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[50IsTheNewGamer]

I would tend more towards cheaper than expensive?

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[pavle]

The cheaper option looks just fine to me, 1/6 cheaper and it's still expensive.

 

[AVATARAT]

Just replace 9800x3D in the 9700x configuration.

 

[GerKNG]

why do you need a x870 or x870e board?

 

[PLAfiller]

Some of the "differences" seem to me like you are undecided on parts of your build. Like from 2 to 4TB SSD, this is a serious change. Do you need 2 or 4 tb or sapce?

Then the RAM has same frequency and latency, but one is with RGB and the other without. So do you really want RGB on the RAM or not?

Also what @GerKNG said. Mobo's features are choices, what do you want from this motherboard to have? Wifi you want, this I get. What about the rest? You can change the chipset if you don't need all the features.

 

[50IsTheNewGamer]

Some of the "differences" seem to me like you are undecided on parts of your build. Like from 2 to 4TB SSD, this is a serious change. Do you need 2 or 4 tb or sapce?

Then the RAM has same frequency and latency, but one is with RGB and the other without. So do you really want RGB on the RAM or not?

Also what @GerKNG said. Mobo's features are choices, what do you want from this motherboard to have? Wifi you want, this I get. What about the rest? You can change the chipset if you don't need all the features.

To be honest, I don't know which components to choose. The market isn't exactly clear. I really want a build that runs optimally, without RGB, that lets me play smoothly with good graphics without stuttering or graphical issues, and I want to spend as much money as necessary. To be honest, I went overboard with the build and included components that were way too expensive for me and that I didn't need.
That's how it seems to me. I always think that cheap can't be good, but I can't really afford expensive either. To be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing.

 

[PLAfiller]

Very humble and honest response. +1 from me I am not much of a know-how either, but here's a few ideas:

- storage - if there will be only one drive, 2TB isn't a lot for a gaming PC. Average size of bigger titles is easily ~60GB, so for 1 TB, that's 17 games at best. If you keep other stuff on this drive like, pictures, music, etc...then may be 4TB is a better capacity option
- RAM - well you decided -> no RGB, that'll save you some buck
- cooler - bequiet! are great, but you can get cheaper with Themralright and be just as happy

Others will chime in with more ideas, I am sure.

 

[Chomiq]

Very humble and honest response. +1 from me I am not much of a know-how either, but here's a few ideas:

- storage - if there will be only one drive, 2TB isn't a lot for a gaming PC. Average size of bigger titles is easily ~60GB, so for 1 TB, that's 17 games at best. If you keep other stuff on this drive like, pictures, music, etc...then may be 4TB is a better capacity option
- RAM - well you decided -> no RGB, that'll save you some buck
- cooler - bequiet! are great, but you can get cheaper with Themralright and be just as happy

Others will chime in with more ideas, I am sure.

PA120 SE will be fine and if OP wants they can always swap stock fans on it to BeQuiet Pure Wings 3 120 HS to have lower noise and higher max RPMs.

Case wise I'd suggest Lancool 207, as it has one of the best thermals for GPUs on the market and can be found under €100 in Germany.

Motherboard choice - I'd listen to @GerKNG and really ask yourself what sort of features do you need from the motherboard.

 

[50IsTheNewGamer]

PA120 SE will be fine and if OP wants they can always swap stock fans on it to BeQuiet Pure Wings 3 120 HS to have lower noise and higher max RPMs.

Case wise I'd suggest Lancool 207, as it has one of the best thermals for GPUs on the market and can be found under €100 in Germany.

Motherboard choice - I'd listen to @GerKNG and really ask yourself what sort of features do you need from the motherboard.

Which graphics card would be the better choice, RTX5070Ti or RX9070XT?

 

[docnorth]

The first list is obviously more balanced. Some comments:
1)175€ price difference for the 9800x3d is a lot, but it's faster if you play at 1080 or even 1440p and you may keep it longer.
2)Like already mentioned, the x870 tomahawk is more than enough.
3)With 120€ for 6000 cl30 RAM you could buy G. Skill (with slightly worse sub-timings), not Teamgroup. Patriot with the same sub-timings as your choice should be cheaper. No big deal though.
4)4TB SSD makes sense if you want to store your games on the same disk with your OS.
5)I don't think you need the bigger PSU if you choose the 9800x3d. Ok it's power hungry compared to 7800x3d, but still relatively efficient. Again no big deal.

At the end, you know the cult movie phrase about opinions, the decision is yours

 

[Chomiq]

The first list is obviously more balanced. Some comments:
1)175€ price difference for the 9800x3d is a lot, but it's faster if you play at 1080 or even 1440p and you may keep it longer.
2)Like already mentioned, the x870 tomahawk is more than enough.
3)With 120€ for 6000 cl30 RAM you could buy G. Skill (with slightly worse sub-timings), not Teamgroup. Patriot with the same sub-timings as your choice should be cheaper. No big deal though.
4)4TB SSD makes sense if you want to store your games on the same disk with your OS.
5)I don't think you need the bigger PSU if you choose the 9800x3d. Ok it's power hungry compared to 7800x3d, but still relatively efficient. Again no big deal.

At the end, you know the cult movie phrase about opinions, the decision is yours

The only thing I don't like about X870 Tomahawk are the lime accents. Otherwise it seems like decent board, from a review at ithardware.pl:

MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI - Pros

- PCIe 5.0 for the graphics card and two NVMe drives
- Four M.2 slots without GPU lane cutoff and fast USB4 ports (40 Gb/s)
- Good integrated audio
- Two network cards (LAN 5 Gb/s and Wi-Fi 7)
- Good real-world test results
- High RAM overclocking capabilities
- Very strong power supply with well-functioning LLC (low temperatures and good OC)
- Elegant motherboard design without LED backlighting
- Decent factory hardware, including: with a USB flash drive with drivers
- Well-refined BIOS and the ability to flash firmware without a CPU or RAM installed
- Angled USB 3.2 Gen 1 and USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 (Type-C) headers
- PWM/DC for all fan connectors and a flawless semi-passive mode
- POST code display, physical buttons, and add-ons for tool-free operation

MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI - Cons

- Significantly limited audio connectors
- One M.2 connector with only two PCIe lanes
- Four SATA ports may not be enough for some
- Quite a long startup time
- All SATA ports connected to a single external controller

 

[50IsTheNewGamer]

Das Einzige, was mir am X870 Tomahawk nicht gefällt, sind die limettengrünen Akzente. Ansonsten wirkt es wie ein ordentliches Board, wie aus einem Testbericht auf ithardware.pl hervorgeht:

But which graphics card should I get, rtx5070ti or rx9070xt, I can't decide?

 

[_roman_]

Mainboard and Case seems to be a lot of money waste.
Presonally I'd take a better airflow case, proper thermal paste and some extra case fans (e.g. cheap 5 pack of arctic p12 or p14 ... or similar offers // afaik 5 x p12 fans ~35€ ...). Or when it has to be a fishtank case with bad cooling most of the time something cheaper.

I do not see any extra case fans or proper thermal paste in the two choose options of post #1

I'm not interested in nvidia cards. I do not know if a better nvidia card and a cheaper ryzen processor is not the better choice.
Personally I'd take cheaper 2x32GiB DRAM before buying 2x16Gib kit and an expensive pcie 4 nvme.
the topic poster may check before those DRAM test articles. Quite often cheaper DRAM but bigger modules make more sense. I forgot there are also 24Gib modules these days.

The budget may be used more wisely.

 

[Shou Miko]

If @50IsTheNewGamer wants to pay let him but I would like to hear why the X870 chipset and not just a B850 chipset.

I would go one of these 2 builds out from the case, psu and 4TB SN850X NVME still cheaper.
AMD RX 9070 XT variant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/JKP9HW
RTX 5070 Ti variant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/TryQQd

Just be aware that Gigabyte uses thermal putty not thermal pads: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...inues-heres-the-thermal-putty-creep-in-action

Again this is just my take, and I own a Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 Pure and I enjoy it and love it never regretted buying it for my 1440p gaming.

 

[50IsTheNewGamer]

If @50IsTheNewGamer wants to pay let him but I would like to hear why the X870 chipset and not just a B850 chipset.

I would go one of these 2 builds out from the case, psu and 4TB SN850X NVME still cheaper.
AMD RX 9070 XT variant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/JKP9HW
RTX 5070 Ti variant: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/TryQQd

Just be aware that Gigabyte uses thermal putty not thermal pads: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...inues-heres-the-thermal-putty-creep-in-action

Again this is just my take, and I own a Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 Pure and I enjoy it and love it never regretted buying it for my 1440p gaming.

I simply chose the x870, not because I know much about it, I thought it would be a bit more expensive so I wouldn't have to buy a new one in the future.

 

[Chomiq]

But which graphics card should I get, rtx5070ti or rx9070xt, I can't decide?

What games you play? What resolution will you be using? What refresh rate?

 

[50IsTheNewGamer]

What games you play? What resolution will you be using? What refresh rate?

I really enjoy first-person shooters, role-playing games, Soulslike, AAA titles, and open-world games. I don't have a monitor; I play on my LG C1 TV, which has 4K resolution and a 120Hz refresh rate.

I'll get a monitor later.

 

[Waldorf]

i dont mind spending a little more to get more (i have 6 M.2 slots), but unless you know "why" you want anything above 550/6xx, its a waste.
same for case (ytou can get much better no matter if quality or cooling, for same/less.

not sure why ppl here still recommend the heavily binned Gskill stuff, Patriot is usually cheaper, and still can have decent (tunable) dies.

for gpu, maybe spend the money saved on a 5080/5070S Ti, but definitely different brand.

a little bit over 2K, but incl 9800X3D.

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[gwync]

As someone who understands wanting the nice hardware just to have the nice hardware, ehh. Id just take the 9800x3d build and put the 9700x on there with the rm850x
The fancy looks, but a bit cheaper, for a more reasonable config anyway.

The strategy of getting a nice motherboard with expectation to not need to upgrade the board really just depends on where AMD wants to go with the socket. But i absolutely get it, there were people who bought X370 boards for the same reason, because they ended up putting a 5800x on it down the line or something and they could handle it when all the B350 boards were questionable at best.
That also makes sense to do starting with a lower tier of cpu rather than the 9800x3d, i cant imagine needing to upgrade that cpu for a longgggg time, but the 9700x maybe if you end up needing more cores would probably be lined up for an upgrade at some point.

 

[Waldorf]

going 9700 on something you gonna keep is a waste, and makes not much sense for a gaming rig.
you wont get enough money back selling it by the time you want to upgrade, ignoring another 9xxx would only be a sidegrade anyway,
and even the 9950 would only make sense if you also do non-gaming stuff, and 9950X3D is gonna be really expensive.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

But which graphics card should I get, rtx5070ti or rx9070xt, I can't decide?

I would avoid gigabyte on the 5070ti but at the price difference I am seeing the 9070XT is likely the better buy.

The 5070ti has better upscaling but it's close enough I would call it a draw at 4k the only issue is AMD seems to be having issue getting FSR4 into games. FSR3 and older is trash.

Your best bet is to look at reviews and then decide most people are going to answer based on their own biases towards one company or the other.

AMD FSR 4 vs Nvidia DLSS 4 at 4K

After proving its mettle at 1440p, FSR 4 challenges Nvidia's DLSS 4 at 4K. In this deep dive, we test both upscalers on high-res scenes to see...

www.techspot.com

At the end of the day they are two very similar GPUs I would say the 5070ti is slightly better but probably not 150+ better. That being said I wouldn't spend a dime more than I had to on either.

At this price difference I could make a case for either.

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[Nhonho]

OP: get 2x 32 GB DDR5 6000 CL 30 to 36.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I would tend more towards cheaper than expensive?

Then why go for 850 and 1000W PSUs? Your lessor build could easily get by with a quality 650W supply and still have plenty of wiggle room. And the more demanding build would be equally fine with a quality 750W supply.

 

[Waldorf]

lol.
unless you can name any games op is playing that need more than 32gb, the money can go towards bigger cpu/gpu, which will be more of a bottleneck than 32gb ram.

 

[AVATARAT]

lol.
unless you can name any games op is playing that need more than 32gb, the money can go towards bigger cpu/gpu, which will be more of a bottleneck than 32gb ram.

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