GTX580 with 85° in idle

Warrgarbl · Nov 4, 2013

[SOLVED] GTX580 with 85° in idle

Hello everyone,

I have a secondary PC at work which I use for gaming during work breaks or testing new software since my company PC is locked down hard. Specs are on here. It has a reference design GTX580 from Zotac which I got out of a PC that had a leaking liquid cooler. Ventilation is good and I clean it every 2-3 months.

So far it has held up well, but when I wanted to game a bit in my lunch break today the fan spun up to what seemed to be 100%, and just as I wanted to shut down the game it switched itself off. Okay, I thought, another dead card. I then disassembled the card, cooled it down with cooling spray, cleaned everything, applied new TIM and put it back in.

Well, no artifacts and it still works. However, same problem as before, as in 85° when it sits idle on the desktop, and gaming will probably kill it. As far as I could tell there is a cap on the actual GPU. Maybe the TIM below the cap has come off the die?

Any way to fix it? It wouldn't be a huge loss or anything because free stuff is free, but a GTX580 is still somewhat powerful and my only free replacement would be an old GTX460.

See the attached screenshot for temps and fan speeds. I was toying with it a little, but bottom line is 85° in idle with ~60% fan speed.

douglatins · Nov 4, 2013

Dust bunnies? Try cleaning the videocard with compressed air or paintbrush. Hold the fan down though

Warrgarbl · Nov 4, 2013

As I wrote in my opening post I have already disassembled it completely. I also blow through my system with compressed air every 2-3 months. I wish it would be that simple

Ruru · Nov 4, 2013

What's the GPU usage when it's idle?

Warrgarbl · Nov 4, 2013

0%. See the attached image for details.

the54thvoid · Nov 4, 2013

When you say there is a cap on the gpu die, what do you mean? Is there something covering the gpu die other than the thermal paste?

RCoon · Nov 4, 2013

the54thvoid said:
When you say there is a cap on the gpu die, what do you mean? Is there something covering the gpu die other than the thermal paste?

I think he means a heatspreader

Warrgarbl · Nov 4, 2013

No, I don't mean a heatspreader. It is the same as the cap found on a desktop CPU.

See http://images.bit-tech.net/content_...80-directcu-ii/asus-gtx-580-directcuii-14.jpg

This isn't my card, but it's the exact same chip.

RCoon · Nov 4, 2013

Warrgarbl said:
No, I don't mean a heatspreader. It is the same as the cap found on a desktop CPU.

See http://images.bit-tech.net/content_...80-directcu-ii/asus-gtx-580-directcuii-14.jpg

Yes, an IHS, aka a heatspreader

Warrgarbl · Nov 4, 2013

Oh, okay. Learned something new I guess, I always assumed it was just a cap that had the function of protecting the die from too much mounting pressure, using TIM to bridge the gap.

the54thvoid · Nov 4, 2013

Okay your gpu-z is crazy. Video load might be 0% but your voltage says 1.47v wtf? Never mind the 56 A???

Could this be virus or have you flashed any bios?

RCoon · Nov 4, 2013

the54thvoid said:
Could this be virus or have you flashed any bios?

look for something in Task Manager called IEHighUtil
funky bitcoin mining virus.

Warrgarbl · Nov 4, 2013

Somewhat unlikely because I only use that PC at work. I'm behind a network firewall, have an AV running and stay away from shady sites.

I didn't notice the voltages. I'll switch machines and have a look.

qubit · Nov 4, 2013

Ok, the obvious thing is perhaps the cooler isn't making good contact somehow. You seem to know what you're doing with dismantling it, so perhaps take a closer look to check it's making proper contact? Perhaps check out a video that shows one of these being taken apart to see if there's anything you missed?

Also, if 3D clocks are enabled while on the desktops, the card will run significantly hotter, but not 85C. Flash videos in your browser typically enable them. Try using MSI Afterburner to check the clocks.

You're right about this still being a powerful card. I've got one like it and it blasts through anything. In fact, two in SLI.

Warrgarbl · Nov 4, 2013

I had a look at Zotac's tuning software which I installed out of curiosity a while back and my voltage seems to be LOCKED at 1.6V. I am unable to decrease it. I never touched that setting though. In fact, all I did was see how much the fan speed profile could be influenced.

Maybe I should try to flash the card's BIOS? I never did that before, though.

There are no suspicious or new processes running.

Warrgarbl · Nov 4, 2013

qubit said:
Ok, the obvious thing is perhaps the cooler isn't making good contact somehow. You seem to know what you're doing with dismantling it, so perhaps take a closer look to check it's making proper contact? Perhaps check out a video that shows one of these being taken apart to see if there's anything you missed?

Also, if 3D clocks are enabled while on the desktops, the card will run significantly hotter, but not 85C. Flash videos in your browser typically enable them. Try using MSI Afterburner to check the clocks.

You're right about this still being a powerful card. I've got one like it and it blasts through anything. In fact, two in SLI.

Contact seems to be fine. I applied a new, thin layer of Arctic MX-4. Didn't lift it back up though because of air pockets, but it seemed to "swim" on the TIM, which is usually a good sign. The old TIM was spread very evenly, so I think there shouldn't be a problem.

Keep in mind though that the card was pretty wet due to a leaking water cooler. I assumed that it might have finally kicked the bucket due to that.

Well, I currently game on a 19" with 1.280 x 1.024, and the 580 is plenty for that

de.das.dude · Nov 4, 2013

your thermal paste looks all dried up, i hope you are using proper thermal paste.
and enough of it.

clean both the ihs and the heatsink with a tissue and some rubing alcohol.
then apply thermal paste.

Warrgarbl · Nov 4, 2013

I did that and used Arctic MX-4. The image I posted is not my card.

Bo$$ · Nov 4, 2013

remove the Zotac software, install MSI after burner bring Voltage down to standard. no problemo.

Warrgarbl · Nov 4, 2013

Well, everything seems to be back to normal. I uninstalled Zotac Firestorm and the card returned to default. See the attached image.

Last week I bought a Zotac GTX770 AMP! for my private PC, and I wanted to see if I could modify the fan speeds with that software. Good thing I tried it on my secondary work machine first. Seems to be a horrible piece of software.

I am amazed though that the card survived this without permanent damage. Artifacts after POST usually mean that it is damaged beyond repair. Oh well, at least it now has new TIM.

Thank you for your assistance guys!

Warrgarbl · Nov 4, 2013

Bo$$ said:
remove the Zotac software, install MSI after burner bring Voltage down to standard. no problemo.

I have read about MSI's software a lot. Is it that superior to other manufacturer's tools? I had assumed that there would be SOME benefit to using the tool that your hardware vendor supplies.

Bo$$ · Nov 4, 2013

Warrgarbl said:
Well, everything seems to be back to normal. I uninstalled Zotac Firestorm and the card returned to default. See the attached image.

Last week I bought a Zotac GTX770 AMP! for my private PC, and I wanted to see if I could modify the fan speeds with that software. Good thing I tried it on my secondary work machine first. Seems to be a horrible piece of software.

I am amazed though that the card survived this without permanent damage. Artifacts after POST usually mean that it is damaged beyond repair. Oh well, at least it now has new TIM.

Thank you for your assistance guys!

Warrgarbl said:
I have read about MSI's software a lot. Is it that superior to other manufacturer's tools? I had assumed that there would be SOME benefit to use the tool that your hardware vendor supplies.

Yes Well done!

Msi is preferred because they update it frequently and it's 99.8% stable

Hope you have fun!

IF IT'S WORKING DONT FIX IT

qubit · Nov 4, 2013

Warrgarbl said:
I had a look at Zotac's tuning software which I installed out of curiosity a while back and my voltage seems to be LOCKED at 1.6V. I am unable to decrease it. I never touched that setting though. In fact, all I did was see how much the fan speed profile could be influenced.

Maybe I should try to flash the card's BIOS? I never did that before, though.

There are no suspicious or new processes running.

That voltage seems rather high, although I don't know the normal operating voltage of that GPU - try a google search to find out. Certainly don't flash the BIOS as that's likely to brick it, especially considering there's already a fault on the card. Anyway, if the BIOS had been corrupted, the card would have already been bricked.

EDIT: just seen your post saying all fixed.

Warrgarbl · Nov 4, 2013

Quick question... is there still a way to disable the intentional throttling for Furmark? The command line switch for GPU-Z doesn't seem to work for me (on Vista).

Bo$$ · Nov 4, 2013

Warrgarbl said:
Quick question... is there still a way to disable the intentional throttling for Furmark? The command line switch for GPU-Z doesn't seem to work for me (on Vista).

There is a way, just use another program, like MSI Kombustor or OCCT if you want to stress test

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