NVIDIA sued for stealing trade secrets

[evernessince]

I'm surprised this story hasn't been picked up by TechPowerUp:

NVIDIA sued for stealing trade secrets after screensharing blunder showed rival company's code

NVIDIA is facing a lawsuit filed by French automotive company Valeo after a screensharing blunder by one of its employees.

www.engadget.com

The TLDR is that Mohammad Moniruzzaman (a former Valeo) employee purportedly took source code to Nvidia from Valeo. Valeo found out when Moniruzzaman shared his screen when working on a project with Valeo on behalf of Nvidia where Valeo employees could see proprietary Valeo files on his computer. When his German apartment was raided the authorities found proprietary Valeo documentation and hardware.

Nvidia's defense council has stated that it has no interest in Valeo source code or trade secrets. Very questionable response IMO, given that Nvidia is in the automotive industry and would directly stand to benefit from them.

 

[thesmokingman]

This is unfortunately not surprising. It also checks boxes because Nvidia has been trying to become a player again in ADAS since the Tesla split.

 

[natr0n]

The way it's meant to be played...

 

[wNotyarD]

The way it's meant to be played...

The way it wasn't meant to be displayed.

 

[bonehead123]

Make what you can, steal/copy/reverse-engineer the rest....I'm sooooo shocked, I'm literally ROTFLMAO right now....

 

[natr0n]

The way it wasn't meant to be displayed.

Thats perfect actually. I bet it was on nvidia gpu maybe even.

 

[Frick]

I cannot imagine Nvidia being so dumb so as to so brazenly use a competitors stuff. It would be beyond stupid. But I'll guess we'll see what comes up. I nothing else this Moniruzzaman dude has burned all of the bridges leading off that island of his.

 

[Assimilator]

If NVIDIA has indeed profited from the theft of stolen IP, then it should pay.

 

[Kapone33]

I cannot imagine Nvidia being so dumb so as to so brazenly use a competitors stuff. It would be beyond stupid. But I'll guess we'll see what comes up. I nothing else this Moniruzzaman dude has burned all of the bridges leading off that island of his.

Once you believe in the narrative you created as a monopoly usually translates into hubris which can be mistaken for dumb but only by those that apply common sense to the equation. Think of it this way. USA announces that Nvidia cannot sell anymore 4090s to China. Then 2 things happen, Nvidia ramps up production and takes from other regions. The other thing is w raster? The other thing is a story on TPU that they are disassembling 4090s to make them more compliant to AI. Or is that to try level the playing field for the Russians? Those 2 things show that Nvidia has thrown common sense out the window for unabashed greed. I went to the PC store today (Black Friday) ans no one was buying GPUs. Montiors, CPUs, PSUs and Cases were the most thing I saw. When i went by the GPU section there was a 4080 on sale for $300 off at $1599. Thanks to them the days of getting a $500 GPU for $250 to play at the highest resolution is gone. There was a 6600 for $259 but that is too expensive for 8 GB when 12 is the minimum. I saw PS5s for $399 and shows just how out of touch GPU prices are. Even $700 for a 6800XT when a 7800XT is $649 is also an example.

 

[Frick]

Once you believe in the narrative you created as a monopoly usually translates into hubris which can be mistaken for dumb but only by those that apply common sense to the equation. Think of it this way. USA announces that Nvidia cannot sell anymore 4090s to China. Then 2 things happen, Nvidia ramps up production and takes from other regions. The other thing is w raster? The other thing is a story on TPU that they are disassembling 4090s to make them more compliant to AI. Or is that to try level the playing field for the Russians? Those 2 things show that Nvidia has thrown common sense out the window for unabashed greed. I went to the PC store today (Black Friday) ans no one was buying GPUs. Montiors, CPUs, PSUs and Cases were the most thing I saw. When i went by the GPU section there was a 4080 on sale for $300 off at $1599. Thanks to them the days of getting a $500 GPU for $250 to play at the highest resolution is gone. There was a 6600 for $259 but that is too expensive for 8 GB when 12 is the minimum. I saw PS5s for $399 and shows just how out of touch GPU prices are. Even $700 for a 6800XT when a 7800XT is $649 is also an example.

You don't get to be that big globally by playing silly buggers. Corporate espionage is a thing, but it's a serious thing. See the Uber guy who literally went to jail for similar things.

 

[Kapone33]

You don't get to be that big globally by playing silly buggers. Corporate espionage is a thing, but it's a serious thing. See the Uber guy who literally went to jail for similar things.

I am not talking about the journey but exactly where Nvidia are today. They have marketed to the point that they can do no wrong in the eyes of some. Did you not see TPU proud to announce that PNY would be their sponsor for GPUs for all of their tests systems. This is all while a 4090 is maybe 15% faster at raw raster vs a XTX when everything is weighed it is still $1100 more to purchase. That is obscene for a GPU that has the same amount of VRAM. Don't let me start on 12VhPWR or how they replaced the 3060 laptop with the 4050.

 

[Solaris17]

The other thing is a story on TPU that they are disassembling 4090s to make them more compliant to AI.

You mean the one posted today that literally had the title “

Special Chinese Factories are Dismantling NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Graphics Cards and Turning Them into AI-Friendly GPU Shape”​

with included picture and description on how they are pulling the memory and GPU die off so that they can more easily fit them into server chassis?

what are you smoking?

 

[Kapone33]

You mean the one posted today that literally had the title “

Special Chinese Factories are Dismantling NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Graphics Cards and Turning Them into AI-Friendly GPU Shape”​

with included picture and description on how they are pulling the memory and GPU die off so that they can more easily fit them into server chassis?

what are you smoking?

AI friendly shape could also mean to be connected to Artillery or Drone systems running on that server. Why is that so hard to believe?

 

[Assimilator]

Once you believe in the narrative you created as a monopoly usually translates into hubris which can be mistaken for dumb but only by those that apply common sense to the equation. Think of it this way. USA announces that Nvidia cannot sell anymore 4090s to China. Then 2 things happen, Nvidia ramps up production and takes from other regions. The other thing is w raster? The other thing is a story on TPU that they are disassembling 4090s to make them more compliant to AI. Or is that to try level the playing field for the Russians? Those 2 things show that Nvidia has thrown common sense out the window for unabashed greed. I went to the PC store today (Black Friday) ans no one was buying GPUs. Montiors, CPUs, PSUs and Cases were the most thing I saw. When i went by the GPU section there was a 4080 on sale for $300 off at $1599. Thanks to them the days of getting a $500 GPU for $250 to play at the highest resolution is gone. There was a 6600 for $259 but that is too expensive for 8 GB when 12 is the minimum. I saw PS5s for $399 and shows just how out of touch GPU prices are. Even $700 for a 6800XT when a 7800XT is $649 is also an example.

NVIDIA is not the one disassembling 4090s.

 

[Frick]

I am not talking about the journey but exactly where Nvidia are today. They have marketed to the point that they can do no wrong in the eyes of some. Did you not see TPU proud to announce that PNY would be their sponsor for GPUs for all of their tests systems. This is all while a 4090 is maybe 15% faster at raw raster vs a XTX when everything is weighed it is still $1100 more to purchase. That is obscene for a GPU that has the same amount of VRAM. Don't let me start on 12VhPWR or how they replaced the 3060 laptop with the 4050.

I have no idea what you're on about right now.

 

[Solaris17]

AI friendly shape could also mean to be connected to Artillery or Drone systems running on that server. Why is that so hard to believe?

I guess I just dont subscribe to conspiracy theories enough to use this level of mental gymnastics.

 

[Assimilator]

I guess I just dont subscribe to conspiracy theories enough to use this level of mental gymnastics.

I am convinced that a significant number of users on this forum are severely mentally ill and/or handicapped.

 

[Frick]

I am convinced that a significant number of users on this forum are severely mentally ill and/or handicapped.

Nah, they're just people, like you. Minds are fascinating. Also I'm just assuming you don't actually deal with a lot of people in your daily life.

 

[Kapone33]

AI friendly shape could also mean to be connected to Artillery or Drone systems running on that server. Why is that so hard to believe?

NVIDIA is not the one disassembling 4090s.

Do you think that I mean to blame Nvidia for disassembling the cards? No I blame them for pulling out all stops to sell the cards likely knowing exactly what they will be used for? It doesn't matter though as you can call me what you want but there is a reason the US announced that Women will be part of the draft going forward. If you think what started in Syria will end in Ulkraine you are mistaken and the truth about the Ukraine War is that technology is why the Ukraine has the advantage but now Nvidia has helped that group, do you realize that building 3 aircraft carriers is the least of China's Militray investment. Poland, Germany, South Korea and Japan have announced drastic increases in their Military spending for no reason other than for the sake of it?

 

[Totally]

NVIDIA is not the one disassembling 4090s.

NVIDIA involvement in this is pretty vague, at the very least they directly enabled this.

In anticipation of these restrictions, NVIDIA reportedly moved a substantial inventory of its AD102 GPUs and GeForce RTX 4090 graphics cards to China,

Now how much support NVIDIA is providing in the refit after getting the cards to their doorstep is unclear.

 

[A Computer Guy]

I am not talking about the journey but exactly where Nvidia are today. They have marketed to the point that they can do no wrong in the eyes of some. Did you not see TPU proud to announce that PNY would be their sponsor for GPUs for all of their tests systems. This is all while a 4090 is maybe 15% faster at raw raster vs a XTX when everything is weighed it is still $1100 more to purchase. That is obscene for a GPU that has the same amount of VRAM. Don't let me start on 12VhPWR or how they replaced the 3060 laptop with the 4050.

I don't understand how this impacts non-GPU testing or it's relevance to this thread?

 

[95Viper]

Stay on topic.
Stop the insults.
Discuss civilly.
If something is reportable... then report it.

 

[Kapone33]

I don't understand how this impacts non-GPU testing or it's relevance to this thread?

An example of why the propensity if high that this story is likely true.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Do you think that I mean to blame Nvidia for disassembling the cards? No I blame them for pulling out all stops to sell the cards likely knowing exactly what they will be used for?

Any multinational corp is going to find a way to skirt around the law for profit. It's disadvantageous for China to have to resolder boards but it won't stop them, just slow them down from whatever their goals are. AI is clearly going to military industrial applications, not just for China. Whomever AI is better in this regard is going to win the next war and this seems to be what everyone is banking on. Automotive pathing tech would be incredibly valuable in that space and weaponized would likely be used to manage and dispatch supply lines perhaps even battle groups. Will Valeo's lawsuit stand up against the pressures of the new AI war economy I guess we have to wait and see.

 

[thesmokingman]

I guess I just dont subscribe to conspiracy theories enough to use this level of mental gymnastics.

Huh? Wtf, it's not mental gymnastics because it's a fact. Are US chips are landing in Chinese, Iranian, and Russian drones for instance. One only need search to find many examples.

Explainer: American Parts in Iranian Drones

The majority of components in Iran’s drones—including microchips and GPS modules—were made in the United States, which is supporting Ukraine. The components, used for functions ranging from navigation to data processing, have been traced to two Iranian suicide drones—the Shahed-131 and...

iranprimer.usip.org