Moore Threads Claims 120% Gaming Performance Improvement for MTT S Series GPUs

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Moore Threads has released version 290.100 of its MTT S Series Windows desktop driver; today's freshly published patch notes describe "performance and experience optimizations" for multiple modern games titles. Press coverage of the Chinese graphics card manufacturer's hardware portfolio has concentrated mostly on deficiencies, relative to Western offerings. Despite being the first desktop gaming graphics card to arrive with a PCI Express Gen 5 bus interface, Moore Threads' MTT S80 model has consistently struggled to keep up with mainstream competition. Most notably, their current 200 W TDP-rated flagship—packing 4096 "MUSA" cores—trailed behind AMD Radeon iGPUs, according to March 2024 benchmarks.

The latest Moore Threads driver improvements were tested out internally, prior to public release. Patch notes claim that Infinity Nikki (DirectX 12-only) average frame rates "increased by more than 40%." Another DX12 title was benched—Hideo Kojima's Death Stranding: "average frame rate has increased by more than 50%." The largest upgrade was observed when playing A Plague Tale: Requiem; the MTT engineering team claims that average in-game frame rates climbed by more than 120%. We hope that independent outlets will publish results based on their own testing methodologies, in the near future. Going back to September 2023, Moore Threads boasted about driver update 230.40.0.1 producing a 40% gaming performance uplift for MTT S80 and S70 cards. Outside the gaming sphere, Moore Threads has hinted about its MTT S80 GPU being a high achiever with DeepSeek's R1-Distill-Qwen-7B distilled model.



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[john_]

Going from 1 FPS to 2 FPS is 100% improvement.

 

[AnotherReader]

The Ryzen 7 8700G's IGP was 91% faster than the S80 when Computerbase tested it in March of 2024. Considering the S80's resources, even a 100% increase won't be enough to beat a low end dGPU such as the 6500 XT.

 

[windwhirl]

Gotta start somewhere I guess

 

[Daven]

Best of luck to all these CPU and GPU startups. The day we no longer need Nvidia and Intel is the day we can just use the technology without all the shady drama.

 

[bonehead123]

Going from 1 FPS to 2 FPS is 100% improvement.

And 100% improvement over nothin, or near nothin, is STILL nothin

 

[mechtech]

A question

So with everyone is well aware of IP, patents etc.

I guess my question is if big corps use AI to develop stuff how is that going to affect patents and IP??

 

[soulphie]

people can clown on MTT all they want but if you want competition then that competition has to start somewhere.

 

[Crackong]

120% improvement on a PoS is stilll a PoS

 

[windwhirl]

A question

So with everyone is well aware of IP, patents etc.

I guess my question is if big corps use AI to develop stuff how is that going to affect patents and IP??

Question for a lawyer, which I am not, but my guess is that they will just not say or the current AI usage doesn't really do anything that'd be patentable otherwise

 

[kondamin]

A question

So with everyone is well aware of IP, patents etc.

I guess my question is if big corps use AI to develop stuff how is that going to affect patents and IP??

as it’s going now I think global relations are going to deteriorate so much that blocks will stop caring about patents held by players in other blocks and that it’s going to be a big free for all for a while.

 

[evernessince]

A question

So with everyone is well aware of IP, patents etc.

I guess my question is if big corps use AI to develop stuff how is that going to affect patents and IP??

In general the same requirements that apply to people also applies to AI created things. It has to be unique and distinguishable enough in order to patent.

The additional consideration is that the end user has to put enough of their own input into the AI so that the end result is not merely just a product of the AI. In other words, if you want to be able to monetize something you have to use AI like a tool and not just a free content generator.

Unfortunately we are seeing a lot of AI being used for the latter. COD Zombie promos with the classic six fingers for example.

 

[Rover4444]

Woah, nice. Good 7B performance isn't something worth flexing though, even CPUs have usable speeds.

A question

So with everyone is well aware of IP, patents etc.

I guess my question is if big corps use AI to develop stuff how is that going to affect patents and IP??

As I understand it anything generated by AI isn't actually patentable or copyrightable.

 

[eidairaman1]

people can clown on MTT all they want but if you want competition then that competition has to start somewhere.

Any so you give them a pass because?

 

[ZoneDymo]

Godspeed MMT, I'm rooting for you.
Wonder if they cant hire some ex personeel from Nvidia/AMD/Intel to help out, but they probably already are

 

[AusWolf]

people can clown on MTT all they want but if you want competition then that competition has to start somewhere.

Did / Would you buy one?

 

[Dristun]

Any so you give them a pass because?

Why not give them a pass? It's not like anyone is endorsing the product and actively trying to convince people to buy it. If chinese investors or even CCP itself can bankroll a meaningful competitor in GPU space, that's fine.

 

[AusWolf]

Why not give them a pass? It's not like anyone is endorsing the product and actively trying to convince people to buy it. If chinese investors or even CCP itself can bankroll a meaningful competitor in GPU space, that's fine.

So you'd buy one if you could?

 

[Dristun]

So you'd buy one if you could?

No. But you're trying to tie the entire existence and continuing attempts of a company to create something good to everyone's immediate endorsement of the crap they're selling today - these are different parts of the discussion. So they get a pass for their attempts.

 

[AusWolf]

No.

That's it then. It's not a pass.

I actually bought a 6500 XT that everybody hated when it came out, and gave it a pass based on experience. Put your money where your words are.

But you're trying to tie the entire existence and continuing attempts of a company to create something good to everyone's immediate endorsement of the crap they're selling today - these are different parts of the discussion. So they get a pass for their attempts.

You wouldn't buy one. I wouldn't buy one. Nobody would ever buy one (at least not outside of China). So how is it any better than "everyone's crap that they're selling today"?

Edit: If I had to choose between a turd and a $200 steak, I'd choose the steak. It's overpriced, totally not worth it, but at least it's edible.

 

[Dristun]

That's it then. It's not a pass.

I actually bought a 6500 XT that everybody hated when it came out, and gave it a pass based on experience. Put your money where your words are.


You wouldn't buy one. I wouldn't buy one. Nobody would ever buy one (at least not outside of China). So how is it any better than "everyone's crap that they're selling today"?

Edit: If I had to choose between a turd and a $200 steak, I'd choose the steak. It's overpriced, totally not worth it, but at least it's edible.

It seems like you're wilfully ignoring what's being said or simply incensed by a mere suggestion that their efforts might be worth it sometime down the line. Nobody's asking you or anyone else to buy one today or to pick it instead of any other videocard. And please point exactly where I said that their card is better than something else.
But it's cool that they're still at it, because the only way they can get to a point where their product is capable of competing is to keep at it and work.

 

[AusWolf]

It seems like you're wilfully ignoring what's being said or simply incensed by a mere suggestion that their efforts might be worth it sometime down the line. Nobody's asking you or anyone else to buy one today or to pick it instead of any other videocard. And please point exactly where I said that their card is better than something else.
But it's cool that they're still at it, because the only way they can get to a point where their product is capable of competing is to keep at it and work.

And how are they gonna get there with turds like the S80 that no human being on this planet is going to buy? How much loss can they incur before they make something worth buying?

 

[soulphie]

Did / Would you buy one

No i would always advise people not to buy anything they dont need

Any so you give them a pass because?

What is there to even give them a pass on?