• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Is the form factor of mouse switches standard?

Joined
Oct 3, 2024
Messages
22 (0.22/day)
Location
Belgium
System Name N/A
Processor i7 3770
Motherboard Asus Z77-A
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Memory Patriot Signature 2x16GB DDR3-1600 CL11
Video Card(s) none (iGPU)
Storage Crucial MX500 500GB + Micron 1300 256GB
Display(s) Dell P2317H
Case N/A
Audio Device(s) Sennheiser SP20
Power Supply Corsair CX430
Mouse Logitech M90
Keyboard Belkin K100
VR HMD N/A
Software Fedora Silverblue 41/Windows 11 Pro
Benchmark Scores coming soon!
Forgive me if I'm being stupid here.

Recently, I've been having fancies about replacing the shitty unbranded switches in my Logitech M90 mouse with optical ones. I don't mind soldering or any of the other hassles, but I can not for the life of me find out WHAT format of switch will be able to be soldered into the pads. If it's helpful, the switch has 2 leads, is through-hole soldered, and measures about 14 x 5 x 6.5 mm and the leads are spaced about 6 mm apart (account for +/- 0.5 mm in my measurements because my hands tremble and I couldn't hold the ruler steadily).
 
Joined
Jul 25, 2006
Messages
13,444 (1.99/day)
Location
Nebraska, USA
System Name Brightworks Systems BWS-6 E-IV
Processor Intel Core i5-6600 @ 3.9GHz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 Rev 1.0
Cooling Quality case, 2 x Fractal Design 140mm fans, stock CPU HSF
Memory 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3000 Corsair Vengeance
Video Card(s) EVGA GEForce GTX 1050Ti 4Gb GDDR5
Storage Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD, Samsung 860 Evo 500GB SSD
Display(s) Samsung S24E650BW LED x 2
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Power Supply EVGA Supernova 550W G2 Gold
Mouse Logitech M190
Keyboard Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050
Software W10 Pro 64-bit
Form factor? Not sure what you mean by that. The way the information a mouse sends to the computer is standard. That is, the protocols and voltages used are standardized. But the manufacturers can use any size or shape switch they want - as long as it is a "momentary" switch. That is, the switch completes the circuit when pressed, and stays that way until you lift your finger, then the circuit opens until you press the button again.
 
Joined
Oct 3, 2024
Messages
22 (0.22/day)
Location
Belgium
System Name N/A
Processor i7 3770
Motherboard Asus Z77-A
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Memory Patriot Signature 2x16GB DDR3-1600 CL11
Video Card(s) none (iGPU)
Storage Crucial MX500 500GB + Micron 1300 256GB
Display(s) Dell P2317H
Case N/A
Audio Device(s) Sennheiser SP20
Power Supply Corsair CX430
Mouse Logitech M90
Keyboard Belkin K100
VR HMD N/A
Software Fedora Silverblue 41/Windows 11 Pro
Benchmark Scores coming soon!
Form factor? Not sure what you mean by that. The way the information a mouse sends to the computer is standard. That is, the protocols and voltages used are standardized. But the manufacturers can use any size or shape switch they want - as long as it is a "momentary" switch. That is, the switch completes the circuit when pressed, and stays that way until you lift your finger, then the circuit opens until you press the button again.
I meant the size of the switch and the spacing and size of the leads
 

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop
Joined
Feb 27, 2006
Messages
19,733 (2.86/day)
Location
w
System Name Black MC in Tokyo
Processor Ryzen 5 7600
Motherboard MSI X670E Gaming Plus Wifi
Cooling Be Quiet! Pure Rock 2
Memory 2 x 16GB Corsair Vengeance @ 6000Mhz
Video Card(s) XFX 6950XT Speedster MERC 319
Storage Kingston KC3000 1TB | WD Black SN750 2TB |WD Blue 1TB x 2 | Toshiba P300 2TB | Seagate Expansion 8TB
Display(s) Samsung U32J590U 4K + BenQ GL2450HT 1080p
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Audio Device(s) Plantronics 5220, Nektar SE61 keyboard
Power Supply Corsair RM850x v3
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Dell SK3205
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores Rimworld 4K ready!
They use switches, any switches, and those come in a ton of different dimensions and specifications. Whether or not there are optical switches you can just replace them with ... I don't know. I'm thinking probably not, because they work completely differently compared to normal mechanical switches. Normal switches just connects two poles and thus completes a circuit, an optical switch has lights and shutter mechanisms and stuff, meaning the entire mouse has to be designed with that in mind.

And this is just a question: How good are you at soldering, considering your hands shake so much you can't hold a ruler steady?
 
Joined
Jul 25, 2006
Messages
13,444 (1.99/day)
Location
Nebraska, USA
System Name Brightworks Systems BWS-6 E-IV
Processor Intel Core i5-6600 @ 3.9GHz
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 Rev 1.0
Cooling Quality case, 2 x Fractal Design 140mm fans, stock CPU HSF
Memory 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3000 Corsair Vengeance
Video Card(s) EVGA GEForce GTX 1050Ti 4Gb GDDR5
Storage Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD, Samsung 860 Evo 500GB SSD
Display(s) Samsung S24E650BW LED x 2
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Power Supply EVGA Supernova 550W G2 Gold
Mouse Logitech M190
Keyboard Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050
Software W10 Pro 64-bit

eidairaman1

The Exiled Airman
Joined
Jul 2, 2007
Messages
43,041 (6.72/day)
Location
Republic of Texas (True Patriot)
System Name PCGOD
Processor AMD FX 8350@ 5.0GHz
Motherboard Asus TUF 990FX Sabertooth R2 2901 Bios
Cooling Scythe Ashura, 2×BitFenix 230mm Spectre Pro LED (Blue,Green), 2x BitFenix 140mm Spectre Pro LED
Memory 16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V)
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X
Storage Samsung 840 Pro 256GB, WD Velociraptor 1TB
Display(s) NEC Multisync LCD 1700V (Display Port Adapter)
Case AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition
Audio Device(s) Creative Labs Sound Blaster ZxR
Power Supply Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3)
Mouse Roccat Kone XTD
Keyboard Roccat Ryos MK Pro
Software Windows 7 Pro 64
They are proprietary so you should identify your current 1s and take measurements and also ask the manufacture of the device
 

Frick

Fishfaced Nincompoop
Joined
Feb 27, 2006
Messages
19,733 (2.86/day)
Location
w
System Name Black MC in Tokyo
Processor Ryzen 5 7600
Motherboard MSI X670E Gaming Plus Wifi
Cooling Be Quiet! Pure Rock 2
Memory 2 x 16GB Corsair Vengeance @ 6000Mhz
Video Card(s) XFX 6950XT Speedster MERC 319
Storage Kingston KC3000 1TB | WD Black SN750 2TB |WD Blue 1TB x 2 | Toshiba P300 2TB | Seagate Expansion 8TB
Display(s) Samsung U32J590U 4K + BenQ GL2450HT 1080p
Case Fractal Design Define R4
Audio Device(s) Plantronics 5220, Nektar SE61 keyboard
Power Supply Corsair RM850x v3
Mouse Logitech G602
Keyboard Dell SK3205
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores Rimworld 4K ready!
They are proprietary so you should identify your current 1s and take measurements and also ask the manufacture of the device

Not in the case of the mouses I've opened. Those have all either been those push button switches or micro switches. OP wants to replace them with optical switches though.
No standards for any of that.
This is a detour, but I thought stuff like in the attached image were manufactured to some kind of IPC standards or something, like lead/hole size and stuff. Or is it just common sizes they use because everyone else use it?

 
Joined
Oct 3, 2024
Messages
22 (0.22/day)
Location
Belgium
System Name N/A
Processor i7 3770
Motherboard Asus Z77-A
Cooling Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Memory Patriot Signature 2x16GB DDR3-1600 CL11
Video Card(s) none (iGPU)
Storage Crucial MX500 500GB + Micron 1300 256GB
Display(s) Dell P2317H
Case N/A
Audio Device(s) Sennheiser SP20
Power Supply Corsair CX430
Mouse Logitech M90
Keyboard Belkin K100
VR HMD N/A
Software Fedora Silverblue 41/Windows 11 Pro
Benchmark Scores coming soon!
So you guys mean I'm just supposed to YOLO it and try multiple ones till one fits?

And this is just a question: How good are you at soldering, considering your hands shake so much you can't hold a ruler steady?
Jeez that's brutal... I'd say for the through hole things I've soldered so far I have never broken anything. My joints are never particularly clean but they're also never dangerous or unreliable.

Also, I thought the optical switches were an enclosed unit like the mechanical switches just with a different internal design.

So what kind of mechanical switch should I buy (it appears to be 3.3V)?
 
Top