i7 7700K worth buying after all those Over Heats Dilemma?

[aiVANHO]

Hello Good People,
Good Day.
Going to buy a new set up soon. Mainly for gaming. In cpu sector i'm planning to get i7 7700K with Z270 and 240mm AIO.
Question is will it (7700K) be a safe choice? I'm deeply concerned and worried about all those user complain at Intel User Community regarding temp spike issue.
Please help me out.
Thannk You

EDIT:
Actually currently I’ve an i7 6700K set up (which you’re seeing in my System Specs). But planning to build my 2nd set up with 7700K.

EDIT:
Its been almost 24 hours since i started this thread. Few number of Gentleman already have given their opinion and made me choosing the best possible thing. Thanks everyone for that.
I just want to let you know waiting for Intel 8th Gen probably the best thing for me. 7700K still a very very good gaming cpu but i don't want to take any risk and hassle. Either i will be waiting until 8th Gen release or 7700 instead of 7700K.

 

[THE_EGG]

Hello Good People,
Good Day.
Going to buy a new set up soon. Mainly for gaming. In cpu sector i'm planning to get i7 7700K with Z270 and 240mm AIO.
Question is will it (7700K) be a safe choice? I'm deeply concerned and worried about all those user complain at Intel User Community regarding temp spike issue.
Please help me out.
Thannk You

Honestly with my experience with it no. Mine simply runs too hot and I've tried cooling it with a DeepCool Captain 240EX, Corsair H80i v2 and a Noctua NH-D15S (the D15S is what i'm currently using). Even undervolting my CPU means my temperatures still reach mid-80Cs after playing a game or low-90Cs after encoding with AVX. There is no hope of overclocking my CPU without delidding it which I am thinking about doing but I'm waiting to hear back from Intel and my retail store.

However I know of other people with it who do not experience overheating. So it is hard to say.

Personally I would wait for Coffee Lake CPUs to be released. I think they're launching in about 2 weeks so it isn't too long to wait. Then you can choose between those and AMD Ryzen.

Edit: I see you're running your 6700k @ 4.5GHz. I would just keep using that if I were you

 

[EarthDog]

Go for it... However, I surely wouldn't ditch a 6700K for it.

 

[Komshija]

If you have a working i7 6700K-based system (which is listed on your system specs), buying an i7 7700K-based system would be the exact opposite of "smart". Performance wise, you'll get almost nothing over the i7 6700K.
If you really must build a new gaming system, I suggest Ryzen 5 1600 or 1600X with B350 or X370 motherboard. Good air coolers like Be Quiet Shadow Rock Slim, Cryorig H5 Universal, Thermalright True Spirit 140 etc. will be more than enough.

 

[AsRock]

Just buy a new video card, no reason to change any thing else.

 

[phanbuey]

8700k is being announced next Monday... so definitely not the time to buy a 7700k...

Apparently there is also a K series i3 that looks suspiciously like the current 7700.

 

[trog100]

4 core 8 thread intel chips have reached an end of line heat barrier.. when this happens a move to more slower cores is the only way to go..

the 7700k chip is being pushed as far as it will go but as long as people dont mind seeing 90 C the chip is fine at 4.8 ghz.. i had mine at 5 ghz during the winter months but slowed it down for summer..

trog

 

[Vlada011]

Noth worth to buy i7-7700K Now. Actually that's big mistake now.
Wait 8th Generation and ready about motherboard compatibility.
People prey for Z170/Z270 compatibility but Intel will launch Z370 chipset soon.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Dude, you have a 6700K. Why in the world you want to update your CPU? If I were you I would wait for 9th or even 10th generation of intel CPU to upgrade.
I'm still on a 3770K and still have 0 (zero) reasons to upgrade.

 

[aiVANHO]

Honestly with my experience with it no. Mine simply runs too hot and I've tried cooling it with a DeepCool Captain 240EX, Corsair H80i v2 and a Noctua NH-D15S (the D15S is what i'm currently using). Even undervolting my CPU means my temperatures still reach mid-80Cs after playing a game or low-90Cs after encoding with AVX. There is no hope of overclocking my CPU without delidding it which I am thinking about doing but I'm waiting to hear back from Intel and my retail store.

However I know of other people with it who do not experience overheating. So it is hard to say.

Personally I would wait for Coffee Lake CPUs to be released. I think they're launching in about 2 weeks so it isn't too long to wait. Then you can choose between those and AMD Ryzen.

Edit: I see you're running your 6700k @ 4.5GHz. I would just keep using that if I were you

Actually Currently i've an i7 6700K set up(The one quoted in my System Specs)

Honestly with my experience with it no. Mine simply runs too hot and I've tried cooling it with a DeepCool Captain 240EX, Corsair H80i v2 and a Noctua NH-D15S (the D15S is what i'm currently using). Even undervolting my CPU means my temperatures still reach mid-80Cs after playing a game or low-90Cs after encoding with AVX. There is no hope of overclocking my CPU without delidding it which I am thinking about doing but I'm waiting to hear back from Intel and my retail store.

However I know of other people with it who do not experience overheating. So it is hard to say.

Personally I would wait for Coffee Lake CPUs to be released. I think they're launching in about 2 weeks so it isn't too long to wait. Then you can choose between those and AMD Ryzen.

Edit: I see you're running your 6700k @ 4.5GHz. I would just keep using that if I were you

Actually currently I’ve an i7 6700K set up (which you’re seeing in my System Specs). But planning to build my 2nd set up which is why I posted here for 7700K.

Thanks for your honest statement. For sure it will help me choosing. Guess I should wait for 8th Gen Coffeelake. And for Ryzen, Performance wise its too good no doubt. But in my opinion Ryzen still not mature. Chronological BIOS Update, Bug fixing feature will make it stable which needs more time. I really dislike updating BIOS & vice versa regularly.

Btw what are you expecting from retail store? In fact the way Intel officially responded to their user feedback isn’t that too lame? Only Delidding could save ur 7700K. But that’s too risky. I’ve seen some of my known people get their 7700K Temp spike problem solved by Delidding it.

Go for it... However, I surely wouldn't ditch a 6700K for it.

Actually currently I’ve an i7 6700K set up (which you’re seeing in my System Specs). But planning to build my 2nd set up which is why I posted here for 7700K.

Anyway Thanks for your suggestion.

If you have a working i7 6700K-based system (which is listed on your system specs), buying an i7 7700K-based system would be the exact opposite of "smart". Performance wise, you'll get almost nothing over the i7 6700K.
If you really must build a new gaming system, I suggest Ryzen 5 1600 or 1600X with B350 or X370 motherboard. Good air coolers like Be Quiet Shadow Rock Slim, Cryorig H5 Universal, Thermalright True Spirit 140 etc. will be more than enough.

Actually currently I’ve an i7 6700K set up (which you’re seeing in my System Specs). But planning to build my 2nd set up which is why I posted here for 7700K.

And for Ryzen, Overall performance wise Ryzen too good no doubt. Best bang for the buck. But In my opinion Ryzen still not mature. Chronological BIOS Update, Bug fixing feature will make it more & more stable which needs more time. Personally really dislike tweaking & updating BIOS & vice versa regularly.

Please don’t get offended. Its just my personal thinking.

Just buy a new video card, no reason to change any thing else.

Actually currently I’ve an i7 6700K set up (which you’re seeing in my System Specs). But planning to build my 2nd set up which is why I posted here for 7700K with 1080ti.

Thanks for your suggestion though.

8700k is being announced next Monday... so definitely not the time to buy a 7700k...

Apparently there is also a K series i3 that looks suspiciously like the current 7700.

Actually thinking same like you. Waiting for 8700K would be much worthy. Lets see what can I do. Thank You.

4 core 8 thread intel chips have reached an end of line heat barrier.. when this happens a move to more slower cores is the only way to go..

the 7700k chip is being pushed as far as it will go but as long as people dont mind seeing 90 C the chip is fine at 4.8 ghz.. i had mine at 5 ghz during the winter months but slowed it down for summer..

trog

What the…!! Man!! 4.8~5Ghz on 7700K? Even stock 7700K spikes to 80~85C + . Guess you are exceptionally lucky enough getting Silicon Lottery.

Noth worth to buy i7-7700K Now. Actually that's big mistake now.
Wait 8th Generation and ready about motherboard compatibility.
People prey for Z170/Z270 compatibility but Intel will launch Z370 chipset soon.

Thanks for your suggestion bro. Thinking same as you. Guess waiting for 8th gen would be the best option. At least for now.

Dude, you have a 6700K. Why in the world you want to update your CPU? If I were you I would wait for 9th or even 10th generation of intel CPU to upgrade.
I'm still on a 3770K and still have 0 (zero) reasons to upgrade.

Actually currently I’ve an i7 6700K set up (which you’re seeing in my System Specs). But planning to build my 2nd set up which is why I posted here for 7700K.

Anyway Thanks for your concern.

 

[sneekypeet]

@aiVANHO https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...osts-and-use-the-multi-quote-features.234427/

 

[EarthDog]

Holy cow.. PLEASE figure out how to multi-quote man... double posts are a no-no, none the less 7 posts in a row. Damn.. never saw that many posts in a row, lol haha!

Anyway, if its all new, then wait out Coffee Lake. Thanks for now clarifying its a separate and new build.

 

[THE_EGG]

Actually Currently i've an i7 6700K set up(The one quoted in my System Specs)

Actually currently I’ve an i7 6700K set up (which you’re seeing in my System Specs). But planning to build my 2nd set up which is why I posted here for 7700K.

Thanks for your honest statement. For sure it will help me choosing. Guess I should wait for 8th Gen Coffeelake. And for Ryzen, Performance wise its too good no doubt. But in my opinion Ryzen still not mature. Chronological BIOS Update, Bug fixing feature will make it stable which needs more time. I really dislike updating BIOS & vice versa regularly.

Btw what are you expecting from retail store? In fact the way Intel officially responded to their user feedback isn’t that too lame? Only Delidding could save ur 7700K. But that’s too risky. I’ve seen some of my known people get their 7700K Temp spike problem solved by Delidding it.

I agree regarding the maturity of Ryzen. Frankly, I went with the 7700k for the same reason as you - to avoid bugs and updating BIOSes for Ryzen. Although the 7700k is still regarded as the best CPU for gaming, it is still a very hot chip. To be honest I'd rather sacrifice a couple of frames and have a quiet CPU than have outright gaming performance - but that's just me. The few people I know who went with Ryzen have been pretty happy with stability.

As others have said and yourself, waiting for 8th gen is the best idea imo.

Regarding my own 7700k, I've seen a couple of people online both in forums and YouTube videos who have had their CPUs replaced by Intel because of high peak temperatures and temperature spikes (despite officially saying that the high temperatures are normal). So I'm hoping that if I can get an answer from Intel regarding possible replacement of my CPU, my retail store will do a swap. If not then I'll probably risk a delid using one those special delidding & relidding tools. If I f*ck up then well I'll be saving for 8th Gen i7 or Ryzen haha.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Just remember, it is the case's responsibility to provide an adequate supply of cool air flowing through the case. The effectiveness of best cooler in the world is quickly negated if it is blowing hot air onto the hot processor.

 

[Toothless]

Nothing wrong with the 7700k, it seems to be a PEBCAK issue but as some have pointed out the 8700k is getting announced whenever. Maybe it'll be a poor "upgrade" and 7700k prices will drop. Who knows.

 

[cadaveca]

Hmmm, 7700K or Ryzen? I have both. 7700K is my personal choice. People can complain about temps, but I feel that using mid-grade cooling on the top-tier chip for a platform is ill-advised. High-end chip needs high-end cooling, and yes, temps can be reported high... but... so? Same silicon as laptop chips that run 90c+ all their life.

BIOSes made ZERO difference for Ryzen, unless a board had a shit BIOS to begin with. Yes, memory issues... again, shit BIOSes and people not buying the right parts. When you have the right parts... no changes. BIOS doesn't make good boards better.

I got very few AMD boards for review. That's not because I personally favor Intel; that's what the OEMS have sent me to review. If they aren't sending them to me, there MUST be something wrong IMHO.

I'd also suggest a 280mm AIO, if your planned case can fit it. Less noise, or better cooling at same noise.

FYI, my review test system with 7700K uses H90, a single 140mm AIO, and it clocks fine.

 

[trog100]

what comes next will still suffer from the same heat problems.. clock speed for clock speed there is no reason to assume otherwise..

whilst gaming heat from my two room heater graphics cards will take the temps up to just over 90 C.. running at 5 ghz would add another 10 C and hit intels 100 C throttle point..

whilst its nice to see lower cpu tempts.. in reality i dont think it matters.. nether do intel else they would set the throttle point lower..

trog

 

[phanbuey]

just delid the 7700k - the chip is actually cool as a cucumber, its just the tim that is bad.

 

[trog100]

just delid the 7700k - the chip is actually cool as a cucumber, its just the tim that is bad.

i did a re-lid on my 4790K just to see.. it dropped my tempts down by a good 10 C.. with this one i cant be arsed.. i have come to the conclusion that 90 C wont do it the slightest harm.. he he..

if i was desperate to run it at 5 ghz i would but the extra couple of hundred mhz aint noticable.. only in benchmarks..

i could just run it at 4.6 ghz.. its super cool at that and again the performance drop would not be noticeable only in benchmarks..

i think what i am really trying to say is kept within reasonable limits the 7700K dosnt run hot.. exceed those limits and it will.. it will hit a heat limit before it trips over its own feet..

i also think that whatever comes after the 7700K will hit the same heat limits.. i see nothing that is gonna alter this situation..

trog

 

[phanbuey]

i did a re-lid on my 4790K just to see.. it dropped my tempts down by a good 10 C.. with this one i cant be arsed.. i have come to the conclusion that 90 C wont do it the slightest harm.. he he..

if i was desperate to run it at 5 ghz i would but the extra couple of hundred mhz aint noticable.. only in benchmarks..

i could just run it at 4.6 ghz.. its super cool at that and again the performance drop would not be noticeable only in benchmarks..

i think what i am really trying to say is kept within reasonable limits the 7700K dosnt run hot.. exceed those limits and it will.. it will hit a heat limit before it trips over its own feet..

i also think that whatever comes after the 7700K will hit the same heat limits.. i see nothing that is gonna alter this situation..

trog

As long as you don't throttle it is fine...

Worst case scenario is you do get it at 5Ghz or its a hot day the intel chips just throttle... which they can and will do all day long. The ryzen likes just hard shut off at the thermal limit lol.

 

[aiVANHO]

@aiVANHO https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...osts-and-use-the-multi-quote-features.234427/[/QUOTE@]
@sneekypeet I extremely sorry for my illiterate knowledge about replying procedure in a thread. Hopefully It won't happen again. Thanks for the lesson

Holy cow.. PLEASE figure out how to multi-quote man... double posts are a no-no, none the less 7 posts in a row. Damn.. never saw that many posts in a row, lol haha!

Anyway, if its all new, then wait out Coffee Lake. Thanks for now clarifying its a separate and new build.

@EarthDog Thank you for pointing out my mistake. I extremely sorry for my nubidity. I can assure it won't happen next time.

People can complain about temps, but I feel that using mid-grade cooling on the top-tier chip for a platform is ill-advised. High-end chip needs high-end cooling

@cadaveca Thanks for your suggestion. Anyway which highend cooler you are suggesting for 7700K? People using 240mm rad AIO like CM Master Liquid 240, Corsair H115i, DeepCool Captain 240 etc and still they are getting Temp Spike. Aren't these any good? Or you are suggesting LN cooling for 7700K?

 

[cadaveca]

Intel has purposely designed these CPUs to overheat to protect themselves before damage. Things that people are reporting as an issue is just simply a case of them not understanding why Intel would do this, but I do understand. You can use the best watercooling money can buy, and the chip will still be able to overheat if you push it, because that's how it protects itself. Fortunately, that means you can push to the limit temp-wise, and not worry about it.

So buy whatever cooler you like that fits within your budget. Like I said, my H90 works just fine, but it can get noisy at times, so getting something like that coolermaster liquidmaster pro 280 would help with that (I use this cooler for AMD, X99 and X299).

My CPU is capable of 5 GHz. I run 4.7 ghz on all cores, 4.8 on three, 4.9 on two, and 50 on one, done using the turbo profiling, in order to keep temperatures at sane levels under AVX loads, which means that most other loads are 75-85c, which is more than safe.

Please do not be swayed by the negative hype against Intel. There is much of it, because AMD can compete a bit with it, and anything negative about Intel makes AMD look better. AMD didn't send us threadripper for review... there's a reason. We don't buy into the hype here, and you shouldn't either.

 

[trog100]

As long as you don't throttle it is fine...

Worst case scenario is you do get it at 5Ghz or its a hot day the intel chips just throttle... which they can and will do all day long. The ryzen likes just hard shut off at the thermal limit lol.

when the intel chip gets to 100 C it throttles down.. it throttles down just enough to maintain that 100 C..

how much it throttles down depends on far it would go over that 100 C limit set by intel if it didnt.. it may go down from say 5 ghz to 4.8 or 4.6 i have never seen my intel chips go down any more.. its all fully automatic and goes up and down pretty quickly as required to maintain that chosen 100 C figure..

there is only one question that needs to be answered here.. maybe two questions.. why do intel choose 100 C as the throttle point and will hitting 100 C every so often do any harm to the chip..

high power gaming laptops must hit intels 100 C limit on a regular basis.. my thinking says that intel choose that 100 C throttle point because they know the chip is okay at 100 C..

seeing how cool a cpu can be made to run at is just the same as seeing how fast a chip can be made to run at.. a bragging point so to speak not an essential..

i do try and set things so that my 7700K never hits its 100 C throttle point.. but part of me thinks i could (within reason) just let intel do it for me.. he he..

trog

ps.. my asus board will let me set a lower max temp figure which i assume will do exactly the same thing as intels built in temp figure only at a lower temp figure chosen by me.. i have never used the feature but its there..

 

[cadaveca]

there is only one question that needs to be answered here.. maybe two questions.. why do intel choose 100 C as the throttle point and will hitting 100 C every so often do any harm to the chip..

No, temps will not harm the chip if at "stock" voltage and current levels. In a thread about 7700K having poor TIM I linked a video from Intel where they explained that they needed to create false failures in order to be able to properly analyze those failures so they could deal with the problem. That "fix" has in part been implemented in SkyLake-X with its new cache design.


People may like to say that Intel hasn't innovated much in past years because they had no competition, but the truth of the matter is that there are some very serious issues in designing their CPUs they needed to overcome, and they have only made minor changes in these CPUs because they have been trying to perfect them, not because they had no challenge on the market.

Part of those changes was moving away from solder as TIM under the IHS, and while people may complain that there is better TIM, they must not be aware of what's really going on, and that is in part the fault of reviewers and tech influencers. Stuff gets pretty technical very quickly, and people lose interest in things they don't understand, so I can't really complain about it that much, yet at the same time, there has been good reason why my opinion about some things is very different than other reviewers. It's not by chance that I knew that video from Intel existed, and it's not by chance that I was talking about SkyLake-X possibly drawing 300W @ stock, and might run hot.
Meanwhile, we get complaints about TIM... When said TIM is clearly capable of transferring nearly all of that 300 W that may be possible.


Anyway, the real answers to all questions about PC hardware exist, and most are out there on these company's websites. You just have to be willing to either do the research yourself to find them sometimes, or have a keen eye at recognizing the difference between hype and truth. What makes hype believeable is that it is always based on truth, but you need to find that truth and extract it and ignore the rest.

 

[trog100]

what happens in reality is that whatever research most people do they end up choosing the answer that best suits their own personal prejudice..

putting down ones own personal prejudice is the impossible part for some.. not me and you of course.. he he he..

trog