Is there GPU availability in China?

[Sportbro]

A friend of mine is a chinese national and will be going back home and he told me he can try finding me a GPU.I want to know if a customer can go to a tech market and buy a GPU in China or is it just like the rest of the world,2-3x price markup.I wouldnt want to send my friend on a wild goose chase.I want any 20 or 30 series card or AMD equivalent.

He will be searching only for 1 GPU for me and he will get mine plus cash.
Any help would be appreciated.

 

[joemama]

As far as I know the GPUs are also out of stock in China as well due to the mining frenzy.

 

[Blue4130]

I am in Beijing and the prices here are atrocious.

 

[Sportbro]

Check this out: https://list.jd.com/list.html?cat=670,677,679&ev=3626_136030||136029||136031||155295||156007||154678^

those seem like on par with the rest of the world
well im dissapointed
cant even get these products in the country of origin

 

[Blue4130]

those seem like on par with the rest of the world
well im dissapointed
cant even get these products in the country of origin

Well, this is where the majority of mining farms are...

 

[Sportbro]

Well, this is where the majority of mining farms are...

I guess so
Time to disappoint my friend

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I personally wouldn't. Harder and more costly to warranty if something goes wrong

 

[LovelyAkuma2]

High price indeed, here's where both the production and consumption are crazy.

 

[Bill_Bright]

It's a global issue. I would also be concerned with counterfeits.

cant even get these products in the country of origin

Ummm, "country of origin" can mean different things. While a product may be manufactured in China, that does automatically mean China is the "country of origin".

Also, the biggest players when it comes to GPUs (AMD and NVIDIA) are American companies. And out of the top 10 semiconductor makers (which includes RAM makers) not one is based in China.

Plus, the biggest players in the graphics card industry don't come from China either. For example. ASUS, Gigabyte, and MSI are headquartered in Taiwan. Taiwan is a sovereign country (for now) and not part of China. EVGA and XFX are out of California.

In most cases, these companies design the product and control (or at least are supposed to control) the manufacturing. They also control the distribution which means when the products leave the factory, they are distributed to where the company whose brand is on the product wants them to go. That is, the Chinese retail consumer market does not get first pick.

My point is, "Assembled in China", "Manufactured in China", or even "Made in China" does not necessarily mean China is the product's "country of origin". It often just means "production" was "outsourced" to some third-party Chinese factory.

There are exceptions, of course. There are Chinese companies, Sapphire and ZOTAC for examples, that make their own graphics solutions. And they make OEM products that are rebranded and sold by other non-Chinese companies. But note many of the components used are made outside of China.

And then there's COVID interfering (directly and/or indirectly) virtually every step of the way.

So back to my initial statement - "It's a global issue."

 

[Hardcore Games]

prices are insane everywhere

long as bitcoin is a thing nothing will change

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

prices are insane everywhere

long as bitcoin is a thing nothing will change

this is untrue
silicon shortage will make a dent in the lack of stocks

 

[Blue4130]

this is untrue
silicon shortage will make a dent in the lack of stocks

Huh? A silicon shortage is going to create stock? How does that work? (make a dent in a lack of stock implies increasing stock unless I am mistaken)

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

Huh? A silicon shortage is going to create stock? How does that work? (make a dent in a lack of stock implies increasing stock unless I am mistaken)

i mean that it will reduce the shortage
as the silicon shortage is a major factor

 

[Blue4130]

If

i mean that it will reduce the shortage
as the silicon shortage is a major factor

If there is a silicon shortage on top of a mining shortage, that will make the shortage worse, not better.

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

If

If there is a silicon shortage on top of a mining shortage, that will make the shortage worse, not better.

i know thats what i said
so when the shortage goes away cards will come back into stock

 

[purecain]

The GPU manufacturers need to give back to the community imo after such a debacle. We've always suffered price hikes and price gouging but with mining, prices have been insane giving these companies profits I'm sure they never dreamed of.

Lets hope the next lot of GPU's that are released are available and the actual games dont need to be down rendered to produce good fps at the Res we choose. I'm all for DLSS and upscaling past 1440p for high fps games.
I just dont think we should have to rely on DLSS 2.* to get the latest game running at the highest settings. I would however see the endeavour of making upscaling tech, available to older cards a much more honourable task from the GPU makers.
Like AMD's version of the upscaling technology available in certain games like cyberpunk. I think that should allow older gtx1080's and above with 11+gb of fast ddr5 and those with notebook gpu's the ability to run games at the highest settings when they were really at End Of Life for the high end.

As seen as the GPU makers have been happy to sell off old GPU stock it would be nice to see them offer more upscaling apps. I think I'd sell my 3090 and go back to the Titan V if it really does offer the extra fps without too much image degradation.
I'll have to test the Titan V running with amd's upscaling tech in a game like Cyberpunk.

I upgraded due not being able to get more than 30fps with RTX on low in this game. I could get 70fps without RTX when streaming. Upscaling tech by AMD(Fidelity FX CAS) wasnt added when the game first released.

If it ran perfectly now id be a happy customer.

So yeah I'd like to see more software released for the older gens including adding Resizable Bar support for the cards down to 1080's at least.

I know I'm dreaming to an extent, but lets see what happens. Gone a bit off topic here, but what with being 143yrs old can you blame me

 

[Flanker]

It's a global issue. I would also be concerned with counterfeits.

Ummm, "country of origin" can mean different things. While a product may be manufactured in China, that does automatically mean China is the "country of origin".

Also, the biggest players when it comes to GPUs (AMD and NVIDIA) are American companies. And out of the top 10 semiconductor makers (which includes RAM makers) not one is based in China.

Plus, the biggest players in the graphics card industry don't come from China either. For example. ASUS, Gigabyte, and MSI are headquartered in Taiwan. Taiwan is a sovereign country (for now) and not part of China. EVGA and XFX are out of California.

In most cases, these companies design the product and control (or at least are supposed to control) the manufacturing. They also control the distribution which means when the products leave the factory, they are distributed to where the company whose brand is on the product wants them to go. That is, the Chinese retail consumer market does not get first pick.

My point is, "Assembled in China", "Manufactured in China", or even "Made in China" does not necessarily mean China is the product's "country of origin". It often just means "production" was "outsourced" to some third-party Chinese factory.

There are exceptions, of course. There are Chinese companies, Sapphire and ZOTAC for examples, that make their own graphics solutions. And they make OEM products that are rebranded and sold by other non-Chinese companies. But note many of the components used are made outside of China.

And then there's COVID interfering (directly and/or indirectly) virtually every step of the way.

So back to my initial statement - "It's a global issue."

Indeed. And AFAIK when buying in China, these products have import taxes applied.

A friend of mine is a chinese national and will be going back home and he told me he can try finding me a GPU.I want to know if a customer can go to a tech market and buy a GPU in China or is it just like the rest of the world,2-3x price markup.I wouldnt want to send my friend on a wild goose chase.I want any 20 or 30 series card or AMD equivalent.

He will be searching only for 1 GPU for me and he will get mine plus cash.
Any help would be appreciated.

Check (either you or your friend whoever understands simplified Chinese) the official sellers of each brand (ASUS Gigabyte etc) in JD and Tmall. That's the prices you get.

 

[Blue4130]

i know thats what i said
so when the shortage goes away cards will come back into stock

Indeed. And AFAIK when buying in China, these products have important taxes applied.


Check (either you or your friend whoever understands simplified Chinese) the official sellers of each brand (ASUS Gigabyte etc) in JD and Tmall. That's the prices you get.

$3137 USD will get you a zotac 3080 from JD. (direct, not 3rd party seller)

 

[RadeonProVega]

Doesn't ebay have gpus in china? i use ebay all the time and could of sworn i seen a ton of them.

 

[Zubasa]

those seem like on par with the rest of the world
well im dissapointed
cant even get these products in the country of origin

China is also where two-thirds for the world's crypto mining took place.

$3137 USD will get you a zotac 3080 from JD. (direct, not 3rd party seller)

Meanwhile you can get a 6900XT Red Devil for much less than that on Tmall. Directly from Powercolor.
https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?s...158162819&ns=1&abbucket=8&skuId=4742729974064

The Asus Reference card is cheaper but you have to swallow a 850W PSU along with it.

 

[Bill_Bright]

The GPU manufacturers need to give back to the community imo after such a debacle.

Huh? The GPU (graphics processor unit) manufacturers are NVIDIA and AMD. You are suggesting these shortages are their fault. No way. It is all about supply and demand. Also, NVIDIA and AMD are adversarial competitors. They are NOT in cahoots to jack up the prices in some monopolistic manner.

Graphics card makers are in cut-throat competition with each other too. MSI can't jack up their prices because they know users (and the big factory makers) will just buy from ASUS then.

The fact of the matter is, one of the biggest reasons for the various shortages of graphics related components is due to a much greater than expected demand for high-end graphics card. And that is due, in part, to performance increases of the newest cards being much better than expected (as reported here), as well as cryptocurrency mining operations. By operations, I mean organizations with deep pockets buying 10s, 100s, even 1000s at a time - as opposed to individuals looking to build or upgrade their one gaming rig. None of those reasons are the fault of GPU (or card) makers.

Then there's COVID.

Maybe it should be "gamers" who should give back to the community! Why? Because they are hogging these products for their "toys" and personal "entertainment", causing increased prices for students and other people who need these products so they can earn a living and support their families.

Scalpers exist because people are willing to pay their prices. So maybe people who buy from scalpers should pay extra taxes to help those students.

 

[Falkentyne]

GPU's are just as out of stock in China as everywhere else.
The only difference is you have other suppliers and variants that aren't available in North America (Galax, and many other lesser known OEM's, and many of the "Waifu" and "Hentai" edition cards). But those anime cards aren't mined, they're just scalped on Taobao

 

[Blue4130]

Another thing, even pre-crazy gpu times, prices are much higher than USA. I've been here a long time and have always had to pay more than in the west. (my last gpu was a ventus 2080 and it cost me $863 USD in December 2018)

 

[Krumix]

I'm a Chinese native. As you can see, there's no difference between Chinese market and other country/regions, the GPUs are badly in short. For example, the RX 6700 XT, which officially priced 3,699 CNY in China, only have a available number which you can count by your fingers on mainstream e-commerce platform (JD, Taobao etc.). And the price have already increased to 1.72x on one of China's main second-hand trade platforms Xian Yu(An Alibaba-based platform). The previous generation GPUs based on Turing, Pascal, RDNA 1.0, even GCN 4.0 architectures witnessed a price rise by 1.5x.
As we know that China is the main assembler of GPUs, but a GPU can't be itself without a chip, along with CHIP SHORTAGE in almost all fields, what producers can do is limited.

 

[JinuIslife8]

I wish scalping and mining would be illegal not because of the shortages they're causing without thinking twice. It's because it's bringing sadness to a lot of people who truly want to build gaming pc and building pc. Either way, it's already around the world friend it's very unlikely for you to find a GPU under or even in MSRP its near impossible and out of all people using bots and auto buyers its either that one person or group that's buying GPU and selling them under or in MSRP.