Going from Ryzen1 to Ryzen3 on Asrock B450M pro4

HalfAHertz · Dec 9, 2022

Hi,

I decided the prices are finally right to warrant an update and wanted to ask if anyone's done the same on a similar board. I'm going from a 2400G to a 5700G. The part that worries me is that the support for each is in on a totally different BIOS versions and that each version doesn't support the other CPU. Has anyone gone through a similar update on a similar board? If so do you have any tips and tricks or a quick guide? Should I update straight to the latest beta bios?

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B450M Pro4/index.asp#BIOS

I'm currently on bios version 3.50:

I'm planning on doing the following:
- Update to the latest stable (5.30) while still using the 2400G.
- Shut down, turn off and swap the CPUs.
- Take out the CMOS and wait 2 mins.
- Pray to all the deities that I didn't brick it

- Put everything back together and boot it back up

BlaezaLite · Dec 9, 2022

I've just gone from a 3600 to a 5700X on a MSI b450m mortar max. Go for the latest bios and cross your balls whilst updating it! Should be as simple as you've listed really. I tried to clear my CMOS, but didn't leave the battery out long enough so still had my memory OC intact, lol. Saved me bugging people on here again, haha.

The King · Dec 9, 2022

Blaeza said:
I've just gone from a 3600 to a 5700X on a MSI b450m mortar max. Go for the latest bios and cross your balls whilst updating it! Should be as simple as you've listed really. I tried to clear my CMOS, but didn't leave the battery out long enough so still had my memory OC intact, lol. Saved me bugging people on here again, haha.

The B450M Mortar Max is abit special has it does have to be upgraded to support ZEN 3 but once it is upgraded it can support most Ryzen 1XXX/2XXX/3XXX/5XXX because it has a 32MB Bios flash chip.
Most boards have only 16MB that is why they have to remove support of older GEN Ryzen CPUS for the new GEN Ryzen CPUs to work.

There is basically not enough space to support all Ryzen GEN CPUs on most AM4 16MB BIOS chips.

@HalfAHertz just follow the guidelines as per your motherboard instruction manual or website and you should be fine.

HalfAHertz · Dec 9, 2022

The King said:
The B450M Mortar Max is abit special has it does have to be upgraded to support ZEN 3 but once it is upgraded it can support most Ryzen 1XXX/2XXX/3XXX/5XXX because it has a 32MB Bios flash chip.
Most boards have only 16MB that is why they have to remove support of older GEN Ryzen CPUS for the new GEN Ryzen CPUs to work.

There is basically not enough space to support all Ryzen GEN CPUs on most AM4 16MB BIOS chips.

@HalfAHertz just follow the guidelines as per your motherboard instruction manual or website and you should be fine.

The problem with following the guide is that the mobo is quite old and there's 0 info about updating to a totally different CPU generation

tabascosauz · Dec 9, 2022

HalfAHertz said:
The problem with following the guide is that the mobo is quite old and there's 0 info about updating to a totally different CPU generation

There's nothing different about upgrading to any CPU generation unless ASRock has laid out its own procedures or limitations.

For example, around 3000 launch Gigabyte was requiring a specific update process with a number of intermediate BIOSes that must be upgraded to in that order. I don't think any of the vendors have done much of that anymore post-2020.

If you want to be sure, there are a lot of SMU checker programs that you can use to read the BIOS file you've downloaded to determine for sure what CPUs are supported in that file. I don't have a link but they're easy to find.

You just follow your usual in-BIOS update procedure, power off after it's finished and rebooted, and swap CPUs.

If your board doesn't have BIOS flashback all you can do is hope for the best. There is no way around it. Hence why post-X570 most boards have adopted the feature (and now it's a core vendor-agnostic AM5 platform feature).

The King · Dec 9, 2022

If you bought your 5700G from a physical PC store then some of them may do the BIOS upgrade for free.
If bought online then also check with a local PC store if they can help you or maybe charge a small fee to do it for you.

Depending on where you live this can be a good option to look at.

Mussels · Dec 9, 2022

HalfAHertz said:
Hi,

I decided the prices are finally right to warrant an update and wanted to ask if anyone's done the same on a similar board. I'm going from a 2400G to a 5700G. The part that worries me is that the support for each is in on a totally different BIOS versions and that each version doesn't support the other CPU. Has anyone gone through a similar update on a similar board? If so do you have any tips and tricks or a quick guide? Should I update straight to the latest beta bios?

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B450M Pro4/index.asp#BIOS

I'm currently on bios version 3.50:
View attachment 273650

I'm planning on doing the following:
- Update to the latest stable (5.30) while still using the 2400G.
- Shut down, turn off and swap the CPUs.
- Take out the CMOS and wait 2 mins.
- Pray to all the deities that I didn't brick it
- Put everything back together and boot it back up

The final BIOS supports em all, they're just not guaranteeing things will work 100% (you might not have PBO functions or something like that)

HalfAHertz · Dec 11, 2022

Success!

Asrock just released v5.70 non beta, so I went with that. If anyone goes the same route as me and has 4 sticks of ram installed, make sure to reomove two first. I had some issues booting after the bios update.

I had forgotten what a PITA the cooler mount was on AM4. I barely managed to take the cooler off and when I did, I noticed 1/4th of the old cpu was uncovered by the paste and instead all of the excess had gone under the socket

This time around I tried to first manually spread the paste to make sure it covers the whole die (I left ~5mm empty space from the edge of the cpu)

Temps seem to be a little high. After ~10 mins of benching with cpu-Z, it hit 80C. Not sure if that's normal for 5700G. The old 2400G was hovering around 65C under stress (probably because of the poor thermal paste application) with half the cores. At idle the temps are around 32-40C.

Performance seems really good:
https://valid.x86.fr/2mc5xr [CPU-Z]

Easily around 1.75x the 2400G in single thread

tabascosauz · Dec 11, 2022

HalfAHertz said:
Success!

This time around I tried to first manually spread the paste to make sure it covers the whole die (I left ~5mm empty space from the edge of the cpu)

not sure exactly what this means, or what your cooler is

but the 5700G can still get a bit warm under extended load at stock 88W with lower end coolers + bad airflow, 80C doesn't look too inappropriate

scores look fine considering DDR4-2666 old kit of mystery ram

APUs are surprisingly lenient when it comes to paste application. 3/4 of my APUs have subpar cooler contact and leave about 10-20% of the IHS dry. It doesn't affect that much

Mussels · Dec 12, 2022

The APU's tend to be lower wattage than their big boy cousins, hence the lower temperatures - having half the cache certainly reduces heat
I prefer to use a spread method (using a plastic bag usually out of laziness) for a thin spread, then a small blob in the center to spread if needed

eidairaman1 · Dec 12, 2022

HalfAHertz said:
The problem with following the guide is that the mobo is quite old and there's 0 info about updating to a totally different CPU generation

Dude go on asrock website it supports Zen 3

Mussels · Dec 12, 2022

HalfAHertz said:
The problem with following the guide is that the mobo is quite old and there's 0 info about updating to a totally different CPU generation

How'd i miss this?

You just flash the latest BIOS and then put the new CPU in. That's it.
Theres various warnings on older BIOSes, but none on the latest because it doesnt have the issues those betas did.

liquidplasma · Dec 21, 2022

HalfAHertz said:
Success!

View attachment 273988

Asrock just released v5.70 non beta, so I went with that. If anyone goes the same route as me and has 4 sticks of ram installed, make sure to reomove two first. I had some issues booting after the bios update.

I had forgotten what a PITA the cooler mount was on AM4. I barely managed to take the cooler off and when I did, I noticed 1/4th of the old cpu was uncovered by the paste and instead all of the excess had gone under the socket

This time around I tried to first manually spread the paste to make sure it covers the whole die (I left ~5mm empty space from the edge of the cpu)

Temps seem to be a little high. After ~10 mins of benching with cpu-Z, it hit 80C. Not sure if that's normal for 5700G. The old 2400G was hovering around 65C under stress (probably because of the poor thermal paste application) with half the cores. At idle the temps are around 32-40C.

View attachment 273989

Performance seems really good:
https://valid.x86.fr/2mc5xr [CPU-Z]

Easily around 1.75x the 2400G in single thread

looks ok to me, normally benchmark temperatures rarely matter because you'll never get those on casual gaming, especially on a 8/16

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