Lenovo L340 i5 9300hf Laptop POWER error on pl1

[Ekmek]

Hello! im getting POWER error here is the video :

of my throttle stop bench test.
normally my cpu's core freq's was at 4.1 4.1 4.0 4.0 but due to prochot problems (probably because of thermal paste and dust i'll send to service soon) i lowered these cores to 3.4ghz
but im keep getting that power error which is on pl1. I tried to fix it by incrasing my pl1 to 50 from 45 but it didnt help
here is the log file
i visited too many forums and i saw unclewebb in every forums so i want to send my respects
i just want to play osu! while my discord is open but man even if i play osu! which is very old and probably has one of the lowest system req's game im getting prochot so if u guys have recommends about my throttle stop settings pls share with me
this is my first forum so if i done some mistakes im sorry!

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[unclewebb]

In the Options window set PROCHOT Offset to 2. This will increase the thermal throttling temperature and give your computer a little more headroom before it starts thermal throttling. The Intel default for this setting is 0 but some laptops will do a thermal shut down if you set this to 0. Setting this to 2 or 3 should be safe.

Have a look for a YouTube disassembly video for your laptop model. Some laptops have a simple back panel that you can easily remove. Just blowing out the dust might help solve your problem. Replacing the thermal paste is not always necessary. If blowing out the dust bunnies does not solve the problem then you will have to replace the thermal paste too.

In the TPL window check the MMIO Lock box near the top right of that screen.

im getting prochot

Your log file does not show that. The log file shows lots of PL1 power limit throttling at about 20W. Checking the MMIO Lock box might help fix that problem.

 

[Ekmek]

In the Options window set PROCHOT Offset to 2. This will increase the thermal throttling temperature and give your computer a little more headroom before it starts thermal throttling. The Intel default for this setting is 0 but some laptops will do a thermal shut down if you set this to 0. Setting this to 2 or 3 should be safe.

Have a look for a YouTube disassembly video for your laptop model. Some laptops have a simple back panel that you can easily remove. Just blowing out the dust might help solve your problem. Replacing the thermal paste is not always necessary. If blowing out the dust bunnies does not solve the problem then you will have to replace the thermal paste too.

In the TPL window check the MMIO Lock box near the top right of that screen.


Your log file does not show that. The log file shows lots of PL1 power limit throttling at about 20W. Checking the MMIO Lock box might help fix that problem.

i checked mmio box this time when i reach prochot the was still playable but i got 4x more input lag due to fps decrase Imgur: The magic of the Internet
edit : sorry i didnt saw your comment completely now ill try with that prochot offset too
edit 2: what is your pfp symbolises (46degree cpu) why 46?

In the Options window set PROCHOT Offset to 2. This will increase the thermal throttling temperature and give your computer a little more headroom before it starts thermal throttling. The Intel default for this setting is 0 but some laptops will do a thermal shut down if you set this to 0. Setting this to 2 or 3 should be safe.

Have a look for a YouTube disassembly video for your laptop model. Some laptops have a simple back panel that you can easily remove. Just blowing out the dust might help solve your problem. Replacing the thermal paste is not always necessary. If blowing out the dust bunnies does not solve the problem then you will have to replace the thermal paste too.

In the TPL window check the MMIO Lock box near the top right of that screen.


Your log file does not show that. The log file shows lots of PL1 power limit throttling at about 20W. Checking the MMIO Lock box might help fix that problem.

i got the prochot at 95c it was showing prochot at 97 but probably my bios locked it

okay thanks i found a video for my laptop thanks for all!!

 

[unclewebb]

You have BD PROCHOT throttling now. Clear the BD PROCHOT box on the main screen.

PROCHOT throttling and BD PROCHOT are two different things.

Do not check the More Data box when logging data. That is "too much information".

 

[Ekmek]

You have BD PROCHOT throttling now. Clear the BD PROCHOT box on the main screen.

Even if I don't check the box, I can't get as much fps as before. i normally clear it when i cant wait like 5 minutes but my performance still lowers

 

[unclewebb]

Post a new log file with BD PROCHOT clear and MMIO Lock checked. It might be power limit throttling. Some computers use an embedded controller to force low power limits. ThrottleStop cannot fix that problem.

what is your pfp symbolises (46degree cpu) why 46?

Can you explain that in English?

Your CPU is reaching 95C at only 25W. Time for a cleaning.

 

[Ekmek]

Post a new log file with BD PROCHOT clear and MMIO Lock checked. It might be power limit throttling.


Can you explain that in English?

i mean you have profile photo that a heat meter shows cpu is 46 celsius what does that mean ? are you trying to mean something like 46 celsius is my life point or like every cpu should run at 46 celsius or something not so important im just curious

You have BD PROCHOT throttling now. Clear the BD PROCHOT box on the main screen.

PROCHOT throttling and BD PROCHOT are two different things.

Do not check the More Data box when logging data. That is "too much information".

ooooh so prochot and bd prochot is different thing oh god im so sorry i got it now thank you i will send a new log file tomorrow without bd prochot box and without more data box too im too sleepy now thanks

 

[unclewebb]

Before ThrottleStop I wrote a program called RealTemp for measuring CPU temperatures. I used to point that IR thermometer at the top of desktop CPUs. Not sure why! It is not a good idea to run CPUs with no heatsink but it was in the name of science.

46°C was just some random temperature number that I liked.

 

[Ekmek]

In the Options window set PROCHOT Offset to 2. This will increase the thermal throttling temperature and give your computer a little more headroom before it starts thermal throttling. The Intel default for this setting is 0 but some laptops will do a thermal shut down if you set this to 0. Setting this to 2 or 3 should be safe.

Have a look for a YouTube disassembly video for your laptop model. Some laptops have a simple back panel that you can easily remove. Just blowing out the dust might help solve your problem. Replacing the thermal paste is not always necessary. If blowing out the dust bunnies does not solve the problem then you will have to replace the thermal paste too.

In the TPL window check the MMIO Lock box near the top right of that screen.


Your log file does not show that. The log file shows lots of PL1 power limit throttling at about 20W. Checking the MMIO Lock box might help fix that problem.

i cleaned my laptop no lie It was difficult to open the cover that I was going to remove after removing the screws. Now my fans are roaring and know what? my cpu's idle degree is 46 like your profile photo
i made a 960M ts bench with 4.1 4.1 4.0 4.0 (laptop defaulth) with zero offset but i got POWER so i made cpu core and cpu cache -105 offset and system agent -40 offset and set frequencies 4.0 4.0 4.0 4.0 ts bench was clear i didnt get any power warnings!! Thanks again

Is there anything else you would like to suggest about these offsets and i heard that the system agent is very sensitive and because of the reason that my cpu is 9300hf that f there means no intel gpu i cant undervolt these right
sorry for my unbalanced english (my some sentences good but some of them bad too )

 

[unclewebb]

i cleaned my laptop

Did you replace the thermal paste or did you just blow out the dust? A simple cleaning can make a big difference. Some people buy a new laptop. It costs less money to clean a laptop inside than to buy a new one.

The Intel GPU is still physically present on F series CPUs. Intel has disabled the Intel GPU so you cannot use it but it is still there. Undervolting it might still be possible but because it is never being used, there might not be any significant difference in overall power consumption. If you want to play around with this, go ahead. Undervolt the Intel GPU and iGPU equally and see what happens. I have never owned an F series processor so I have never done any Intel GPU offset voltage testing.

I have always left the System Agent at +0.0000. I am not sure how much you can undervolt this or if there will be any difference in power consumption. I think the two most important things to undervolt are the core and the cache. The offset values do not have to be set equal to each other.

Do some Cinebench testing. Some users get better results by setting the core to a bigger offset number compared to the cache. If the cache is stable at -105 mV, run a baseline Cinebench test with the core also at -105 mV. Run another test with the cache at -105 mV and set the core to -150 mV or -175 mV or -200 mV. Some users with 8th and 9th Gen mobile CPUs used to see an improvement in temperatures or an improvement in performance by using different offset voltage values. This seems to trick the CPU into using less voltage when running AVX instructions. Cinebench uses a high percentage of AVX instructions so this was always a good test when using different offset voltages.

If you do some testing and see some improvement or if you see no improvement, post your results here.

 

[Ekmek]

Did you replace the thermal paste or did you just blow out the dust? A simple cleaning can make a big difference. Some people buy a new laptop. It costs less money to clean a laptop inside than to buy a new one.

The Intel GPU is still physically present on F series CPUs. Intel has disabled the Intel GPU so you cannot use it but it is still there. Undervolting it might still be possible but because it is never being used, there might not be any significant difference in overall power consumption. If you want to play around with this, go ahead. Undervolt the Intel GPU and iGPU equally and see what happens. I have never owned an F series processor so I have never done any Intel GPU offset voltage testing.

I have always left the System Agent at +0.0000. I am not sure how much you can undervolt this or if there will be any difference in power consumption. I think the two most important things to undervolt are the core and the cache. The offset values do not have to be set equal to each other.

Do some Cinebench testing. Some users get better results by setting the core to a bigger offset number compared to the cache. If the cache is stable at -105 mV, run a baseline Cinebench test with the core also at -105 mV. Run another test with the cache at -105 mV and set the core to -150 mV or -175 mV or -200 mV. Some users with 8th and 9th Gen mobile CPUs used to see an improvement in temperatures or an improvement in performance by using different offset voltage values. This seems to trick the CPU into using less voltage when running AVX instructions. Cinebench uses a high percentage of AVX instructions so this was always a good test when using different offset voltages.

If you do some testing and see some improvement or if you see no improvement, post your results here.

i just blow the dust there was very much of dust and i got my old and good performance back and yea i undervolted igpu's but nothing changed same on system agent its slightly affect but its unnecessary so i will keep it at 0 too for safety and now im running cinebench for you ill post another reply cya
edit: im getting that power error at cinebench then my cpu frequency lowers to 3600's from 3900's it wouldnt be healthy to do test with that error right

 

[unclewebb]

If your temperatures are OK, try increasing the PL1 turbo power limit. If the MSR power limits are locked, you will need to clear the Power Limit Controls Lock box before rebooting.

Some computers will allow you to go beyond the default 45W while some computers are locked down so you will get power limit throttling at 45W during a Cinebench test. Some power limit throttling will not hurt anything but it might be difficult to get repeatable results when testing. Maybe undervolting the core some more will allow your CPU to run faster with less power limit throttling.

 

[Ekmek]

how will i know if my msr power limits are locked or not? and what about clearing the clamp box (pl1) so it will decide how much energy it needs but that might be riskful right? and what the lock button does at power limit controls is it locks clamp buttons so computer wont change the settings itself
i incrased pl1 to 50 from 45 Imgur: The magic of the Internet did you mean that settings? correct me if im wrong please

 

[unclewebb]

so computer wont change the settings itself

Does your computer actually have this problem or did you just lock this just in case? Most computers do not randomly change the MSR power limits. They are more likely to change the MMIO power limits which is why I always recommend that you check the MMIO Lock box.

After you check the Lock box in the Power Limit Controls section, the only way to unlock the MSR PL1 power limit is to clear that box, reboot, and hope that the two lock icons on the left hand side go away.

The way things are now, you can request changing the PL1 power limit to 50W in the Power Limit Controls section but the CPU is going to ignore this request because the power limit register is locked. You can see in the Turbo Power Limits section at the top that the CPU is still sitting at 45W. The Turbo Power Limits window shows the two power limits that the CPU is currently set to.

might be riskful right

Nothing you do is going to hurt anything. Intel CPUs are very well built. This technology is engineered to run reliably at way higher power levels than you are ever going to use in a laptop. No worries.

If you do not feel comfortable with any suggestions you read about in a forum then do not do it.

 

[Ekmek]

i completely trust you you are here since 2008 aaaand lock icons are gone

here is the default of my computers tpl

thank you now i understand tpl better

 

[unclewebb]

you are here since 2008

Just because I am old does not mean that I know what I am doing.

I guess the test now is that when you lock the MMIO power limits and you set the MSR PL1 power limit to 50W, do you still get any power limit throttling? If you do still get power limit throttling, is this happening at 45W or does it happen at 50W like you have requested?

Many laptops use an embedded controller (EC) to control the power limits. If the EC decides that 45W is max then long term, your computer will still power limit throttle at 45W. Run something consistent like Cinebench and watch the CPU speed and watch the PKG Power consumption data on the main screen when testing.

 

[Ekmek]

im not power limit throttling but this time i had a heat problem in game i wasnt had that problem at ts bench about ec looks like mine laptop has not ec i will run some cinebench tests tomorrow i will share them here

 

[Ekmek]

Hey uncle!! i just found my old laptop and i formatted it with a fresh windows 10 its compeletly works fine it has just have ram issue (4gb ram idle usage : 1,8gb still not that bad actually) it has i3-6006U(it has igpu too which is hd graphics 520) i had a ts bench test and it reached to 53 degree with 7.8W max but in tpl window the defaults of that laptop is pl1 is 15 and pl2 is 18 pl2 time is 28 as well ( i didnt even cleaned the dust and i think inside of that laptop is dirty ) would you recommend something? like what about not undervolting but up volting would it increase the performance? (i will clear the dust too) ( processor has no turbos just 2ghz) and i cant change frequency its not allowing me to do it!

 

[unclewebb]

up volting

Adding extra voltage will make a CPU run hotter, not faster. If your 6006U can run at full speed with zero throttling then that is as good as it gets.

i cant change frequency

If Speed Shift is enabled you can lower the Speed Shift Max value to slow the CPU down. It is a low end locked processor so you cannot overclock it.

In older CPUs the turbo power limits are used to control the turbo boost feature which your CPU does not have.