g2 supernova 650watts (I thinks its enough and draws the 180watts from gpu also If i turn the power draw from msi afterburner to 130% it can draw up to 245 watts) cpu also draws 55-65 watts sometimes spikes to 75 watts
gpu 1070ti msi gaming x8
ryzen 5 3600 non-k version
b450 gaming plus max mobo
1 ssd verbatim vi 500gb
1 hdd 500gb
2x8 gb gskill 3200 mhz running at 3200mhz
temperatures are pretty good 65 max for cpu and 60 max for gpu , new thermalpaste applied couple of days ago ,motherboard is also brand new ,only ram and cpu are second hand but both went trough all kind of tests and it seems like they working just fine
Just to mention that its not drop ''spikes'' its dropping fps per second , like every one second fps keeps dropping by 1-2-3fps like timer
I can say that the '''spikes'' are to the ups in fps increasing .its varying 220-218-217-215-213-225-212-209 ....and when I move ''the animations'' in the game it increases to 250 but then again do the same drops ,and after i move the animations again it increases but this time to 230 for example and never reaches the 250fps ups that it did couple of minutes ago

 

[Onasi]

gpu 1070ti msi gaming x8

What do you mean by “x8” here? Is this PCI-E lanes? Because the 1070Ti should run at x16 on this motherboard. Or is this just a weird way of saying 8GB?

Do really the intels are better for gaming than ryzens, cuz I really thought its the opposite

The 3600 will be better than your i5 in games. Just not all of them and CS might be one of those that do not perform as well.

should I expect again not full utilization wow ;x

You seem to misunderstand the CPU utilization stat. No game will max out the utilization of a reasonably decent and modern CPU (so around the last 5 years and 6 cores 12 threads or more). It’s just simply not the way games are made.

 

[Assimilator]

It is an interesting fact , that when I turn on the cheat for CS2 , fps stays stable at 242 ? Is that cheat program making my cpu to work without drops ,is that a thing ?

Guys, let's stop helping a cheater.

 

[hermesa]

Guys, let's stop helping a cheater.

If you don't use cheat in that game you simply cannot play it ....99.97% of the players are cheating ,because VAC live system is not working Turn yourself into that game and you will understand that its just a normal way to handle and play the game I believe you are better in pc configurations rather than playing titles.We are still waiting for the day when Valve will actually turn on their vac ban system and all of us will have normal gameplay once and for forever :] It's my way getting revenge to the actual cheaters so yes ofc I am using that cheat when its needed

 

[dgianstefani]

If you don't use cheat in that game you simply cannot play it ....99.97% of the players are cheating ,because VAC live system is not working Turn yourself into that game and you will understand that its just a normal way to handle and play the game I believe you are better in pc configurations rather than playing titles.We are still waiting for the day when Valve will actually turn on their vac ban system and all of us will have normal gameplay once and for forever :] It's my way getting revenge to the actual cheaters so yes ofc I am using that cheat when its needed

Skill issue, I got to high ranks without cheats in CS:GO when I used to play it.

But then, cheaters always have excuses for being cheaters.

 

[hermesa]

Skill issue, I got to high ranks without cheats in CS:GO when I used to play it.

But then, cheaters always have excuses for being cheaters.

You said it - ''CS:GO'' I guess you are not aware that CS:GO is CS2 now and actually they broke it from all perespectives including that anti-cheat system and rep system also...I used to play CS:GO as well and back then everything worked and never let myself to cheat because I also was gold nova rank(WITHOUT any cheats) I miss that game tho

 

[dgianstefani]

You said it - ''CS:GO'' I guess you are not aware that CS:GO is CS2 now and actually they broke it from all perespectives including that anti-cheat system and rep system also...I used to play CS:GO as well and back then everything worked and never let myself to cheat because I also was gold nova rank(WITHOUT any cheats) I miss that game tho

So don't play.

Either way you'll find no sympathy for cheaters here.

Gold nova is not a high rank.

If you don't use cheat in that game you simply cannot play it ....99.97% of the players are cheating ,because VAC live system is not working Turn yourself into that game and you will understand that its just a normal way to handle and play the game I believe you are better in pc configurations rather than playing titles.We are still waiting for the day when Valve will actually turn on their vac ban system and all of us will have normal gameplay once and for forever :] It's my way getting revenge to the actual cheaters so yes ofc I am using that cheat when its needed

It's ironic having someone who uses cheats talk about the skill of someone else.

 

[hermesa]

So don't play.

Either way you'll find no sympathy for cheaters here.

Gold nova is not a high rank.

There are not much games that deserves attention like CS2 does , As I said I am not a cheater in the way you think I am , I just get the cheaters what they deserve when they start cheating ,So I do the ''lord job'' for the team I am located in when enemy got cheaters and runing the game for all of us

So don't play.

Either way you'll find no sympathy for cheaters here.

Gold nova is not a high rank.


It's ironic having someone who uses cheats talk about the skill of someone else.

As I said before (3rd time) I am not using cheat to ruin other people games but to balance matchmaking when there are cheaters ruining whole game which lasts up to 40 minutes for 10 ppl(5vs5) .Don't ''put words into my mouth''

 

[dgianstefani]

Mhm. Ethical cheater. Sure.

 

[hermesa]

Mhm. Ethical cheater. Sure.

Go play some CS2 nowadays and pm me after 1 month of gameplay ,then you will understand what I mean I hope you don't judge other people like that when they say smth superficially

 

[dgianstefani]

At least all the cheaters are where they belong, playing against each other. What a waste of time (and money, they pay for the cheats ).

 

[Onasi]

I have no idea why people cheat in online games. Like, the whole point of the game is fair competition, in PvP case. That’s the “fun factor” for them. And if cheaters are ruining the game for legit players, well, that’s on developers and I would just stop playing. Any other course of action is immeasurably stupid.