High-Performance Laptops to Experience a Price Increase Next Year, Razer CEO Confirms

[AleksandarK]

Razer's CEO, Min-Liang Tan, has said in a Tweet that the company's flagship laptop model will receive a price increase due to increased component costs. According to previous reports, the whole supply chain is seeing an increasing amount of pressure in the form of demand and supply's inability to satisfy it. Manufacturing costs have also risen, resulting in more expensive products that consumers end up buying. For a while now, graphics cards have been very hard to obtain, and their selling price is way higher than their launch MSRP target.

According to the Razer CEO, as they reviewed the company lineup of laptops, it appears that their Razer Blade model for 2022 will receive a significant price bump. This is the result of "significant increases in component costs etc.," which means that the end product will absorb those increases. We are left to wonder if all high-performance laptop makers like MSI, ASUS, GIGABYTE, etc., will follow Razer and their decision to increase the price point.


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[ixi]

Does anyone from TPU use razer laptop with powerful cpu and gpu? Looking at the size of these "razer" laptops they can't handle the full loads and most likely will throttle to the ground .

 

[thegnome]

Cash grab really, don't care for them at all unless it's some good quality stuff thats discounted.

 

[TheDeeGee]

Only a fool would buy anything Razer.

 

[dgianstefani]

Does anyone from TPU use razer laptop with powerful cpu and gpu? Looking at the size of these "razer" laptops they can't handle the full loads and most likely will throttle to the ground .

I had the blade 2019 advanced with 9750h and 2070, pushed games comfortably at 240fps on the 1080p screen like Siege maxed out. Still being used by my mate, but he mostly just plays valheim.

 

[Yraggul666]

But of course they will see a price bump and yes, of course MSI, Gigabutt and Asus will follow suite.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Repeat after me: "there is no inflation, there is no inflation, there is no inflation".

Laptops were already a terrible price/perf combo compared to desktops, now in the midst of "shortages" they want to make it even worse. The entire market is in a huge bubble right now, and increases liek this are only going to further worsen the impact when it all comes umbling down.

 

[ixi]

Repeat after me: "there is no inflation, there is no inflation, there is no inflation".

Laptops were already a terrible price/perf combo compared to desktops, now in the midst of "shortages" they want to make it even worse. The entire market is in a huge bubble right now, and increases liek this are only going to further worsen the impact when it all comes umbling down.

Somehow seeing that GPU and PSU, Mobo prices are still only going up i doubt that they will ever go down :[.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Somehow seeing that GPU and PSU, Mobo prices are still only going up i doubt that they will ever go down :[.

The way the market is now, I agree

However, the 2008 recession caused a 180 turn on computer hardware prices for years to come. Right now we've got multiple bubbles, in real estate, in crypto, the stock market, and the jobs market. The question is which will blow up first?

 

[Space Lynx]

Repeat after me: "there is no inflation, there is no inflation, there is no inflation".

Laptops were already a terrible price/perf combo compared to desktops, now in the midst of "shortages" they want to make it even worse. The entire market is in a huge bubble right now, and increases liek this are only going to further worsen the impact when it all comes umbling down.

yep, when the first major dump of stock comes, its going to come crashing down hard and fast due to fear... the higher you climb...

seeing how easy it is for Omicron to infect fully vaccinated vs Delta and older variants, I imagine that tumble will be soon. can't exactly keep asking 68 yr olds to make min wage at a part time job as cashier cause their social security isn't enough to retire on, and also face Omicron. America is broken, always has been, and Covid has been shining a light down its crevices for awhile now, Omicron will be a bigger light.

 

[Ruru]

Only a fool would buy anything Razer.

Kinda true. At least their products have hella huge brand premium, but IIRC their products isn't that crappy?

 

[seth1911]

The way the market is now, I agree

However, the 2008 recession caused a 180 turn on computer hardware prices for years to come. Right now we've got multiple bubbles, in real estate, in crypto, the stock market, and the jobs market. The question is which will blow up first?

real estate in 1 or 2 years or in a year the gastronomy with this corona politic in some countrys

 

[Cheeseball]

Does anyone from TPU use razer laptop with powerful cpu and gpu? Looking at the size of these "razer" laptops they can't handle the full loads and most likely will throttle to the ground .

The 2021 Razer Blade 14 with 5900HX and RTX 3070 says "Hi". Throttling doesn't occur until 95C CPU and above 85C GPU. From what I tested (aside from Jarrod's results below), it averages 75C CPU and 70C GPU with both being limited to 45W and 100W respectively.

If you stay on the built-in Vega iGPU for work, I've gotten around 8 hours of battery life (100% to around 15%) just watching YouTube, MPV (H264 and HEVC videos) and VS Code/Slack/Teams.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Zero f#ck$ given. They can quadruple the price if they want, no has has to buy it.

 

[Caring1]

Razer Laptops would only be worth the money if they came with an E-GPU to get the best performance.

 

[Cheeseball]

Razer Laptops would only be worth the money if they came with an E-GPU to get the best performance.

Nah, the eGPUs aren't worth it if you're just aiming for gaming. The 25% (to an external monitor) to 45% (back to the laptop panel) performance loss overhead makes that not worth the cost. It is good for machine learning and other GPGPU-related tasks though, and the newer eGPUs enclosures are really good TB3/TB4 docks (100+ W charging, multiple USB ports, etc.).

I say this with a Mantiz Saturn Pro and an early-2020 Razer Blade Stealth 13.

 

[nguyen]

Nah, the eGPUs aren't worth it if you're just aiming for gaming. The 25% (to an external monitor) to 45% (back to the laptop panel) performance loss overhead makes that not worth the cost. It is good for machine learning and other GPGPU-related tasks though, and the newer eGPUs enclosures are really good TB3/TB4 docks (100+ W charging, multiple USB ports, etc.).

I say this with a Mantiz Saturn Pro and an early-2020 Razer Blade Stealth 13.

You can try increasing the power limit (PL1/PL2) of your laptop CPU (using throttlestop) when using eGPU, since the laptop dGPU is no longer active it free up the cooling capability for CPU. My 10875H laptop can go 100W on the CPU without thermal throttling in Cinebench but only 45W in game when dGPU is active. This is very relevant because Intel CPU scale well with additional power.

 

[R0H1T]

The entire market is in a huge bubble right now, and increases liek this are only going to further worsen the impact when it all comes umbling down.

It won't, the supply is still majorly constrained at the top end for the foreseeable future! Maybe once Intel doubles their capacity for "10nm" or bring "7nm" mainstream can we see a moderation let alone price reduction. Of course there are certain segments where prices can decrease due to competition but that's few & far between.

 

[Tomorrow]

Nah, the eGPUs aren't worth it if you're just aiming for gaming. The 25% (to an external monitor) to 45% (back to the laptop panel) performance loss overhead makes that not worth the cost. It is good for machine learning and other GPGPU-related tasks though, and the newer eGPUs enclosures are really good TB3/TB4 docks (100+ W charging, multiple USB ports, etc.).

I say this with a Mantiz Saturn Pro and an early-2020 Razer Blade Stealth 13.

Not to mention that most laptops have weak CPU's that will bottleneck eGPU's. That's why they never took off. And a laptop powerful enought to handle a decent eGPU always (99% of time) already has powerful dGPU included. So hooking up an eGPU is mostly pointless waste of money anyway. There are very few laptops with top of the line CPU's that lack dGPU's.

 

[dgianstefani]

Not to mention that most laptops have weak CPU's that will bottleneck eGPU's. That's why they never took off. And a laptop powerful enought to handle a decent eGPU always (99% of time) already has powerful dGPU included. So hooking up an eGPU is mostly pointless waste of money anyway. There are very few laptops with top of the line CPU's that lack dGPU's.

you are wrong. The 9750h laptop I used to use, which is outdated by now with 11/12th gen intel did better than Zen 2 in HFR gaming.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

It won't, the supply is still majorly constrained at the top end for the foreseeable future! Maybe once Intel doubles their capacity for "10nm" or bring "7nm" mainstream can we see a moderation let alone price reduction. Of course there are certain segments where prices can decrease due to competition but that's few & far between.

Supply isnt contrained though. Intel, AMD, and nvidia are still selling record numbers of chips and raking in the dough. There's no getting around it, they are making tons of products, those products are either selling in asia imediately (to miners and the like) or getting scalped immediately upon arriving at a retailer. Just like in 2014, when this mining bubble finally deflates the market will be positively flodded with ex mining cards.

yep, when the first major dump of stock comes, its going to come crashing down hard and fast due to fear... the higher you climb...

seeing how easy it is for Omicron to infect fully vaccinated vs Delta and older variants, I imagine that tumble will be soon. can't exactly keep asking 68 yr olds to make min wage at a part time job as cashier cause their social security isn't enough to retire on, and also face Omicron. America is broken, always has been, and Covid has been shining a light down its crevices for awhile now, Omicron will be a bigger light.

Oh no! A couple days of being sore! However will we cope?!?

As usual, and just like the last 3 times the media cried wolf (delta, delta plus, mu) Omicron is not going to be spanish flu 2: coof boogaloo. Even the CDC has come out and said that Omicron is no worse then the previous strains, and those were less desly then the original strain was. We'll be fine.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

seeing how easy it is for Omicron to infect fully vaccinated vs Delta and older variants, I imagine that tumble will be soon. can't exactly keep asking 68 yr olds to make min wage at a part time job as cashier cause their social security isn't enough to retire on, and also face Omicron. America is broken, always has been, and Covid has been shining a light down its crevices for awhile now, Omicron will be a bigger light.

Oh no! A couple days of being sore! However will we cope?!?

As usual, and just like the last 3 times the media cried wolf (delta, delta plus, mu) Omicron is not going to be spanish flu 2: coof boogaloo. Even the CDC has come out and said that Omicron is no worse then the previous strains, and those were less desly then the original strain was. We'll be fine.

Let's please not turn this into a COVID discussion...

 

[Cheeseball]

Not to mention that most laptops have weak CPU's that will bottleneck eGPU's. That's why they never took off. And a laptop powerful enought to handle a decent eGPU always (99% of time) already has powerful dGPU included. So hooking up an eGPU is mostly pointless waste of money anyway. There are very few laptops with top of the line CPU's that lack dGPU's.

Hmm... Not exactly. The majority of Dell's XPS, Lenovo's ThinkPad (P and T-series), MSI's Creator (Z) line ups do have laptops that do have low-powered GTX 1650, MX350/450 "discrete" GPUs paired with either the 10875H, 11800H, 5800H, 5900HS and HX CPUs. Those CPUs are just as good as the desktop Ryzen 5 3600, 3700X and i7-8700K from yesteryear.

In fact the older i7-9750H that has been modified to go beyond 45W can match a stock desktop 8700 non-K in gaming and light workloads. They are basically the same chips but TDP limited for mobile use.

The bottleneck is not the CPU, but the PCI-E 3.0 4x interface that Thunderbolt 3 and 4 are currently using. That is limited to 40 Gbps without including the return overhead (effectively 32 Gbps or 30 Gbps if USB3 goes through the same lane, not to mention the upstream bandwidth if you don't use an external monitor directly on the eGPU).

 

[Tomorrow]

you are wrong. The 9750h laptop I used to use, which is outdated by now with 11/12th gen intel did better than Zen 2 in HFR gaming.

This example has nothing to do with eGPU CPU botttleneck and and more to do with 9th gen being better for HFR than Zen 2. Tho the same did not always apply on desktop.

Hmm... Not exactly. The majority of Dell's XPS, Lenovo's ThinkPad (P and T-series), MSI's Creator (Z) line ups do have laptops that do have low-powered GTX 1650, MX350/450 "discrete" GPUs paired with either the 10875H, 11800H, 5800H, 5900HS and HX CPUs. Those CPUs are just as good as the desktop Ryzen 5 3600, 3700X and i7-8700K from yesteryear.

In fact the older i7-9750H that has been modified to go beyond 45W can match a stock desktop 8700 non-K in gaming and light workloads. They are basically the same chips but TDP limited for mobile use.

The bottleneck is not the CPU, but the PCI-E 3.0 4x interface that Thunderbolt 3 and 4 are currently using. That is limited to 40 Gbps without including the return overhead (effectively 32 Gbps or 30 Gbps if USB3 goes through the same lane, not to mention the upstream bandwidth if you don't use an external monitor directly on the eGPU).

Im mainly talking about the ones that have no dGPU. Out of the models currently in sale that lack dGPU only one is an i9 model and only two are Ryzen 9. The rest are far weaker CPU's.

Out of the Ryzen 9 models that do have a dGPU majority already includes a powerful dGPU. 85 total out of wich 22 are 3070, 18 are 3080 and 15 are 3060. That's 55 out of 85. The models you mention with low end dGPU's is in the single digits at best accounting for only 1 that has 1650 in it.

Out of the Core i9 models that do have a dGPU 1/3rd already includes a powerful dGPU. 109 total out of wich 24 are 3080, 8 are 3070 and 7 are 3060. That's 39 out of 109. Suprisingly 54 are professional GPU's. The models with low end dGPU's is in the single digits again accounting for only 1 that has 1650 in it.
So on Intel's side it's even more skewed.

Numbers are based on Geizhals.de data. So im not imagining these and i stand by my statement that most laptops with powerful CPU's also already include a powerful dGPU making hooking up an eGPU mostly pointless on lower end CPU models.

I do agree tho that there are other connection related bottlenecks too that further eat away performance in addition to the CPU one.
And unlike eGPU that has it's own enclosure, cooling and PSU the CPU in a laptop is always constrained and TDP limited by the laptop's own design.

 

[Am*]

Of course they are. That's why they called themselves Razer and their laptops Blades -- they're been using said Blades to scalp their customers since 2005...