Frametime spikes and stuttering after switching to AMD CPU?

[Montelo]

Hey, i wonder if someone can help me i got this problem where i get stutters ingame
for example when the game is capped at like 60 it drops to like 50-55 (happens also with uncapped FPS).

I think i have this problem since i switched my Mainboard and CPU like 8 months ago but im not sure, i had a i5 11400f and a MSI B560 Torpedo before.

PC Specs:
Ryzen 5600.
B550 AORUS ELITE V2.
4x8GB Corsair Vengeance 3600 CL18 (1 New and 1 Old Kit).
RTX 3070.
750W PSU Be quiet.

This is what im getting in nearly all Games

https://imgur.com/a/8XQ91qt

What i tried to far:
Tried using only 2 Ram Sticks(both kits tested) since someone suggested me to do that sadly it didnt help.
Updating GPU Drivers / Using older GPU Drivers. (DDU)
Closing all Backround apps like Wallpaper Engine, Discord, Nvidia Overlay.
Updating The Bios
Freshly Install Windows
Turning XMP on and Off

I hope someone can maybe help me im kinda frustrated

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Internet lag makes it hard to diagnose these kinds of issues.

How do single player games run??

 

[Montelo]

Internet lag makes it hard to diagnose these kinds of issues.

How do single player games run??

The same stutter happens in singleplayer games

 

[ShrimpBrime]

The same stutter happens in singleplayer games

So did the issue just start happening? You said this was built 8 months ago, but I can't see if you've had the issue the entire time. If so, then you know it's probably the mainboard and CPU is an issue.

Do you still have the 11400F and board so you could swap it back and see if that alleviates the problem?

And Sometimes, hot swapping an Old OS from AMD to Intel (and visa versa) doesn't work well. Even if you've done all the driver stuff.

 

[_roman_]

for example when the game is capped at like 60 it drops to like 50-55 (happens also with uncapped FPS).

And it's cpu releated and not related to the 8GiB VRAM nvidia gpu?

Turning XMP on and Off

Just why?

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Set proper DRAM profile by hand, proper cpu settings.

I would also cross test with fixed clocked in uefi.

you may share first the usual windows tool which shows the full settings for cpu and dram. zentimings?

Closing all Backround apps like Wallpaper Engine, Discord, Nvidia Overlay.

Any more junkware installed like RGB, update services, windows update enabled, upload windows update to the internet and local net, updaters, services, mouse software, ...

you may share the started services
you may share the installed software.


you may share which powerplan is in use and what the settings are
you may share if fastboot is enabled

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I used that list recently to determine my mobile cpu

the 5600 non x is not in the list.
the better 5600x is not that much better as the old cpu.

I assume / I think the hardware swap is more a sidegrade than an upgrade. I would not expect more or equal fps with that hardware swap. Especially with that list:

https://www.notebookcheck.com/Mobile-Prozessoren-Benchmarkliste.1809.0.html

-- the hardware combination fit it's age and technology. that's it.

-- you may check those guides. I know only one in german: How to dertmine if the cpu or gpu is the limiting factor?

-- edit

This shows clearly the impact of 8Gib VRAM. A very old topic. A topic why many sold the nvidia 3070. The reason why i sold my radeon Asrock challenger 6600XT 8GB D.

AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT 8GB Review: Not Good Photo Gallery - TechSpot

View 34 detailed pictures from our AMD Radeon RX 9060 XT 8GB Review: Not Good, close-up photos in high resolution.

www.techspot.com

You may test with a 16GiB better card to see if it's really CPU related. I consider DRAM / Mainboard / CPU as cpu related.

 

[Montelo]

So did the issue just start happening? You said this was built 8 months ago, but I can't see if you've had the issue the entire time. If so, then you know it's probably the mainboard and CPU is an issue.

Do you still have the 11400F and board so you could swap it back and see if that alleviates the problem?

And Sometimes, hot swapping an Old OS from AMD to Intel (and visa versa) doesn't work well. Even if you've done all the driver stuff.

i have it since the beginning yea, sadly i dont have the old mobo and cpu anymore, i freshly installed windows so there should be no problem with the os/drivers no?

And it's cpu releated and not related to the 8GiB VRAM nvidia gpu?



Just why?

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Set proper DRAM profile by hand, proper cpu settings.

I would also cross test with fixed clocked in uefi.

you may share first the usual windows tool which shows the full settings for cpu and dram. zentimings?



Any more junkware installed like RGB, update services, windows update enabled, upload windows update to the internet and local net, updaters, services, mouse software, ...

you may share the started services
you may share the installed software.


you may share which powerplan is in use and what the settings are
you may share if fastboot is enabled

i dont think my vram should matter in games like CS2 or League of Legends.

I tried 3200Mhz aswell didnt work either sadly

I have ICUE but i also disabled that one except that i dont have any other programm really

I tried both powerplan options Balance and High Performance no difference sadly.

Fast Boot is disabled

you may share first the usual windows tool which shows the full settings for cpu and dram. zentimings?

i can send you a screenshot from CPU-Z if that is what you mean

 

[ShrimpBrime]

i have it since the beginning yea, sadly i dont have the old mobo and cpu anymore, i freshly installed windows so there should be no problem with the os/drivers no?


i dont think my vram should matter in games like CS2 or League of Legends.

I tried 3200Mhz aswell didnt work either sadly

I have ICUE but i also disabled that one except that i dont have any other programm really

I tried both powerplan options Balance and High Performance no difference sadly.

Fast Boot is disabled

i can send you a screenshot from CPU-Z if that is what you mean

Good to hear fresh install on the OS.

Honestly, I upgraded my kids 5600G to a 12400F and he said the experience was much better on his games. I don't know if the 5600 is actually faster or better for gaming than an 11400F, I can't imagine the game play be that much difference, but Intel usually had much better latency on ddr4 platforms than AMD. So you might had only done a side grade here. I don't want to say down grade, but possible. Please take this comment with salt, it's only our experience not gathered informative data.

 

[Montelo]

Good to hear fresh install on the OS.

Honestly, I upgraded my kids 5600G to a 12400F and he said the experience was much better on his games. I don't know if the 5600 is actually faster or better for gaming than an 11400F, I can't imagine the game play be that much difference, but Intel usually had much better latency on ddr4 platforms than AMD. So you might had only done a side grade here. I don't want to say down grade, but possible. Please take this comment with salt, it's only our experience not gathered informative data.

i only took the Ryzen because my Intel Mainboard broke and since then im getting these stutters

 

[ShrimpBrime]

i only took the Ryzen because my Intel Mainboard broke and since then im getting these stutters

Unfortunately, that's probably what the problem is. But without that old hardware you had to test with, we will never really know until you try something else.

Is there a local shop that could lend you a processor for testing, or perhaps they could test for you on a reasonable price? I'm sure you've tried everything else in the last 8 months already....

 

[Montelo]

Unfortunately, that's probably what the problem is. But without that old hardware you had to test with, we will never really know until you try something else.

Is there a local shop that could lend you a processor for testing, or perhaps they could test for you on a reasonable price? I'm sure you've tried everything else in the last 8 months already....

I could buy a Ryzen 57003xd just to Test it, but if the problem still persists it could also be the mainboard? how likely can it be that the GPU is the Problem

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I could buy a Ryzen 57003xd just to Test it, but if the problem still persists it could also be the mainboard? how likely can it be that the GPU is the Problem

Unlikely the problem if its the same gpu and only the cpu and board swap. More or less ram near the same frequencies dont persuade performance in gaming by much more than single percent measurements. But You've tried removing ram and installing it, seems quantity isn't an issue.

As for the 5700X3D, that is entirely up to you. By all measurements, its a much faster cpu than a 5600. Just make sure you are able to return it if the new cpu doesnt do better so you are not out any money.

 

[Montelo]

but what could be the reason that i get these stutters if it really is the CPU how can this happen, The Ryzen 5600 was bought new could it be a bad CPU or what could it be, i can still contact the Site i bought it from maybe i could get a new Ryzen 5600

 

[vgm]

@Montelo I noticed sudden FPS drop in some games especially older titles and PS5 ports after Win 11 May update on 23h2 and 24h2. For now, I managed to solve it by using Process Lasso with performance mode and idlesaver enabled using Manixx custom power plan with turbo boost mode set to Efficient Aggressive and disabled on battery for Hawk Point 8840HS.
Checked with few reviewers who didn't notice it on their Ryzen builds. Not even sure what it is. BTW, Tested Nobara 42 Nvidia ISO and CPU performance was very consistent when downloading updates and clock frequency are steady out of the box. So, Win 11 power management or its HWP based driver(s) is/are not working properly.
My custom xml and pow files
manixx power plans for intel and amd
Process Lasso x64
For advanced customization use power settings explorer from guru3d

 

[Montelo]

@Montelo I noticed sudden FPS drop in some games especially older titles and PS5 ports after Win 11 May update on 23h2 and 24h2. For now, I managed to solve it by using Process Lasso with performance mode and idlesaver enabled using Manixx custom power plan with turbo boost mode set to Efficient Aggressive and disabled on battery for Hawk Point 8840HS.
Checked with few reviewers who didn't notice it on their Ryzen builds. Not even sure what it is. BTW, Tested Nobara 42 Nvidia ISO and CPU performance was very consistent when downloading updates and clock frequency are steady out of the box. So, Win 11 power management or its HWP based driver(s) is/are not working properly.
My custom xml and pow files
manixx power plans for intel and amd
Process Lasso x64
For advanced customization use power settings explorer from guru3d

Im on Windows 10 right now

 

[R1nge]

Surprised no one has mentioned a faulty drive. Can you share a screenshot from CrystalDiskInfo, please?
Do you have a spare ssd to test on?

About the impact of 8Gb of VRAM, I don't think it would be an issue, especially in CPU heavy games like CS and LoL, anyways it can be tested by lowering the resolution/settings

 

[Montelo]

Tried Playing with both drive Nothing changed really

 

[R1nge]

I see, 2 nvme drives. It's possible that gpu's running at x4 or something because of how pci lanes are linked
AFAIK it would take lanes from the GPU with 2 nvme drives connected
Can you pull up a GPU-Z while playing, there should be a field called 'Bus Interface'

 

[Montelo]

I see, 2 nvme drives. It's possible that gpu's running at x4 or something because of how pci lanes are linked
AFAIK it would take lanes from the GPU with 2 nvme drives connected
Can you pull up a GPU-Z while playing, there should be a field called 'Bus Interface'

i had no issues with my other mainboard/Cpu tho how could that now make issues on this mainboard?

im seeing "Bus Interface Load" in the "Sensors" Tab thats the right thing?

this is what im seeing when i have CS2 open

 

[R1nge]

i had no issues with my other mainboard/Cpu tho how could that now make issues on this mainboard?

im seeing "Bus Interface Load" in the "Sensors" Tab thats the right thing?

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this is what im seeing when i have CS2 open

It's on the Graphics Card tab

I have a couple of hypotheses
1. It's a bios thing, sometimes drives can be run using IDE mode instead of AHCI, but bios has been updated already
2. It's a usb thing, sometimes IO devices can cause lags
3. It's a CPU/Mobo thing, sometimes CPUs/Mobos are bad
4. Power delivery issue, sometimes having everything plugged-in in the same outlet can cause a voltage issue, although GPU voltage looks fine to me

Maybe something else, can't think of any rn
HWInfo sensors screenshots would be useful

 

[kane nas]

Hey, i wonder if someone can help me i got this problem where i get stutters ingame
for example when the game is capped at like 60 it drops to like 50-55 (happens also with uncapped FPS).

I think i have this problem since i switched my Mainboard and CPU like 8 months ago but im not sure, i had a i5 11400f and a MSI B560 Torpedo before.

PC Specs:
Ryzen 5600.
B550 AORUS ELITE V2.
4x8GB Corsair Vengeance 3600 CL18 (1 New and 1 Old Kit).
RTX 3070.
750W PSU Be quiet.

This is what im getting in nearly all Games

https://imgur.com/a/8XQ91qt

What i tried to far:
Tried using only 2 Ram Sticks(both kits tested) since someone suggested me to do that sadly it didnt help.
Updating GPU Drivers / Using older GPU Drivers. (DDU)
Closing all Backround apps like Wallpaper Engine, Discord, Nvidia Overlay.
Updating The Bios
Freshly Install Windows
Turning XMP on and Off

I hope someone can maybe help me im kinda frustrated

Do a measurement with another program, if you see the same thing, see if the FCLK frequency is operating at 1800. Also, check in the bios if SMT is disabled and makes the processor run at 6/6.

Hey, i wonder if someone can help me i got this problem where i get stutters ingame
for example when the game is capped at like 60 it drops to like 50-55 (happens also with uncapped FPS).

I think i have this problem since i switched my Mainboard and CPU like 8 months ago but im not sure, i had a i5 11400f and a MSI B560 Torpedo before.

PC Specs:
Ryzen 5600.
B550 AORUS ELITE V2.
4x8GB Corsair Vengeance 3600 CL18 (1 New and 1 Old Kit).
RTX 3070.
750W PSU Be quiet.

This is what im getting in nearly all Games

https://imgur.com/a/8XQ91qt

What i tried to far:
Tried using only 2 Ram Sticks(both kits tested) since someone suggested me to do that sadly it didnt help.
Updating GPU Drivers / Using older GPU Drivers. (DDU)
Closing all Backround apps like Wallpaper Engine, Discord, Nvidia Overlay.
Updating The Bios
Freshly Install Windows
Turning XMP on and Off

I hope someone can maybe help me im kinda frustrated

Maybe it will help you.

 

[Montelo]

Do a measurement with another program, if you see the same thing, see if the FCLK frequency is operating at 1800. Also, check in the bios if SMT is disabled and makes the processor run at 6/6.


Maybe it will help you.

i uninstalled MSI Afterburner because i thought im getting those problems because of it, but the same thing still happens

It's on the Graphics Card tab

I have a couple of hypotheses
1. It's a bios thing, sometimes drives can be run using IDE mode instead of AHCI, but bios has been updated already
2. It's a usb thing, sometimes IO devices can cause lags
3. It's a CPU/Mobo thing, sometimes CPUs/Mobos are bad
4. Power delivery issue, sometimes having everything plugged-in in the same outlet can cause a voltage issue, although GPU voltage looks fine to me

Maybe something else, can't think of any rn
HWInfo sensors screenshots would be useful

What exactly do you want to see in HWInfo there is a lot in the sensor tab

i just Downloaded Monster Hunter Wilds for testing purposes

https://imgur.com/a/9u9tuoz

This is how it looks, the GPU Usage Drops in this clip

 

[Apocalypsee]

Just a hunch, can you try with just one RAM kit instead of both kit?

 

[iSpeakVeryWell]

Here some things that could help:

System > Display > Graphics > Advance graphics settings : Turn off Hardware-accelerated GPU scheduling

Turn off Reflex or Anti-Lag if it's on, things that improve latency will introduce stutter.

Make sure you changed your power settings through the Control Panel. Use High Performance.

Make sure game mode is on.

Make sure you didn't messed with the page file. Let Windows manage the page file itself.

 

[Montelo]

Just a hunch, can you try with just one RAM kit instead of both kit?

I did that already, its in the things i have tried section in the bottom of my post

Here some things that could help:

System > Display > Graphics > Advance graphics settings : Turn off Hardware-accelerated GPU scheduling

Turn off Reflex or Anti-Lag if it's on, things that improve latency will introduce stutter.

Make sure you changed your power settings through the Control Panel. Use High Performance.

Make sure game mode is on.

Make sure you didn't messed with the page file. Let Windows manage the page file itself.

I played around with those setting before it didnt help either sadly power setting didnt change anything doesnt matter if its in Balanced or High Performance for me.

Never Used Reflex.

I tried GPU scheduling on and off same thing, same with Game mode

 

[R1nge]

I did that already, its in the things i have tried section in the bottom of my post

I played around with those setting before it didnt help either sadly power setting didnt change anything doesnt matter if its in Balanced or High Performance for me.

Never Used Reflex.

I tried GPU scheduling on and off same thing, same with Game mode

Are you running the GPU using such a cable by any chance?