How are new oled panels Burn-In proof?

[Kminek]

I am deciding buy new gaming monitor for my pc. There are many options, with oled screens too. So I would like know, how big problem burn-in is on oled screens?

 

[Athlonite]

it's still an issue but not as big as it used to be when OLED first came out nowadays most OLED monitors have built in anti burn in systems to help stop it from happening if it were me though I'd still go for microLED or IPS in a high refresh rate HDR 1000 config with lots of dimming zones

 

[GerKNG]

OLEDs still burn in even if you babysit them 24/7. it's just a matter of time.
image retention can appear within 60 minutes on every modern panel from any manufacturer. Burn In will be a thing in a year or two even with auto hiding the taskbar, having a screensaver and a 5 minute sleep timer.

 

[Aquinus]

OLEDs still burn in even if you babysit them 24/7. it's just a matter of time.
image retention can appear within 60 minutes on every modern panel from any manufacturer. Burn In will be a thing in a year or two even with auto hiding the taskbar, having a screensaver and a 5 minute sleep timer.
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Do you own anything with a OLED display? I personally have held off on OLED for computers or laptops because of this very issue, however I've owned my iPhone 11 Pro Max since late 2019 and it has an OLED display. After just about 4 years, I can't notice any perceivable image retention. So, it does make me wonder how many panels are out there that'll hold up just as well, forget a modern panel and not one from 4 years ago.

Also FWIW, that 6 month frame is the kind of image retention I'll see on my LG 5k Ultrafine in approximately 5 minutes, which is anything but "Ultrafine." Here is an example of leaving YouTube on a static image for 5 minutes, then taking a picture of the screen after with my full frame mirrorless camera. With that said, it only takes another 5 minutes for it to fade away.

Additionally, burn in implies permanence, image retention implies transience. What I deal with is image persistence and I'm more willing to accept that sort of defect more than burn-in. Knowing how certain OLED panels behave as they age could help make an informed decision. All in all, I still love my IPS panels.

 

[Chomiq]

OLEDs still burn in even if you babysit them 24/7. it's just a matter of time.
image retention can appear within 60 minutes on every modern panel from any manufacturer. Burn In will be a thing in a year or two even with auto hiding the taskbar, having a screensaver and a 5 minute sleep timer.
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https://i.rtings.com/assets/pages/d1mrZyDc/50-gray-10-large.jpg

Month 10, less image retention.

C2 after 10 months:

https://i.rtings.com/assets/pages/A1QpY2ai/50-gray-10-large.jpg

 

[Nater]

My LG C17 55" is finally starting to see burn-in. (rarely had a PC connected to it) I feel like I'm looking for it though. It looks like the ghosting you see from back-light bleed on an IPS screen on mine.

 

[remekra]

I have 42C2 OLED for a little over a year now, connected to my PC acting as a monitor. So far no burn in. I disabled all the OLED protection settings, it's just doing pixel refresh automatically when it needs.
Mine has the newer panel, forgot it's name but for a time there were two panels being used in 42C2.

 

[wolf]

I have 42C2 OLED for a little over a year now, connected to my PC acting as a monitor. So far no burn in. I disabled all the OLED protection settings, it's just doing pixel refresh automatically when it needs.
Mine has the newer panel, forgot it's name but for a time there were two panels being used in 42C2.

I'm in exactly the same boat as you, and zero burn in too. Love this TV as a monitor.

 

[wNotyarD]

I have a LG 48C1 (which doesn't have an Evo panel like @remekra's) for over two years now, and there's no noticeable burn-in that I can speak of, but I must say I never did try a blank/gray screen to actively search for it. On my book, that means it has no issues.
It mostly is displaying FTA television, but I do also have my laptop and Nintendo Switch hooked to it.

 

[remekra]

I'm in exactly the same boat as you, and zero burn in too. Love this TV as a monitor.

Yup, even if I would get burn in some time down the line, I would not go back to LCD, even with multiple dimming zones. Just amazing picture quality.
Besides this one I have 65C1 in my living room, it's for movies and TV and it also has no burn in so far (over a year).

Also to add I have my 42C2 turned on everyday, besides gaming I display a lot of desktop on it. Only thing I did was to turn on auto hide taskbar feature, and made windows turn it off after 5 minutes of inactivity.

EDIT

Just to be clear Im not saying that burn in does not exist, but I do think that tech got a lot better and the image quality it brings it's worth the risk.

 

[Bill_Bright]

OLEDs still burn in even if you babysit them 24/7. it's just a matter of time.

That's a very misleading statement. I am NOT saying you, GerKNG are trying to mislead or deceive anyone - only that the, oft repeated statement does.

My 55" LG OLED TV is over 7 years old. No burn-in issues. Why? Because, while my TV is on 5 - 6 hours a day, I don't display the same image on it for hours and hours, day after day, week after week and so on. Plus, the TV itself has burn-in mitigation features to prevent such problems. For example, it can sense when a logo (like CNN) is being displayed in the corner, hours on end and will ever-so-slightly move it about so the same pixel is not lit up with the same image all the time.

The newest OLED screens on TVs are even less susceptible and have even better mitigation features. OLED monitors follow suit.

This is another one of those "rumors?" "myths?" "misconceptions?" that go WAY BACK to the beginning of time, that might have been based on truth "at the time", but are no longer. It is just like saying your SSD is going to wear out because is has some write limit that will affect you. Yes, that was a problem with "some" first generation SSDs in "some" scenarios. But it is total nonsense with these devices today that have evolved well pass the first or second generation.

Burn-in issues are a MUCH BIGGER problem when the display is used, for example, at airports where arrival and departure information is displayed 24/7. Or in POS (point of sale) computers (like grocery store cash registers). They are not an issue when the image is constantly changing like it does with "normal" TV and "normal" computer content where the image is constantly changing between Windows, your browser, your game, and back again.

OLED screens have been used on cell phones for many many years. Do you see millions of complaints about burn-in with cell phones? Nope.

So to say it is a matter of time is misleading - unless you display the exact same image (or parts of the exact same image in the same spot), 24/7/365.

So, @Kminek - if you are shopping for new monitor, pay attention to its performance specs, size, stand features (mine MUST have height adjust), and price. Do NOT let some archaic issue with ancient OLED monitors dissuade you from purchasing a monitor that otherwise meets all your needs just because it happens to be OLED - especially when the image OLED provides can be so rewarding/gorgeous/beautiful/realistic (do I need to go on?).

 

[Kminek]

That's a very misleading statement. I am NOT saying you, GerKNG are trying to mislead or deceive anyone - only that the, oft repeated statement does.

My 55" LG OLED TV is over 7 years old. No burn-in issues. Why? Because, while my TV is on 5 - 6 hours a day, I don't display the same image on it for hours and hours, day after day, week after week and so on. Plus, the TV itself has burn-in mitigation features to prevent such problems. For example, it can sense when a logo (like CNN) is being displayed in the corner, hours on end and will ever-so-slightly move it about so the same pixel is not lit up with the same image all the time.

The newest OLED screens on TVs are even less susceptible and have even better mitigation features. OLED monitors follow suit.

This is another one of those "rumors?" "myths?" "misconceptions?" that go WAY BACK to the beginning of time, that might have been based on truth "at the time", but are no longer. It is just like saying your SSD is going to wear out because is has some write limit that will affect you. Yes, that was a problem with "some" first generation SSDs in "some" scenarios. But it is total nonsense with these devices today that have evolved well pass the first or second generation.

Burn-in issues are a MUCH BIGGER problem when the display is used, for example, at airports where arrival and departure information is displayed 24/7. Or in POS (point of sale) computers (like grocery store cash registers). They are not an issue when the image is constantly changing like it does with "normal" TV and "normal" computer content where the image is constantly changing between Windows, your browser, your game, and back again.

OLED screens have been used on cell phones for many many years. Do you see millions of complaints about burn-in with cell phones? Nope.

So to say it is a matter of time is misleading - unless you display the exact same image (or parts of the exact same image in the same spot), 24/7/365.

So, @Kminek - if you are shopping for new monitor, pay attention to its performance specs, size, stand features (mine MUST have height adjust), and price. Do NOT let some archaic issue with ancient OLED monitors dissuade you from purchasing a monitor that otherwise meets all your needs just because it happens to be OLED - especially when the image OLED provides can be so rewarding/gorgeous/beautiful/realistic (do I need to go on?).

Thinking about this one https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Swift-Gaming-Monitor-PG27AQDM/dp/B0BZRBYLP1

 

[Belfaborac]

Two year old LG G1: zero burn-in. Not even a hint. A year-and-a-bit old Alienware OLED: zero burn-in. Not even a hint.

To say that an OLED screen WILL develop burn-in regardless of what you do is pure bull. Sure, if you leave your TV on the same channel day in, day out the logo will eventually burn in. So don't do that.

On your monitor, use a slideshow as background rather than putting up a static image and never changing it.

Otherwise, just have a look at Rting's TV tests and make a particular note of the test parameters - i.e. that they're tested in a way that is entirely unrealistic compared to a normal usage scenario.

That said, if you plan on keeping your TV or monitor for 15-20 years, then who knows.

 

[Kminek]

Two year old LG G1: zero burn-in. Not even a hint. A year-and-a-bit old Alienware OLED: zero burn-in. Not even a hint.

To say that an OLED screen WILL develop burn-in regardless of what you do is pure bull. Sure, if you leave your TV on the same channel day in, day out the logo will eventually burn in. So don't do that.

On your monitor, use a slideshow as background rather than putting up a static image and never changing it.

Otherwise, just have a look at Rting's TV tests and make a particular note of the test parameters - i.e. that they're tested in a way that is entirely unrealistic compared to a normal usage scenario.

That said, if you plan on keeping your TV or monitor for 15-20 years, then who knows.

I looked at rtings.com reviews, compared some monitors and this one I mentioned earlier looked as a great option.

 

[alwayssts]

I looked at rtings.com reviews, compared some monitors and this one I mentioned earlier looked as a great option.

Don't get me wrong, that's a very nice monitor, but it's so difficult to recommend buying something when 32''(/34/39) and/or 240hz 4k will be start to become a commodity next year. Just a thing to consider.

FWIW, I've used a B9 (so however old that is now, 4 years?) since it's release and haven't had one problem. I remember reading the big reduction in issues happened that generation, as that's when they began to run cooler. The guy at BB, FWIW, also said that returns for that gen were almost non-existant, while that was not the case for the 8 series and prior. That might have been salesman bs, but it would make sense. I wouldn't personally worry about it under normal use-case, although I understand the concern.

 

[Klemc]

To avoid burnin, use OLED for media only, like games, and keep a second monitor for normal usage, like desktop.

 

[Kminek]

I have lack of space, that is why 27'' monitor.

 

[lowrider_05]

I´m just gonna share my OLED-TV as Monitor experience:

i use a Phillips OLED TV as a Monitor for 2+ Years now and have to say, Burn-In is no problem for me! I use it mostly for Gaming/Websurfing/Youtube/Movies etc.
The TV auto refreshes the Pixels on a schedule when the screen is off, so i did not see any Burn-in with normal usage, even when displaying Static Game HUD´s or websites for hours.

The Good:
120Hz Freesync HDR Gaming works very well
Very High Contrast
Deep Blacks / No Back light Bleed
Very Good Color reproduction (with manual calibration)
Superfast response time / no smearing
in my case Ambilight integration
Big Screen
HDR Content looks great

The Bad:
Auto Darkening of not moving screen areas after 5+ Minutes
ABL kicks in when white is displayed in a big Window/Fullscreen
Built in Screensaver kicks in when nothing is moving for 10+ Minutes
No autostandby when PC goes into standby or wakes up (but with the Remote you can put it in standby and wake it in seconds)
Big Screen
Only HDR10 / no Dolby Vision in Windows

@Kminek your choice of the Asus Monitor seems quite good if you limited to 27"
Techpowerup reviewed a 27" Corsair OLED just a few days ago, maybe have a look at that too: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/corsair-xeneon-27-inch-240-hz-oled/

 

[FoulOnWhite]

I just can't see myself using a 42" or bigger display as a monitor, unless I'm sat like 5 or 6 feet from it. Don't understand how anyone can use a display that big on their desk.

It seems like newer OLED panels are getting better though. I'm just waiting for prices to drop. For now I'm ok with my crappy VA panel in my dell monitor.

$1000 for a 27" monitor is ridiculous

 

[lowrider_05]

I just can't see myself using a 42" or bigger display as a monitor, unless I'm sat like 5 or 6 feet from it. Don't understand how anyone can use a display that big on their desk.

It seems like newer OLED panels are getting better though. I'm just waiting for prices to drop. For now I'm ok with my crappy VA panel in my dell monitor.

$1000 for a 27" monitor is ridiculous

I sit around 1.5 Meters (~4.9 feet) away from the "Monitor" and the Size does not bother me at all.
And yes the Prices for those "tiny" Monitors are crazy. I paid around 800€ (~843$) incl. 19% VAT for my "big" Monitor.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

I sit around 1.5 Meters (~4.9 feet) away from the "Monitor" and the Size does not bother me at all.
And yes the Prices for those "tiny" Monitors are crazy. I paid around 800€ (~843$) incl. 19% VAT for my "big" Monitor.

I'd spend less and get the bigger one for sure. That price is for people who don't think about the cost

 

[Chomiq]

Also, there is no such thing as "burn-in proof" in regards to organic material.

 

[Taras K]

3+ years using LG OLED CX 65" + PC and no Burn-In problem (at least noticeable). Using it for movies/gaming/websurfing with all OLED protection settings ON ~MEDIUM.

And still (after these 3 years) catching myself thinking it is perfect

Here is reference photo of what I experienced before bying OLED:

http://imgur.com/hFpJW9G

CONS:
In one of Harry Potter movies it drops brightness in single scene because there is no action for a long time.

 

[Chomiq]

CONS:
In one of Harry Potter movies it drops brightness in single scene because there is no action for a long time.

Watch this:

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Do you own anything with a OLED display? I personally have held off on OLED for computers or laptops because of this very issue, however I've owned my iPhone 11 Pro Max since late 2019 and it has an OLED display. After just about 4 years, I can't notice any perceivable image retention. So, it does make me wonder how many panels are out there that'll hold up just as well, forget a modern panel and not one from 4 years ago.

Also FWIW, that 6 month frame is the kind of image retention I'll see on my LG 5k Ultrafine in approximately 5 minutes, which is anything but "Ultrafine." Here is an example of leaving YouTube on a static image for 5 minutes, then taking a picture of the screen after with my full frame mirrorless camera. With that said, it only takes another 5 minutes for it to fade away.

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Additionally, burn in implies permanence, image retention implies transience. What I deal with is image persistence and I'm more willing to accept that sort of defect more than burn-in. Knowing how certain OLED panels behave as they age could help make an informed decision. All in all, I still love my IPS panels.

Phones are a totally different ball game. Their Screen On Time is tiny by comparison, and they dont have static images like desktop OSes do, things like the taskbar.