i7-1165G7 Voltage/PL lock

[Doom_Modder]

The situation is as follows:
The laptop is HP Envy with 1165G7 and the goal is to get the full 4.1GHz all-core boost (or at least closer to it). Currently, it hovers at 3.7 - 3.8. The cooling is not a problem. The laptop actually has 1650Ti and enough cooling for both chips. The TS bench got the CPU to 74 before the fans kicked in, holding it around 70. So not thermally limited. the Screenshot of handling the stress-test with ease is below.

The CPU PL2 is set to 35W which is the limiting factor from getting closer to the 4.1 GHz. The PL setting either does not do anything (of I have miss-configured it, please tell me that is the problem ):

Ok, great, so lets undervolt, that will give us more thermal headroom since the chip will to higher clock with lower Vcore. That will be more elegant solution anyway and allow me to increase batterylife as well! Right? Oh...

The voltage is disabled and it literally says "Not Available". That is a bummer. And I will save you some time, I already turned off memory integrity, deleted the .ini (that message that I am about to melt my CPU that showed on the next programm start really warmed my heart) and rebooted the laptop.

Of course, there is a posibility I have misconfigured it somehow, which is actually what I am hoping for. Either way, I did not find any solution that would work and XTU wont let me install it. Not that It would have let me adjust the voltage, but It would have been at least something. Do you see something obvious I missed? i dont have any ideas left for now, if I realize/remember something, I will make another post.

Thank you!

 

[unclewebb]

Intel removed CPU voltage control from the 11th Gen G7 series. That is why the FIVR window has lots of blank space.

Some laptops use an embedded controller (EC) to enforce a power limit. ThrottleStop only has access to the MSR and MMIO power limits. The EC limit is likely set to 35W.

Your laptop has been neutered by both Intel and HP. Sad times.

 

[Doom_Modder]

Thank you for the answer!
I am still pissed off that Intel and HP made literally i5 1135G7 out of my i7 1165G7:

And then prevented me to do anything about it. I will contact them for the chance of doing anything about it (which are slim at best, I know ). I will make another update to this thread if I get anywhere. If anything, let this thread save some time for anyone else trying to get their CPU run at the actually marketed speed. o7

 

[PHVM_BR]

Thank you for the answer!
I am still pissed off that Intel and HP made literally i5 1135G7 out of my i7 1165G7:

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And then prevented me to do anything about it. I will contact them for the chance of doing anything about it (which are slim at best, I know ). I will make another update to this thread if I get anywhere. If anything, let this thread save some time for anyone else trying to get their CPU run at the actually marketed speed. o7

Envy 14 in performance mode in HP software has PL1=45W.
Uncheck both lock boxes and restart the laptop.
Put it in performance mode and check the power limit value in TPL.

 

[Doom_Modder]

Thank you for the info!
I was able to reach repeatedly 4.1GHz (4095Mhz to be exact) for all-core load after doing that. It has also led me to investigate different charger types. I have a suspicion about the laptop not behaving the same on the barrel plug and 100W Thunderbolt charger. There is no notification about a weak charger anyway, but I was directed in the right direction. I will add any new findings when I learn anything.

 

[PHVM_BR]

Thank you for the info!
I was able to reach repeatedly 4.1GHz (4095Mhz to be exact) for all-core load after doing that. It has also led me to investigate different charger types. I have a suspicion about the laptop not behaving the same on the barrel plug and 100W Thunderbolt charger. There is no notification about a weak charger anyway, but I was directed in the right direction. I will add any new findings when I learn anything.

In cinebench R23 multicore what clock/power/temperature can you get in performance mode?
And the score?

 

[Doom_Modder]

In cinebench R23 multicore what clock/power/temperature can you get in performance mode?

Well, the sys stats for multicore were following:

It held 4.1GHz on the line for most of the render while burning 49W with a peak of 51.8.
And the score being the same as 7700K in a thin and light 14" chassis? That is pretty speedy given the CPU is a couple of years old.

The single core is pretty decent for a laptop as well. It did single core pretty easily, but to get a 4.7Ghz flat line you would need the whole rest of the OS using 1 core at most (the 4.7 boost is for 2 active cores) which is not happening on an average PC. That is why it was jumping 4.7 to 4.1 and back. I have noticed many of those dives to 4.1 was when the tile was changing but that is not the whole story at all:

Edit: the last chart is for single-core scores and it is only for reference. Some grammar edits as well.

Also, it is worth mentioning I have applied LM (TG condactonaut to be exact) and all 3 chips. The default config will run hotter and may even thermal throttle during the multicore CB.

 

[PHVM_BR]

Well, the sys stats for multicore were following:
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It held 4.1GHz on the line for most of the render while burning 49W with a peak of 51.8.
And the score being the same as 7700K in a thin and light 14" chassis? That is pretty speedy given the CPU is a couple of years old.
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The single core is pretty decent for a laptop as well. It did single core pretty easily, but to get a 4.7Ghz flat line you would need the whole rest of the OS using 1 core at most (the 4.7 boost is for 2 active cores) which is not happening on an average PC. That is why it was jumping 4.7 to 4.1 and back. I have noticed many of those dives to 4.1 was when the tile was changing but that is not the whole story at all:
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Edit: the last chart is for single-core scores and it is only for reference. Some grammar adits as well.

Also, it is worth mentioning I have applied LM (TG condactonaut to be exact) and all 3 chips. The default config will run hotter and may even thermal throttle during the multicore CB.

This is a very good machine!

About your score, you can extract a little more in multicore and your single core score is below average.

This i7 is capable of 6700/6800 in multicore and +1500 in single core.

Perhaps with the use of a stand to move the air intake away from the table and with less bloat of the operating system with less applications running in the background you can do it.

Your temperatures are good and you have thermal space to increase the PL1 to 50W.

Probably blocked by HP, but maybe you can just check Sync MMIO (without checking both Lock like you did before).

 

[Doom_Modder]

your single core score is below average

That is what puzzles me, why is it so low? That would mean that basically, everyone is holding 4.7GHz on the dot. I will definitely check that aspect again, it is really weird. I did some gaming benchmarks as well and it actually held the 4.7 a lot more than ST CB. That is not how it should work I would say. Or is CB doing some crap on the other threads as well? Like doing some measurements or preparing the next tile. That would explain it. Not the other user's higher score that much since there is not anything non-essential running on the machine.

Perhaps with the use of a stand to move the air intake away from the table

I was holding it in the air for the run while not obstructing the airflow. A fan would help but we are getting too unreasonable for everyday use. I want it to be as speedy as possible while still convenient (as much as 14" can be - I really missed my 27" screen having only the little Envy for 2 weeks).

Your temperatures are good and you have thermal space to increase the PL1 to 50W.

I am actually not sure that is the case. when you inspect the graph of power, temp and clock:

There might be a correlation of lowering power a little when the temps reached 85C hence lowering the clock falling to 3.8 in one of the dips. I reproduced it several times. I will run it with the TS limits monitor opened again to get some insight. But it is pretty possible that it will just show powerlimit all the time since it has some kind of controller to change the behavior based on the HP command center setting.

just check Sync MMIO (without checking both Lock like you did before).

I will give that a shoot.

Thanks for the tips though!

 

[PHVM_BR]

I believe the clock drop during the multicore test is due to the 45W PL1 input.
This i7 needs 48/49W to maintain 4.1GHz on all cores during multicore Cinebench R23.
With the 45W cap at PL1 your score is as expected.
As for the low single core performance I believe it is the fault of too many applications running in the background. Solving this should be able to reach 1500 points and maybe with a stand and lower ambient temp you can get ~6400/6500 on multicore.

 

[Doom_Modder]

Solving this should be able to reach 1500

It did.

Still working on that MC. Thanks for the tips.

It honestly doesn't seem like there is a way around the 45W PL HP set.

maybe you can just check Sync MMIO (without checking both Lock like you did before).

Tried that but the limit is still there. Cant get much higher than that:

This i7 needs 48/49W to maintain 4.1GHz on all cores

Well, I have a little above-average chip then because mine needs only 47/48. I still can't use it past that short boost window.

 

[PHVM_BR]

Your machine is excellent!
It now has the expected scores for your processor and power limit....
It's at a very high level for a 14" laptop...
Good choice!

 

[paul4762]

sorry for bringing up an old thread but I'm having issues with my HP Envy x360 and i7-1165G7. I'm getting about half the score I've seen on this thread. Any guidance on how to setup throttlestop or what my default values should be would be a huge help please. I'm looking for or any other setting I might be missing.
PL values clamp/don't clamp?
Turbo Limit?
MMIO or power limit lock?
Speedship EEP?

 

[unclewebb]

Post a TPL screenshot. Checking the MMIO Lock box is important.

Not all laptops are created equal. HP might have locked down your laptop so the performance of your 1165G7 might only be half compared to similar laptops from other manufacturers.

 

[paul4762]

Here's what my settings are

 

[paul4762]

Post a TPL screenshot. Checking the MMIO Lock box is important.

Not all laptops are created equal. HP might have locked down your laptop so the performance of your 1165G7 might only be half compared to similar laptops from other manufacturers.

sorry to bug you again, but do you have any thoughts? It's performing way worse than my wife's Surface Pro 7 with an i5-1035G4 with stock settings

 

[unclewebb]

It's performing way worse than my wife's Surface Pro 7

You are not the first person to get better performance with a lower end G series processor compared to the G7. Some computers must be using excessive throttling schemes on their G7 laptops.

Turn the ThrottleStop Log File option on and use your computer for at least 15 minutes. Make sure the log file covers a period of time when your laptop is performing poorly. Perhaps the log file might show a problem that can be fixed. When done testing, exit ThrottleStop and attach a log file to your next post. This log will be in the ThrottleStop / Logs folder.

Check the Speed Shift box in the TPL window and I would set Power Limit 4 to a value of 0.

Some 10th Gen laptops with 1065G7 processors were locked down to the rated TDP which was only 15W. Intel never documented TDP for the 11th Gen G7 processors so some manufacturers decided to keep using the same 15W long term turbo power limit. That can reduce performance significantly. A log file should show something.

sorry to bug you again

No problem. You need to bug me more when I forget to reply. The baseball playoffs are on, NFL is going, NHL hockey and NBA basketball pre-season have started. Sports fans like myself easily lose track of pretty much everything at this time of year.

 

[paul4762]

You are not the first person to get better performance with a lower end G series processor compared to the G7. Some computers must be using excessive throttling schemes on their G7 laptops.

damn I wish I knew that before swapping my surface pro for this HP Envy x360

Turn the ThrottleStop Log File option on and use your computer for at least 15 minutes. Make sure the log file covers a period of time when your laptop is performing poorly. Perhaps the log file might show a problem that can be fixed. When done testing, exit ThrottleStop and attach a log file to your next post. This log will be in the ThrottleStop / Logs folder.

Check the Speed Shift box in the TPL window and I would set Power Limit 4 to a value of 0.

ok I think I set everything right and did a CPU test then played the 1 and only game I play DRL Sim. It looks like everything is temp related unless you see something else that might help improve it a little.
Maybe if I lower the max CPU I can get a longer run without throttling? I don't think it needs to go to 4.8GHz

Some 10th Gen laptops with 1065G7 processors were locked down to the rated TDP which was only 15W. Intel never documented TDP for the 11th Gen G7 processors so some manufacturers decided to keep using the same 15W long term turbo power limit. That can reduce performance significantly. A log file should show something.


No problem. You need to bug me more when I forget to reply. The baseball playoffs are on, NFL is going, NHL hockey and NBA basketball pre-season have started. Sports fans like myself easily lose track of pretty much everything at this time of year.

ah nice, I'm not too into spots but I do watch some of the Sunday games. I'm a Giants fan, sadly, but I'm used to it haha

 

[unclewebb]

The main problem is inadequate cooling. Hard to get smooth and consistent performance when a CPU is constantly thermal throttling.

You can set both PL1 and PL2 to about 20W. Not sure if power limit throttling will be any better than thermal throttling. Cleaning out you laptop might not help if the heatsink is inadequate. Use Honeywell PTM 7950 if you decide to clean and replace the thermal paste.