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i5-13500T, make it sense?

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Hello,

this CPU have a default TDP of 35W which is very low. Yes, the max clockrate is lower than the i5-13500, but will I feel the difference in daily work?

So far I have seen no review of the 13500T, maybe anyone have more info about it :)
 
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Only makes sense if much cheaper or you are banned from BIOS menu. "Normal" i5-13500 is easily configurable to any wattage limitations on any chipset.
 
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Thanks, wasn´t aware of this.

The T are more expensive than the normal 13500

BTW, very nice snake :)
 
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13500T out of the box with default settings will consume 92W.

35W is a power draw of the CPU running at 1600 and 1200 MHz (that is Schneckentempo), running "Intel specific workload", nobody knows what it is. It is a meaningless number.

Buy a fully configurable 13600K (or better 14600K which will most likely have better quality silicone and lower voltage than 13600K) and configure its frequencies and power draw limits how you like.

I think that you may get a better 13500T out of 14600K, than you would get if you got a real 13500T, and you can configure it how you like. 14600K has a max frequency of 5300 MHz, compare it to 4600 MHz of 13500T. The easiest thing to do is just power limit 14600K to whatever power limit you want (change just two numbers in BIOS), 14600K power limited to 92W will perform much better than 13500T - 15% better performance in lower thread count load.

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Intel's T series of CPUs are normally associated with low power consumption fan-less PCs or micro PCs such as the Dell OptiPlex 7010. Bear in mind that many H610 or B760 motherboards that would take this CPU also have a low power setting in BIOS that might achieve something similar with a non-T series CPU.
 
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It would be no High-End-PC for Gaming or something, I think the 13500 is already overpowered, that´s why I´m asking about the sense of the T-model. Lower power consumption, easier cooling, sounded nice for me

Jep, and I know the word "Schneckentempo" as a german ;)
 
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13500 is actually a very nice CPU for an universal PC, it is also a powerful 14 core CPU and it draws 154W, while with 120 or even 100W limit the practical perfomance would be almost identical and it would be much easier to cool. I think that for an universal PC it makes a good sense to apply some power limit.
 
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Not a High-End-PC... but the main issue here is their price... usually always higher than regular skus.
As already said... a nice feature board has today enough settings to down power a regular sku and they're much cheaper.
 
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If by daily work you mean MS Office apps, web browsing, or video playback, then no, you will feel absolutely no difference.

In heavy work (rendering) or some games, you will probably feel some difference, but...
  1. Only compared to a regular (non-T) CPU. If you don't have one of those, you will have no basis for comparison, so it won't matter.
  2. You can always disable the power limit with a decent motherboard and cooling, which will give you only a couple % slower CPU than the non-T version - undetectable outside of benchmark apps.
  3. You can always power limit any CPU in the BIOS to make it essentially behave like a "T" version.
Considering the above, I never recommend a "K" CPU unless you're into pushing benchmark records. A normal, or "T" CPU does 99.99% of the job just fine, especially with power limits removed. :)
 
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Office, Browsing, Video Playback yes, but mostly video cutting (not recoding). I think a ATX-Z690-mainboard with 8x native SATA (many drives will be used on this PC, some are only temporary) and the regular 13500 are a good, long lasting system for this purpose.

Gaming is reserved for another PC.
 
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Office, Browsing, Video Playback yes, but mostly video cutting (not recoding). I think a ATX-Z690-mainboard with 8x native SATA (many drives will be used on this PC, some are only temporary) and the regular 13500 are a good, long lasting system for this purpose.

Gaming is reserved for another PC.
I agree - I know there's quite a few overclock enthusiasts here who happily disagree with me, but I wouldn't go overboard with a general purpose, or even gaming system in terms of CPU. The 13500 is plenty.
 
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this CPU have a default TDP of 35W which is very low.
Not sure I understand what you are implying when you say, "this is very low". Are you suggesting 35W is not good? The fact is, that figure does not suggest good or bad. What it does suggest is it does not consume a lot of power - particularly important with laptops running on battery. That said, you said it is in a "
PC" so battery run times should not be an issue (assuming by PC you mean a desktop/tower computer and not a laptop).

And FTR, you mention cooling - remember, it is the case's responsibility to provide a sufficient supply of cool air "flowing" thought the case. The CPU cooler need only toss the CPU's heat into that flow.

but will I feel the difference in daily work?
Office, Browsing, Video Playback yes, but mostly video cutting (not recoding).
There is nothing wrong with that CPU for those tasks AS LONG AS it is not being bottlenecked by other components. Unfortunately, you told us nothing about this PC.

For example, are you using integrated graphics or a separate card? How much RAM is installed? SSD or HD? That CPU's integrated graphics is fine for your stated tasks, but a separate card may provide better performance for some tasks. A small amount of RAM (especially with integrated graphics) may be impacting performance. For your stated tasks, I would want at least 8GB installed, 16GB would be better. And even the slowest SSD can run circles around the fastest hard drive - especially important with a small amount of system RAM installed.
 
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I meant 35W is a very low power consumption for a Desktop-CPU in this performance class, I know some Notebook-CPUs have higher wattage.

I will use integrated iGPU, actual I using a i3-3220 for videocutting and don´t have issues in videocutting, but Windows 10 is a bit heavy for it, W11 isn´t supported by this generation.

I think I will go for 2x 16GB DDR4-3200

Not sure for the OS-SSD, but I guess I will use a PCIe3.0-M.2.-NVME-SSD.

For videocutting I will use SATA-SSDs, even slower ones are not the problem here because I save my projects and start batch, the work will be done in the background. For store I will use HDDs in this 2 cases


These HDDs will switched on only sometimes

That´s why I will use a Mainboard with 8x SATA and an additional PCIe SATA-controller with Hotplugin-compatibility (actual an IMB Serveraid M1015, flashed to LSi, PCIe x8). Maybe I can change to another controller with faster initialization
 
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I think I will go for 2x 16GB DDR4-3200
I would never tell anyone they have too much RAM but 16GB (2 x 8GB), especially since you are going with an SSD, is more than enough for your stated tasks. Your money, but if watching the budget, 2 x 8GB may allow you to allocate more funds to a bigger SSD for example.

but Windows 10 is a bit heavy for it
No it isn't. W10 is very good at managing system resources. What you need to ensure is you buy a drive big enough to house the OS and all your applications while leaving plenty of free space (I typically recommend at 30GB as a minimum) for Windows to operate freely in. 30GB allows plenty of room for temporary files and space for SSD and/or hard drive housekeeping (TRIM, wear-leveling and defragging) chores.
 
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W10 is very good at managing system resources.
Dude, his CPU is literally a dozen years old and it's a budget CPU. It's ancient. Even W10 is a bit too extreme for this CPU.
 
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Addressing the OP's initial question, I don't think a PC builder should ever consider a T-class CPU. Just buy the regular version for the same price and use BIOS or Throttlestop to reduce the power limit to 35W if you need to. If you ever want to upgrade your cooling or move it or sell it later, the full version has none of the power and clock speed restrictions, making it a better value. As mentioned already, it's also likely that the regular CPU will run at a slightly lower voltage (better binning) and so eke out few extra MHz at the same power usage.
 
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I think you are right, some others users gave me same hint :)

Even W10 is a bit too extreme for this CPU.

Yes :)

I would never tell anyone they have too much RAM but 16GB (2 x 8GB), especially since you are going with an SSD, is more than enough for your stated tasks
The system have also to handle W11 and W12, maybe more. I Think the RAM-prices are not so bad atm
No it isn't. W10 is very good at managing system resources.

Didn´t agree with that, sorry.

Used for years 8.1 on several machines, also slow Notebooks with Dual Core Celerons, the update to W10 slow down ALL the devices, none of these had less than 8GB RAM and all have SATA3-SSDs.

Every window, every menu, every click-reaction is slower with W10. I know 8/8.1 is together with Vista most hated Win-OS, but it runs a lot faster. With some modications and some optimized settings it´s also good to handle.

At least it´s my experience with 20+ devices which start at 2-Core-Mobile-Celeron and ended with 4-Core Desktop-PC
 
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Dude, his CPU is literally a dozen years old and it's a budget CPU. It's ancient. Even W10 is a bit too extreme for this CPU.
Gee whiz. Do you just automatically jump in just to disagree? Or do you actually put some thought (and more importantly, research) in to it first? It seems the former. :(

Just the fact his CPU is that old is reason to think twice before upgrading to W11.

Why do so many with older hardware (besides compatibility) stick with W10?

Windows 10 vs. Windows 11 Performance Test | TechSpot
In a nutshell, Windows 11 offers no real performance advantage over Windows 10 with perhaps the only exception being random read/write storage performance,

Windows 11 vs. Windows 10, Tested: Will the OS Upgrade Speed Up Your Current PC? | PCMag
There’s a clear takeaway here, and put simply, it’s that we didn't see much performance difference between the two operating systems.

Note what the OP said that I was commenting on. He said W10 was heavy for it. It is not.

I say again, W10 is very good at managing system resources. If you think W11 is significantly better, you are mistaken. If you think XP is better, then you are just plain wrong.

@Scour - I am NOT saying don't go with W11. You should if your hardware will support it. But do it for security reasons and Microsoft's on-going support. Not because you think W10 is such a resource hog it will bog down your system where W11 will not. That is just not true.

Alternatively - go Linux.
 
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Gee whiz. Do you just automatically jump in just to disagree? Or do you actually put some thought (and more importantly, research) in to it first? It seems the former. :(
Nah, I am a thoroughly experienced lowest-end hardware user and I am completely aware of what i3-3220 can and cannot do.

It can run Windows 10. It supports all of its features. Yet it takes ages for this CPU to boot and lag spikes are not just here, they are constant, it's light years away from CPUs allowing for comfortable usage.

Is W11 better? Of course not, it's a no-brainer to avoid W11 if your machine is older than 2019. W10 will work way, way better on your PC.
Is WXP better? Of course not, it's obsolete and doesn't support recent software.

Just for you to know, I have a secondary system with i3-6100 onboard. This CPU is significantly faster than i3-3220 but it's still not able to cut it. CPU is 100% loaded 90+ % of the time, you can't just log in and work. You need to wait for several minutes for all Windows system services and your own software to launch correctly, I/O is straight up unavailable at this point. Any gaming or workload is straight up pain and suffering because it's not 2012 already, software became heavier and harder to run. By my standards, being able to make and drink tea before your system is fully usable tells your system needs an upgrade, like, yesterday.

So I totally agree with OP's decision to upgrade their CPU.
 
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Just the fact his CPU is that old is reason to think twice before upgrading to W11.
Maybe I can do it somehow (Rufus-Option), but it makes no sense for this old system.
Why do so many with older hardware (besides compatibility) stick with W10?
Security reasons, compatibility, or because they hate W11 for some reasons. I´m not a fan of it because out of the box I hate the Start menu and that it always group open applications in the task bar. And yeah, also because it´s not compatible with my older, Non-TPM-systems.
He said W10 was heavy for it. It is not.
It is, compared to W8.1. Do you have also an i3-3220 with W10? Not sure why you don´t believe me :(
If you think W11 is significantly better, you are mistaken.
Never wrote that.
I am NOT saying don't go with W11. You should if your hardware will support it. But do it for security reasons and Microsoft's on-going support.
Also never wrote this. Yes, I have to do it if W10-support will stop; at least if not W12 will arrive before.
Alternatively - go Linux.

Not possible because I can throw away all my used tools which are no Freeware and not compatible to Linux.
 
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Never wrote that.
I was talking, more or less, to the crowd there.
Security reasons, compatibility, or because they hate W11 for some reasons.
Combability or simply because they don't like W11, yes. But not security. W11 is inherently more secure than W10. And before someone jumps in and says something, I am NOT saying W10 is insecure (at least not today I am not). I am just saying security is not a reason to stick with W10.

I can only go by what YOU said. You said this computer was for,
Office, Browsing, Video Playback yes, but mostly video cutting (not recoding).
I say again,
There is nothing wrong with that CPU for those tasks AS LONG AS it is not being bottlenecked by other components.
And that's even with W10.

If you want to upgrade your CPU, that's fine.

You can see by the link in my sig that I have been a hardware guy long before most of you have been alive - so I am all for the latest and greatest technologies - mostly if practical, but nothing wrong if because it is simply desired. There have been many times I have upgrades just to qualm the "itch".

But you are not going for the latest and greatest. If you were, you would be talking about a "new" motherboard and "new" RAM too.

And FTR, Scour, I applaud you for having a different machine for gaming. If that's in the budget, that is the way to go.

Not sure why you don´t believe me
:( Please follow the timeline of the thread's replies. You made no mention whatsoever of W8.1 until after I said W10 was good at managing resources. For the record, except for that horrible "metro" UI that Microsoft tried to jam down everyone's throat :(, I always felt that W8 was a good OS.
 
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Office, Browsing, Video Playback yes, but mostly video cutting (not recoding). I think a ATX-Z690-mainboard with 8x native SATA (many drives will be used on this PC, some are only temporary) and the regular 13500 are a good, long lasting system for this purpose.

Gaming is reserved for another PC.
13500 Turbo Boost off (all cores@2.5Ghz), max 44W (88 W Wattmeter) in Cinebench R23 Multi Core (12400 pts)

Fully unlocked, it is at the 7800X3D level in single-core tests and ~10-15% stronger in multi-core tests.
Because I only use SSD and igpu, the system power consumption drops below 20W in idle and my big problem was the entry of the power supply into protection. I solved the problem by attaching a led lamp and a portable hard disk to the system. Now, the wattmeter shows a minimum consumption of 22W with igpu used.

A 12500 is also enough for you, much cheaper, but it lacks the eight E-cores.
Another advantage of these two processors is the iGPU UHD 770 (32 EU). All i3 and i5-12/13400 have only UHD 730 (24 EU).

Set to a maximum power consumption of 65W, the cooler in the box is sufficient. The fully unlocked 13500 needs a minimum 180W TDP cooler to keep temperatures at decent maximums without turning the cooler into a turbojet.

13500
13500 cine r23 cpuz single_multi.jpg


12500
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You´re right for the 12500, but I will use this PC for a long time, so the price of the 13500 is OK for me :)

Combability or simply because they don't like W11, yes. But not security. W11 is inherently more secure than W10. And before someone jumps in and says something, I am NOT saying W10 is insecure (at least not today I am not). I am just saying security is not a reason to stick with W10.

I meant W10 is more secure than EOL-OSses like 7, 8.1, and it´s easy to install on older machines, unlike W11.

You can see by the link in my sig that I have been a hardware guy long before most of you have been alive - so I am all for the latest and greatest technologies - mostly if practical, but nothing wrong if because it is simply desired. There have been many times I have upgrades just to qualm the "itch".

But you are not going for the latest and greatest. If you were, you would be talking about a "new" motherboard and "new" RAM too.

OK, can´t match your experience, I started to work with computers at end of the 80´s, PC-addicted since AMDs first Athlon. And yeah, I call myself a hardware guy. All ppl who know me will agree with me, no matter in my friends circle or in some german fora.

Don´t exactly understand the last sentence, I have to buy new components, atleast new CPU, Mainboard and RAM. Yeah, there are later released components on the market but I don´t buy already used components.

Please follow the timeline of the thread's replies. You made no mention whatsoever of W8.1 until after I said W10 was good at managing resources. For the record, except for that horrible "metro" UI that Microsoft tried to jam down everyone's throat :(, I always felt that W8 was a good OS.

With Classic Shell, deactivated corner functions (don´t know how exactly to name it in english) and start to Desktop it was fine for me on many machines for some years :)

OK, didn´t mentioned that in the first, but ...

actual I using a i3-3220 for videocutting and don´t have issues in videocutting, but Windows 10 is a bit heavy for it, W11 isn´t supported by this generation.

... if I mention a CPU from 2012 it could be a hint that I didn´t started on this Platform with an OS which was released in 2015 ;)

Except you thought I bought this old system used and with W10, but I give no hint for that.

And I never wrote that W10 is an ressource killer in general, I only meant it´s to ressource-hungry for the i3-3220

Maybe there were some misunderstanding on both sides, but maybe you should also simply trust me if I write that W10 is to heavy for a Budget Dual-Core from 2012. Maybe also because I have the CPU, you maybe not ;)

I hope we can stay friendly in this topic.

A topic can also have different opinions, a forum lives from different opinions, but facts should stay facts :)
 
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Dude, his CPU is literally a dozen years old and it's a budget CPU. It's ancient. Even W10 is a bit too extreme for this CPU.
If my 6 W dual core Celeron N4020 with 4 GB RAM can run Windows 10, then everything can. ;)
 
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