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No offense, here are some things that bother me about your understanding of fans.

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When people talk about fans, they always talk about the extremes. Which is quietest, which moves the most air, which has the highest pressure. etc. This is because people have misconceptions about fan designs that don't coincide with reality.

First and foremost you must understand that any given fan shape, size, thickness, will have a single speed at which it is most efficient.

It might be 892 RPM or it might be 2,446 RPM.

Efficiency means that a fan is producing the most airflow relative to its noise and power draw.

Now, the surprising thing about efficiency is that it means there are no fans that are better than others in a general sense.

Some fans are more efficient at lower RPM, some better at higher RPM, some better somewhere in between.

The physics of fans basically means that yes, they will almost always push more air the faster they are spun until the air behind the fan cavitates.

But, there will be a huge drop off in efficiency for most fans the faster they are spun.

The sad reality is that 99% of reviews that I see always look at the maximum performance and not the maximum efficiency.

Most home computer builders really want efficiency over performance because they value their hearing or being able to hear something other than the humongous whine of fans spinning at 5,000 RPM.

Since sound is additive it becomes louder when sound sources are added. However, it's not that simple to calculate. The basic rule is that if the sound is coherent the increase is an exact doubling (6db) and if it is incoherent it is 3db.

Since fans can as much as double their volume each time a fan is added to the mix anything above 40db is going to be an annoyingly loud since most cases have 3-5 fans in them.

The simple way of understanding this is to find out the advertised loudness of your fan, say, it's 35db. Now, you need to multiply the number of fans by 3 as your minimum SPL increase. So, if you plan on having 5 - 35db fans that means you will be adding at least 15db to the starting loudness of 35db which equals 50db in total. But, its likely that certain frequencies will often be coherent so some frequencies may increase as much as 30db.

Anyway, it would be great if online reviewers would focus less on the maximums and more on the efficiency since that wil actually be the problem that most of us would like to have solved.

Thaaaaanks...
 
5x 35db would be 42db according to a calculator.

I have 12 fans in my computer. Sure doesn't sound like 100db.
Yeap, logarithmic ftw not additive lol.
 
I have zero understanding of fans, please be not bothered.
 
FWIW doubling the sound output raises the dB by 3, so:

1 fan 35 dB
2 fans 38 dB
4 fans 41 dB

8 fans would be 44dB so 5 gets you around 42 like ir_cow said.

Nothing quite like starting off about misconceptions and getting it completely wrong right outta the gate. Or troll? :confused:
 
My understanding of fans: fans must blow.
 
FWIW doubling the sound output raises the dB by 3, so:

1 fan 35 dB
2 fans 38 dB
4 fans 41 dB

8 fans would be 44dB so 5 gets you around 42 like ir_cow said.

Nothing quite like starting off about misconceptions and getting it completely wrong right outta the gate. Or troll? :confused:
First post FTL?
 
The more you buy... The more you save.

Having more fans = less noise. Why? Because having more fans remove the need for high RPM.
 
I was curious how this would turn out :D

:laugh:

I like fans, but you can only do so much with them. Quiet doesn't move much air, loud usually does.. so you find a happy medium.
 
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I dont like how you understand a fan bro. :(
I am using a tasteful blend of Thermalright and Asus fans right now.. to me its quiet at full speed, compared to my NF-A14 3K's.. their sound is monstrous.. like running a bunch of 120x38s haha.. They are by far the loudest fans that I own.. next to my 120x38s :laugh:

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I also approved this thread, that is why I said what I did :peace:
 
FWIW doubling the sound output raises the dB by 3, so:

1 fan 35 dB
2 fans 38 dB
4 fans 41 dB

8 fans would be 44dB so 5 gets you around 42 like ir_cow said.

Nothing quite like starting off about misconceptions and getting it completely wrong right outta the gate. Or troll? :confused:
SPL (sound pressure levels) doubles by 6db.

Here's another thing though... are sound sources additive...?

Go back to 1 sound source with the volume of 35 db, I know I have 35 db measured. If I add another sound source I now have 2 x 35 db which means in theory, I would measure 41db.

But if I have a 3rd source what do I have? Ok, this is where it gets weird and I get into something called sound networks.

Between those 3 devices there are 2 sound networks. There is the original sound, and the original plus 1 forming one network, and the original plus another forming another network. The two networks combined double each other which is why a) sound is additive, and b) the resultant sound in theory is 47db not 39.5db.
 
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Efficiency means that a fan is producing the most airflow relative to its noise and power draw.

The sad reality is that 99% of reviews that I see always look at the maximum performance and not the maximum efficiency.

Most home computer builders really want efficiency over performance because they value their hearing or being able to hear something other than the humongous whine of fans spinning at 5,000 RPM.

I think you are confounding efficiency with noise.

A noisy fan may be an efficient one; counter rotating propellers are an example.


Since sound is additive it becomes louder when sound sources are added.

I added more fans to my case in order to have less noise as the fans could then run slower for the same overall flow, my concern was more on noise than efficiency.
 
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My understanding of fans is "MOAR FANS GOOD."

But I keep my PC in a remote data closet and needless to say, don't go in there often. :laugh:
 
Not usually. There are always corner cases.

Here are the fan laws

  • Law 1: Flow ∝ Rotational-Speed
  • Law 2: Pressure ∝ Rotational-Speed^2
  • Law 3: Power ∝ Rotational-Speed^3
Therefore Power ∝ Flow^3

So, if I use 2 fans at half speed (to get the same overall flow) I need less overall power.

Now in reality slow fans are rather inefficient, but for computers efficiency is not really an issue, rather noise is.


There is the original sound, and the original plus 1

You are assuming the fans are not slowed down to achieve the same overall flow.

In practice many fans make less noise than one (for the same overall flow).
 
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There is the original sound, and the original plus 1

You are assuming the fans are not slowed down to achieve the same overall flow.

In practice many fans make less noise than one (for the same overall flow).
True, and I intentionally did not account for that. I only wanted to illustrate (in the most basic terms) how SPL works in sound networks.

I think you are confounding efficiency with noise.

A noisy fan may be an efficient one; counter rotating propellers are an example.
On second thought, I think I need to be mose specific.

Noise is power loss from most angles.

Vibration is always power loss.

Propulsion is the work done.

To maximize the work done while minimizing vibration and noise is the ultimate goal, thus, it is the ratio of noise + vibration to work that matters the most.

We all know we can get more work by increasing speed and thus noise.

That is intuitive.

The balance is where the real knowledge lies.
 
@Shrek this is why I have 2x 480mm radiators but only run the 8 fans at 800RPM. More surface area covered, lower speed is also quieter.
 
Go on youtube and look up Fan Showdown
 
My understanding of fans is "MOAR FANS GOOD."

But I keep my PC in a remote data closet and needless to say, don't go in there often. :laugh:
When I used to run a case and cpu without a heatsink. :)

The fan in the front isn't plugged into anything. It supplied its own current and the LEDs lit up. :)

DB... it was like, sitting next to the furnace. :)

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PC fans air moving efficiency is basically of no consequence for PCs

pc's are cheap and so are pc fans, I'd be more concerned with noise (cfm vs .rpm vs. db) and warranty. Even that is generalised though. Forced convection cooling is related to velocity, so whatever fan can get the best velocity at the lowest noise is good enough.

In underground mining when you have multiple 5000+hp fans consuming massive amounts of energy that's when efficiency gets looked at.
 
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