How about AMD instead of Intel?

[denixius]

Hello,

I have been using Intel for a long while, and have had no problem so far, until now, for one or two years. I'm not happy with its gaming performance for at least a year, and wanted to wait for a good discount on the next product. Because I'm having a lot of problems with the gaming performance nowadays (especially with Victoria 3, as I explained below), I've decided to purchase AMD. I was reading things here and community platforms about AMD's current performance for gaming, seems to me not that bad. Right?

So, my problem is mostly because of freezing and lower gaming performance due to the bad performance of the CPU. The game goes well for a while, like from 15 minutes to 25 minutes, and then suddenly, first the game and then my computer freezes. Completely. Also, other users are having the same problem, too; although I'm not sure if it's caused by incompatibility with Version 24H2 and Intel CPUs, my friends are having the same issue on other games with their Intel CPUs, e.g., while playing the Alters.

I'm currently using an i5 11400F, and it seems that Windows Version 24H2 killed the gaming performance for most of the hardware, and my CPU is one of them. I want a decent performance for my Victoria 3 kinda games, and some other games released nowadays.

Now, I'm planning to purchase the following hardware to use with my current RTX 3060 Ti, 850W PSU, and Versa T27 TG ARGB Mid Tower Chassis. Do you think it can be a good investment for like, five years from now? I'm playing most of the video games, especially role-playing games and grand-strategy games.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600X - link to official AMD website
Motherboard: MSI PRO B840M-B - link to official MSI website
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake TH240 V2 - link to official Thermaltake website
RAMs: CORSAIR 32GB (2x16GB) Vengeance 6400MHz CL32 DDR5 - link to official Corsair website

The above hardware is at a good price for me now, and I want to close the gap by purchasing these now.

Thanks,

 

[dgianstefani]

You can turn off a few of the Windows Defender Virtualisation security stuff. CFG, VBS etc. That should help. Or do a clean install of Windows. The game you're running isn't particularly demanding.

I wouldn't really recommend building a new rig right now.

Both vendors are towards the end of their product lifecycle. Intel has a refresh coming, but isn't a major upgrade in gaming performance over the previous gen Raptor Lake. Nova Lake next year looks very promising. AMD is on their second refresh of 800 series boards, which use the same 600 series chipsets released with AM5. These single/dual chipset solutions kinda suck because they're connected to CPU via x4 PCIE Gen 4, and even daisy chain, meaning everything connected to chipsets, USB, M.2, PCIe slots, networking etc, all share four gen 4 lanes. Intel at least currently uses x8 Gen 4, but the platform isn't much of an upgrade over Raptor Lake for gaming. Zen 6 looks promising, and the new chipset and boards it comes with should be a step forwards.

I would try a fresh Windows install, tweak a few security settings that can severely impact CPU performance on older CPUs. Before buying a whole new platform just before redesigned CPUs and Chipsets come out.

If you are set on a new platform, the only compelling CPUs from AMD for gaming are their X3D chips. For everything below those, Arrow Lake or Raptor Lake offer the same gaming performance and better productivity performance/platform, for better prices.

You're also not going to be able to run 6400 MT memory on a cheap B840 mobo if you still went with the partlist you have.

 

[denixius]

You can turn off a few of the Windows Defender Virtualisation security stuff. CFG, VBS etc. That should help. Or do a clean install of Windows. The game you're running isn't particularly demanding.

I wouldn't really recommend building a new rig right now.

Both vendors are towards the end of their product lifecycle. Intel has a refresh coming, but isn't a major upgrade in gaming performance over the previous gen Raptor Lake. Nova Lake next year looks very promising. AMD is on their second refresh of 800 series boards, which use the same 600 series chipsets released with AM5. These single/dual chipset solutions kinda suck because they're connected to CPU via x4 PCIE Gen 4, and even daisy chain, meaning everything connected to chipsets, USB, M.2 etc, all share four gen 4 lanes. Intel at least currently uses x8 Gen 4, but the platform isn't much of an upgrade over Raptor Lake for gaming. Zen 6 looks promising, and the new chipset and boards it comes with should be a step forwards.

I would try a fresh Windows install, tweak a few security settings that can severely impact CPU performance on older CPUs. Before buying a whole new platform just before redesigned CPUs and Chipsets come out.

If you are set on a new platform, the only compelling CPUs from AMD for gaming are their X3D chips. For everything below those, Arrow Lake or Raptor Lake offer the same gaming performance and better productivity performance/platform, for better prices.

I found a good discount for AMD Ryzen 5 7600X, and that tempted me. I actually wanted to do some upgrades, and as I said, I waited for a good price/discount. Since I caught that discount, and have a chance, I thought that I could now upgrade my system. Because of some economic instability in my country, it is difficult to catch a good discount or price nowadays. This also makes me think of upgrading now.

 

[dgianstefani]

I found a good discount for AMD Ryzen 5 7600X, and that tempted me. I actually wanted to do some upgrades, and as I said, I waited for a good price/discount. Since I caught that discount, I thought that I could now upgrade my system. Because of some economic instability in my country, it is difficult to catch a good discount or price nowadays. This also makes me think to upgrade now.

It's up to you. But I wouldn't. 11400F is fine for the game you play, and for the 3060 Ti you've paired it with. Fix the software issues introduced with the new 24H2 by changing some settings rather than spending money you don't need to. If you do want to upgrade, at least get a current 8 core, like 9700 or 265K, which are similar in price, but 265K also has 12 E cores.

 

[nomdeplume]

If you are gpu bound in games, you are gpu bound in games. 3080ti would be a nice drop in upgrade.

For many here the only upgrade would be an actual top tier mobo for current cpu or an unbelievable price for gpu that brought substantial improvements you actually needed. Both having great potential for bringing continued enjoyment.

 

[dgianstefani]

If you are gpu bound in games, you are gpu bound in games. 3080ti would be a nice drop in upgrade.

For many here the only upgrade would be an actual top tier mobo for current cpu or an unbelievable price for gpu that brought substantial improvements you actually needed. Both having great potential for bringing continued enjoyment.

He's not GPU bound, he updated Windows and it killed his performance. This is something changing some settings can resolve. Even if he was GPU bound, a new RTX 40/5070 would make way more sense for similar money than a two gen old high end used GPU. Speaking as a 3080 Ti owner.

Regardless, the 11400F would somewhat limit a 3080 Ti/5070 tier GPU, so there's not much point upgrading GPU before platform, and it's not a great time to upgrade platform.

 

[Onasi]

He's not GPU bound, he updated Windows and it killed his performance.

That, and even when he will sort this out, either via settings or a fresh install, he would still not be GPU bound for the specific game he mentioned. Vicky 3, like all Grand Strategy games, is a CPU load first and foremost. Buying a 5 year old furnace is definitely not a solution for that.

 

[denixius]

If you are gpu bound in games, you are gpu bound in games. 3080ti would be a nice drop in upgrade.

For many here the only upgrade would be an actual top tier mobo for current cpu or an unbelievable price for gpu that brought substantial improvements you actually needed. Both having great potential for bringing continued enjoyment.

He's not GPU bound, he updated Windows and it killed his performance. This is something changing some settings can resolve. Even if he was GPU bound, a new RTX 40/5070 would make way more sense for similar money than a two gen old high end used GPU. Speaking as a 3080 Ti owner.

Regardless, the 11400F would somewhat limit a 3080 Ti/5070 tier GPU, so there's not much point upgrading GPU before platform, and it's not a great time to upgrade platform.

Yes, the latest Windows update has seriously ruined my gaming performance. When I played Victoria 3 before the update, I was also experiencing performance degradation due to the CPU, because PDX games put a lot of load on the CPU. Since I spend most of my time playing PDX games, I thought it would be a good chance to upgrade my CPU.

That, and even when he will sort this out, either via settings or a fresh install, he would still not be GPU bound for the specific game he mentioned. Vicky 3, like all Grand Strategy games, is a CPU load first and foremost. Buying a 5 year old furnace is definitely not a solution for that.

Then I should pick a newer version CPU.

 

[JustBenching]

Hello,

I have been using Intel for a long while, and have had no problem so far, until now, for one or two years. I'm not happy with its gaming performance for at least a year, and wanted to wait for a good discount on the next product. Because I'm having a lot of problems with the gaming performance nowadays (especially with Victoria 3, as I explained below), I've decided to purchase AMD. I was reading things here and community platforms about AMD's current performance for gaming, seems to me not that bad. Right?

So, my problem is mostly because of freezing and lower gaming performance due to the bad performance of the CPU. The game goes well for a while, like from 15 minutes to 25 minutes, and then suddenly, first the game and then my computer freezes. Completely. Also, other users are having the same problem, too; although I'm not sure if it's caused by incompatibility with Version 24H2 and Intel CPUs, my friends are having the same issue on other games with their Intel CPUs, e.g., while playing the Alters.

I'm currently using an i5 11400F, and it seems that Windows Version 24H2 killed the gaming performance for most of the hardware, and my CPU is one of them. I want a decent performance for my Victoria 3 kinda games, and some other games released nowadays.

Now, I'm planning to purchase the following hardware to use with my current RTX 3060 Ti, 850W PSU, and Versa T27 TG ARGB Mid Tower Chassis. Do you think it can be a good investment for like, five years from now? I'm playing most of the video games, especially role-playing games and grand-strategy games.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600X - link to official AMD website
Motherboard: MSI PRO B840M-B - link to official MSI website
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake TH240 V2 - link to official Thermaltake website
RAMs: CORSAIR 32GB (2x16GB) Vengeance 6400MHz CL32 DDR5 - link to official Corsair website

The above hardware is at a good price for me now, and I want to close the gap by purchasing these now.

Thanks,

Going for a 13600k / 14600k would be cheaper and you can keep on using your ddr4. Of course youd end up with a much more capable cpu as well

 

[dgianstefani]

Going for a 13600k / 14600k would be cheaper and you can keep on using your ddr4. Of course youd end up with a much more capable cpu as well

Yes, $350 13600K/KF with Z690/B760/Z790 board reusing DDR4 would be good.
Or for higher budget $550 265K+32/64 GB DDR5
Or higher still, $850 9800X3D and 64 GB DDR5

Low end Zen parts or 11700K drop in upgrade don't really make sense compared to alternatives. Zen 6 with new packaging might mean non X3D parts not as crippled by chiplet latency, so 10600X might make sense.

I still maintain waiting and saving for Nova Lake/Zen 6 with new boards best option, fresh install and change the Windows settings in mean time.

 

[Rover4444]

Ditto on the 265k. It's a much better value versus everything else. I wouldn't bother with the 7600X, you already have a 6 core CPU, it wouldn't be much of an upgrade I think...

The water cooler is overkill, grab an Arctic 36 and spend the rest on a better board if you're set on AM5, rebranded A620 is fucking tragic.

 

[Onasi]

I still maintain waiting and saving for Nova Lake/Zen 6 with new boards best option, change the Windows settings in mean time.

Meh, I would just fresh install. Probably something got scuffed during the update. He can play with VBS/CFG, but if they were already enabled previously they wouldn’t account for the performance loss and I don’t THINK they turn on by themselves on an update. Certainly didn’t happen to me, but then again I had no issues with 24H2. A clean reinstall is quick and relatively painless and is likely to fix things by itself.

 

[jak_2456]

Meh, I would just fresh install. Probably something got scuffed during the update. He can play with VBS/CFG, but if they were already enabled previously they wouldn’t account for the performance loss and I don’t THINK they turn on by themselves on an update. Certainly didn’t happen to me, but then again I had no issues with 24H2. A clean reinstall is quick and relatively painless and is likely to fix things by itself.

It seems to me that this problem is very much a software-based one, which can very easily lead you into the trap of "I want a hardware upgrade to fix the problem my software created". I'd argue an important rule of PC troubleshooting is to exhaust all your no-cost options first before spending money on hardware; additionally, should the need arise to purchase hardware, start with the lowest-cost hardware first.

 

[dgianstefani]

Where are you from OP?

 

[nomdeplume]

Where are you from OP?

Oh, finally gave that a thought?

Next you will come around on why I recommended a drop in replacement gpu with a bit more graphics power. While agreeing planned upgrade was a dud.

 

[Onasi]

Next you will come around on why I recommended a drop in replacement gpu with a bit more graphics power. While agreeing planned upgrade was a dud.

…huh? Why would a person who said, straight up, that he plays mostly PDX GS titles that are CPU bound by their very nature benefit from a GPU upgrade, let alone a fucking 5 year old space-heater? Not buying anything for the moment and just sorting out his OS makes about 1000% more sense.

 

[Rover4444]

…huh? Why would a person who said, straight up, that he plays mostly PDX GS titles that are CPU bound by their very nature benefit from a GPU upgrade, let alone a fucking 5 year old space-heater? Not buying anything for the moment and just sorting out his OS makes about 1000% more sense.

He's compute limited, a 3080 Ti would defintely help with the CUDA and OptiX-RT versions of the game once they come out

 

[jak_2456]

He's compute limited, a 3080 Ti would defintely help with the CUDA and OptiX-RT versions of the game once they come out

I think we're getting very ahead of ourselves here. OP just mentioned that a recent software update messed up their computer. Let's just focus on trying to restore the performance they had before the update before we tell them that they should buy new hardware to fix their software problem.

 

[dgianstefani]

Oh, finally gave that a thought?

Next you will come around on why I recommended a drop in replacement gpu with a bit more graphics power. While agreeing planned upgrade was a dud.

Honestly can't tell if you're trolling or not at this point. That or you just haven't bothered to read either the OP or the proceeding thread.

 

[brutalame]

go back to win10, problem solved.

 

[jak_2456]

go back to win10, problem solved.

Might not be the best decision given that Windows 10 support ends in October. It would probably be better to just fresh install 24H2; if that still displays the same issues, go back to an older version of Windows 11.

 

[dgianstefani]

Might not be the best decision given that Windows 10 support ends in October. It would probably be better to just fresh install 24H2; if that still displays the same issues, go back to an older version of Windows 11.

10 LTSC or 11 but tweaked.

 

[JustBenching]

Win 10 is the fastest (for alderlake and 9800x 3d at least).

 

[leonavis]

If you don't need Microsoft-specific software, you could try gaming on Linux. I don't think that CPU has such issues there and it's really easy. Maybe buy another SSD and try dual-booting.

If you just want better gaming experience with Windows you could go to something like 5700X3D either, keep the RAM. But new mobo and CPU on such an old platform is somewhat wasted.

 

[nomdeplume]

Honestly can't tell if you're trolling or not at this point. That or you just haven't bothered to read either the OP or the proceeding thread.

Didn't know there was required reading to understand the context.

Point being throwing money at a gpu when prices are cheap would last longer than 1/100 better cpu performance. Didn't need to be requoted and explained multiple times that threw the topic off course.