How much is a Dre Beats headphone really worth

P4-630 · Jun 21, 2015

https://medium.com/life-learning/how-it-s-made-series-beats-by-dre-154aae384b36

CAPSLOCKSTUCK · Jun 21, 2015

Avery Louie, a prototype engineer for Bolt who performed the analysis, notes in a blog post via Medium.com that the headphones feel 'substantial'.

He writes: 'A little bit of weight makes the product feel solid, durable, and valuable.

'One way to do this cheaply is to make some components out of metal in order to add weight.

'In these headphones, 30 per cent of the weight comes from four tiny metal parts that are there for the sole purpose of adding weight.'

Mr Louie said the two larger metal parts are made of zinc and are identical, meaning that only one tool is needed to produce both parts, saving the company money.

He weighed what he says are the essential components and the metal 'weights' separately.

He claims the headphones are very cheaply made by using glue instead of screws, for example.

Writing in his blog post, he says 'nearly every part of this product is snapped or glued together'.

in answer to the question, if you take away the cost of packaging $ 9.892

dorsetknob · Jun 21, 2015

They are worth-Less than what the market can Exploit cash wise out of joe public
Fashion Item Fashion Price

newtekie1 · Jun 21, 2015

Beats by Dre aren't about the cost of manufacturing the headphones, they are about the audio enhancements built into the products.

Of course, by audio enhancements, they mean just cranking the bass section of the eq up as high as it will go. Which actually has $0 cost, but makes everything sound extremely bass heavy, to the point of distortion at times, but that is what the idiots that buy them seem to think is awesome. THE MORE BASS THE BETTER!!!!!!111!!1!!1!! If they can some how get the sound of a trunk rattling with the bass that would be best, and on some models they actually have!(No, seriously, on one pair I tested the bass at times was so distorted it sounded like one of those ghetto old cars that someone had stuffed with subs, you know the ones I'm talking about.)

What you are really paying for is all that marketing. It costs money to make people think Beats aren't garbage. And it isn't just normal commercial advertising. Every time you see a celebrity with a pair of Beats around their head, they aren't wearing them because they like Beats or think they are good, they are wearing them because they are paid to wear them.

Bill_Bright · Jun 21, 2015

newtekie1 said:
Beats by Dre aren't about the cost of manufacturing the headphones, they are about the audio enhancements built into the products.

Yeah, whatever happened to "fidelity"? To "faithful reproduction"? To "tonal quality"? To "flat frequency response"?

If the artist wanted the sound to be extremely bass heavy, he or she would have played it that way. It is then up to the microphones, the mixers, the recording equipment and ultimately, the reproducing equipment (which includes the speakers) to accurately reproduce exactly what was produced.

qubit · Jun 21, 2015

newtekie1 said:
Every time you see a celebrity with a pair of Beats around their head, they aren't wearing them because they like Beats or think they are good, they are wearing them because they are paid to wear them.

Whut?!!

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!! :laugh:

So you mean that all those beauty products for the ladies endorsed by celebrities are fake too?

Frick · Jun 21, 2015

Bill_Bright said:
Yeah, whatever happened to "fidelity"? To "faithful reproduction"? To "tonal quality"? To "flat frequency response"?

Gone since the 80's I bet. Amont people in general I mean. Now we listen to this through crappy headphones, which is ok because there are alternatives.

rooivalk · Jun 21, 2015

newtekie1 said:
THE MORE BASS THE BETTER!!!!!!111!!1!!1!!

Nowadays most people like warm sound. It's not about perfect, balance, yadda yadda, no. People like it warm so manufacturers give them what they want.
I imagine between the classic choice of AKG K701 vs Senn HD650, people nowadays would heavily prefer HD650.

About the thread itself,
It's a bit not fair to judge audio equipment with BOM cost (also compared to what? how much is... say... Sony MDR10RC BOM cost? how about Sennheiser Urbanite?)
8-10 years ago in my local forum, there's a rage about $3000 bookshelf speakers that actually only cost $400 to built.
But in the end, general consensus is if the speaker sounds good / comparable to its class then it could get away with its price tag and they call it 'engineering cost'.
I'm not saying Beats sounds great but people like its sound signature, heck you know lately there's a thread in TPU in which somebody want to find headphone with comparable sound signature to Beats.

Frag_Maniac · Jun 21, 2015

I've always thought Beats as being over hyped designer cans with flashy looks and insincere endorsements that seek to do nothing but fool the public into believing they're worth the ridiculous price they charge. They were popularized by the Rap and R&B crowd merely for heavy bass and looks.

If you want good sound, true quality, value, and durability, go with something like Beyerdynamic.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0032EQRR6/?tag=tec06d-20

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Beyerdy...losed-Studio-Headphones-102512019-i1126937.gc
(^Best deal I've seen, these DT 770 Pro 80 cans run $226 at Amazon. Only $150 at Guitar Center)

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0011UB9CQ/?tag=tec06d-20

There are a fair number of good sounding cans out there, but often they'll fall short on fit, comfort, features, or durability. Beyers tend to get all the above right.

Sennheisers aren't bad too, but not as good durability wise, and lately I find their mid price ones ($100-$200 range) lacking in sound quality. A bit too bright and not enough depth. You have to shell out $300 or more to get good Senns.

The most common thing for me though is the disappointment of a LOT of popular brands like AKG, Audio Technica, etc, just having a terrible fit system. That of course is a matter of personal preference and/or head and ear size.

Other than that, a lot of cans will have weak spots, usually thin plastic somewhere that cracks or breaks, which is what happened with my Senn HD555s.

erocker · Jun 21, 2015

Frick said:
Gone since the 80's I bet. Amont people in general I mean. Now we listen to this through crappy headphones, which is ok because there are alternatives.

Sony MDR-7506. Initial design Introduced in 1985 and pretty much still made today.

Bill_Bright · Jun 22, 2015

I ride a bicycle and hit the levee trails in my area whenever I can. I like to listen to music and zone-out when riding. I sure wish I could find some good bluetooth earbuds that blocked wind noise that would match the audio quality of my vintage Koss Pro 4aa headphones. I've destroyed two nice wired earbud sets by snagging the cable on the rear brake when mounting. I know, I should have learned my lesson the first time and noticed the wire had come untucked and was dangling, but like I said, I zone-out.

The problem is, earbuds and high fidelity just don't seem to go together. It does not help being spoiled by a full range of quality (for my budget) 5.1 home theater system.

xfia · Jun 22, 2015

i think i would agree with what most have said.. i find headphones can really start to drop off in value after like 80 bucks tbh.

Frag_Maniac · Jun 22, 2015

xfia said:
...i find headphones can really start to drop off in value after like 80 bucks tbh.

Can't say I agree. I have tried Sony MDRs I got for $50, Senn HD555's that at the time went for $150 I got for $80 thru DAK, and Koss DJ Pros I paid a total of about $73 for because I had to add bigger ear pads to make them comfortable enough. None have come close to the sound quality, fit, comfort, and durability of the Beyer DT 770 Pro 80 cans I now have, and I've tried other models by AKG, Audio Technica, etc, too. I got my DT 770s for $150, which is at least $45 less than anywhere on the net.

That said, the problem with discussing something like headphones is everyone's got their own idea of what acceptable sound quality, fit, durability, and comfort is. What a lot of people are drawn by with cheaper cans is a lot are made for portable devices not just in impedance but in EQ, but IMO buying studio cans with flat response makes a lot more sense, because you can easily tailor EQ with your sound card, onboard sound control panel, or an EQ app for portables.

Tailoring EQ on your own makes more sense because when it's built in by the manufacturer it's hard to reshape the sound if it's not 100% to your liking. The only feature you really need to look for in cans other than those mentioned is impedance, and Beyer is known for making cans with various impedance levels for all types of devices. Typically their 250 Ohm models are made for home use and come with coiled cords. If you want portability AND good detail, go for the 80 Ohm models.The 32 Ohm models assure more volume with tiny portables like phones and MP3 players, but lose some detail.

You'll also get better warranty and support with brands like Beyer and Senn, typically 2 yrs and even beyond that they have replacement parts and great deals on repairs. My DT 770 Pro 80s are easily the best value of any cans I've bought though, and if I'd gotten them instead of wasting money on some of the others, even more so.

REAYTH · Jun 22, 2015

Frick said:
Gone since the 80's I bet. Amont people in general I mean. Now we listen to this through crappy headphones, which is ok because there are alternatives.

That stuff died when the world went digital for sound. LONG LIVE ANALOG!

Sorry guys but most of you younger guys don't know what real fidelity is. It can only be had with analog. Most Audiophiles have no clue about this and swear by $3000 headphone giving you sub par sound.

Frag_Maniac · Jun 22, 2015

REAYTH said:
That stuff died when the world went digital for sound. LONG LIVE ANALOG!

Sorry guys but most of you younger guys don't know what real fidelity is. It can only be had with analog. Most Audiophiles have no clue about this and swear by $3000 headphone giving you sub par sound.

Most analog recordings have more warmth, but they lack detail in highs, and you have to put up with vinyl crackle or tape stretch. Not all digital recordings are alike either, some have much more warmth than others.

I would never advocate over $300 on cans for either analog or digital though. There's just too many tradeoffs with both formats to make use of it. There's so much BS hype in the music industry it's pathetic.

I have a neighbor in a wheelchair that met Neil Young in a local cafe recently, he was very rude to her when she just tried to acknowledged her admiration for his work on her way out. He gave her a nasty look and said "Are you going to buy me a sandwich", as if she was wasting his time.

I did some checking on him and found out he's pretty disgruntled over his Pono portable music device not catching on as well as he'd hoped. Supposedly it's made for very high fidelity 192kHz/24 bit resolution.

The problem seems to be a lot of the sites that claim to have such high res music tracks often don't live up to their claims. Quite often it will be much lower quality music.

You CAN tell the difference when you DO get better res digital audio vs 128 bit crap though. Just Google for a particular song in FLAC or other high res formats. There are also complete concerts in HD video and audio now on YouTube, including Metallica, whom used to do anything they could to prevent such things back when Napster was big. It's easily enough difference in sound from 128 bit to FLAC or other high res formats to justify spending at least $150 on some good cans.

Schmuckley · Jun 22, 2015

$35

I can get cheaper, though

newconroer · Jun 22, 2015

Less than that, they are crap. Beats are a perfect example of an over marketed product that's sold on hype.
But I love the chart!

natr0n · Jun 22, 2015

I remember when Dre Day was Eazy's pay day.

Frag_Maniac · Jun 23, 2015

newconroer said:
Less than that, they are crap. Beats are a perfect example of an over marketed product that's sold on hype.
But I love the chart!

Worse yet, it's started a trend of others doing the same, Skullcandy, V-MODA, etc. There are LOTS of stylized headphones now that are more faux bling than substance. It's even got some salesmen jumping on the bandwagon because they're high profit margin cheap cans in reality. I recently had a salesman try and convince me V-MODA had tough "gun metal" construction. Apparently he doesn't know gun metal is a finish style that's been used on alu for some time, it was an obvious slip up. I had to laugh. :laugh:

revin · Jun 23, 2015

It's all as bad as nowday's like the "1,000 Watts" crap on a cheapass stereo.
Yea just about any good amp can hit 1k watts, didnt tell you it's 0.000001 of a sec, and at 90% distorton !!!

HYPE and misleading the uninformd .
I am very sad to see a Famous audio company market a highend reciever 90w 6ohms @.08THD, then 160w 6ohms @1%THD 1 ch. driven............................

Yep $10 is about what I've heard last year................................

Frag Maniac said:
I did some checking on him and found out he's pretty disgruntled over his Pono portable music device not catching on as well as he'd hoped. Supposedly it's made for very high fidelity 192kHz/24 bit resolution.

The problem seems to be a lot of the sites that claim to have such high res music tracks often don't live up to their claims. Quite often it will be much lower quality music

Indeed, Scott Wilkinson and Mark Waldrep caught on to his PhOnOy

Real High Rez Audio, here you go Real HD-Audio with Scott, and AIX with Mark, there are the 2 trusted sites for the real thing..............

Frick · Jun 23, 2015

REAYTH said:
Sorry guys but most of you younger guys don't know what real fidelity is. It can only be had with analog. Most Audiophiles have no clue about this and swear by $3000 headphone giving you sub par sound.

Oohh but they do. That's the thing, the true audiophile stuff (and not magic crystals, but actual good sound) is popular as well, because that's how the world works now. You can get your filthy paws on anything really, if you have the money.

And as frag maniac said, digital can be as good as analog, it all depends on how it's made.

remixedcat · Jun 23, 2015

Frag Maniac said:
I've always thought Beats as being over hyped designer cans with flashy looks and insincere endorsements that seek to do nothing but fool the public into believing they're worth the ridiculous price they charge. They were popularized by the Rap and R&B crowd merely for heavy bass and looks.

If you want good sound, true quality, value, and durability, go with something like Beyerdynamic.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0032EQRR6/?tag=tec06d-20

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Beyerdy...losed-Studio-Headphones-102512019-i1126937.gc
(^Best deal I've seen, these DT 770 Pro 80 cans run $226 at Amazon. Only $150 at Guitar Center)

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0011UB9CQ/?tag=tec06d-20

There are a fair number of good sounding cans out there, but often they'll fall short on fit, comfort, features, or durability. Beyers tend to get all the above right.

Sennheisers aren't bad too, but not as good durability wise, and lately I find their mid price ones ($100-$200 range) lacking in sound quality. A bit too bright and not enough depth. You have to shell out $300 or more to get good Senns.

The most common thing for me though is the disappointment of a LOT of popular brands like AKG, Audio Technica, etc, just having a terrible fit system. That of course is a matter of personal preference and/or head and ear size.

Other than that, a lot of cans will have weak spots, usually thin plastic somewhere that cracks or breaks, which is what happened with my Senn HD555s.

DT770pro 80 owner here and I :love:

them pairs decent with my Fiio E7

RCoon · Jun 23, 2015

They're worth as much as you're willing to pay for them.

#Capitalism4lyf

NOTE: Many other things, including GPUs, RAM etc are also sold at a profit margin way above cost.

micropage7 · Jun 23, 2015

it doesnt cover, design, choosing color and the name

Frag_Maniac · Jun 23, 2015

RCoon said:
Many other things, including GPUs, RAM etc are also sold at a profit margin way above cost.

The thing is though, you really need to watch out for what appear to be products that cost way more than they should, like the faux bling brands being talked about here.

There's a huge difference between a $300 set of cans made to look good, and ones that are made to SOUND good, and it shows in the profit margin.

It's common that retail is often 3-4 times cost of manufacturing, but when it gets up around 7-10 times, it's an obvious ripoff.

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