Old PC Vs new

[Deleted member 24505]

I built a old pc for using at my partner's.
I7 4790k
Asus Rog maximus VII Gene
2x8gb hyperX savage ddr3 2400
Msi Gtx 980ti gaming 6gb
512gb 2.5" SSD
WD blue 4tb HDD
Corsair TX 750 M
And honestly compared to my modern machine I can't really tell no difference. It does not seem slow, games run fine on the 1080 monitor at v high settings.
I5 9600k
Asus Rog x390
16gb DDR 4 3200
5700xt red devil
1tb + 2tb m2's
Rm850i
Makes me wonder why I spent so much to play games.
Plus side is, I paid £190 for the gtx980ti and they go for £250+ on eBay so I did well with that. The whole "old" machine has cost me £590

 

[64K]

Those original specs are fine for general gaming. We have been conditioned to want the latest and greatest hardware from marketers but if you look at what the average gamer is using then you see the real picture.

 

[Gungar]

The older parts are only 20% slower anyway, you can't compare new stuff vs old one, its obviously cheaper. And modern hardware is very fast, you don't need the latest and greatest like we used to.

 

[GerKNG]

well your "Upgrade" isn't really an upgrade.
one architecture up with a rather small IPC bump, and the GPU upgrade comes close to 1070 to 1080 ti.

 

[john_]

I built a old pc for using at my partner's.
I7 4790k
Asus Rog maximus VII Gene
2x8gb hyperX savage ddr3 2400
Msi Gtx 980ti gaming 6gb
512gb 2.5" SSD
WD blue 4tb HDD
Corsair TX 750 M
And honestly compared to my modern machine I can't really tell no difference. It does not seem slow, games run fine on the 1080 monitor at v high settings.
I5 9600k
Asus Rog x390
16gb DDR 4 3200
5700xt red devil
1tb + 2tb m2's
Rm850i
Makes me wonder why I spent so much to play games.
Plus side is, I paid £190 for the gtx980ti and they go for £250+ on eBay so I did well with that. The whole "old" machine has cost me £590

You didn't upgraded, you just replaced older parts with newer, somewhat faster.
From 4 cores/8 threads you gone to 6 cores/6 threads. You should have looked at an 8 cores/8threads CPU as a minimum.
From 16GB to 16GB, while faster, don't expect much from going to faster RAM, low single digit difference
From a SATA SSD to M2 SSDs, where you will only notice some seconds difference while loading your games, in case the M.2 SSDs are not too fast for that i5.
And from a 980 Ti to a 5700XT that will show you a 50%(based on TechpowerUp database) difference, I guess in higher resolutions and newer games, not at 1080p and games that 980Ti probably had no problem to play.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Well the thing is that most so called old "PC's" are still great for playing in 1080p/60Hz/60Fps...heck you can also use some of those older CPU's in combo with the new GPU's and it will be still more than enough for 1440p/120Hz.....problem is that some people overreact sometimes or get into the commercial traps and they are not sure what they actually need and for what....

 

[BarbaricSoul]

I built a old pc for using at my partner's.
I7 4790k
Asus Rog maximus VII Gene
2x8gb hyperX savage ddr3 2400
Msi Gtx 980ti gaming 6gb
512gb 2.5" SSD
WD blue 4tb HDD
Corsair TX 750 M
And honestly compared to my modern machine I can't really tell no difference. It does not seem slow, games run fine on the 1080 monitor at v high settings.
I5 9600k
Asus Rog x390
16gb DDR 4 3200
5700xt red devil
1tb + 2tb m2's
Rm850i
Makes me wonder why I spent so much to play games.
Plus side is, I paid £190 for the gtx980ti and they go for £250+ on eBay so I did well with that. The whole "old" machine has cost me £590

You went from top of the line desktop CPU to a 3rd tier CPU, I wouldn't expect to see much gain from that anyway. I went from a HEDT 3930k to a tier 1.5 CPU 10850k (I mean, it's not equal to a 10900k, but you'll play hell telling the difference), and I have seen a big difference in performance, in both work tasks (WCG) and gaming. Now my 3930k served me well, and was still doing what I asked of it, but this 10850k is a lot faster system.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Tbh I think I'm gonna keep the older system and get rid of the new. I'm not bothered about keeping up with the Jones's any more. The old one is easily good enough for all my games at 1080p. I'm not so obsessed with my pc as much as I was 5 or ten years ago, though I can see from tpu there is still lots of obsession

 

[oldwalltree]

Tbh I think I'm gonna keep the older system and get rid of the new. I'm not bothered about keeping up with the Jones's any more. The old one is easily good enough for all my games at 1080p. I'm not so obsessed with my pc as much as I was 5 or ten years ago, though I can see from tpu there is still lots of obsession

cash out that 5700xt while it still has inflated value only miners are buying them anyway!

 

[Aranarth]

When I compare my old machine to my new one it is quite a boost in performance.
The 80% of the boost is from a video card that is 4 times faster (6800xt from 580 8gb). The rest is a better cpu, more ram, and moving to a nvme drive from a 500gb ssd.

Where before I was constantly hunting for 60fps-70fps playing with game settings etc. and still getting the odd slow downs in some areas in certain the games the new machine I can just put all the sliders to max and still get 100fps+ even having moved from 1920x1080 to 3440x1440.

Having a monitor with a variable refresh rate seems to make a big difference as well. I never seem to notice screen tearing or other artifacts.

 

[freeagent]

I'm not so obsessed with my pc as much as I was 5 or ten years ago, though I can see from tpu there is still lots of obsession

A lot of the computers you see here are from enthusiasts. This is their hobby. These systems you see here are not supposed to be replaced every 6-12 months, though some are. Many are made to a gen or two. Some go longer.. I went 11 years between fresh hardware.. and I still have 2014 in my system

Honestly I just shed a bunch of old hardware. It was just sitting on a shelf.. Windows 11 made sure they didn't have much life left so someone might as well use them.

 

[AsRock]

What i noticed from upgrading from a Intel 3770 to a AMD's 3900 the game play in demanding games was smoother and both systems had the same video card.

Only one stick of DDR4 ?, if so that's a big no no. Maybe higher res it would perform better too.

 

[Valantar]

It's good to be honest about the level of hardware fetishism that most of us here practice every day. Very few of our setups are sensible or practical first and foremost. Upgrade mania is of course very much a factor in this. I'm definitely guilty of this myself - I tend to get into this in 2-3-4 year cycles, but this past half year during covid I've now built/upgrade three systems, so ... yeah. The HTPC did need an upgrade, and the NAS was (mostly) built using hand-me-downs from my main rig, and I got my main rig upgrades covered through a research grant. But still - it gets to be a lot at times. It's a hobby that can easily turn obsessive, and focusing on imperceptible 1-2-3% gains can turn into tons of effort, money, and time. All these builds/upgrades are carefully considered and long-term builds, and I'm happy I've kept my Fury X going for six years, as that at least partly serves to demonstrate that I can be sensible and not jump on upgrades all willy-nilly, but ... yeah. I'm happy I'm running out of stuff to tinker with.

There's a definite issue in PC enthusiast circles (as with most [thing] enthusiast circles I assume) where critical attention to cultural norms and practices is really hard to come by, and enthusiast press tends to morph towards quasi-sponsored purchase advice, feeding into this cycle. How often do you see a tech youtuber advocating long-term planning, considered purchases, and considering the environmental impact of our hardware replacements, for example? While most written sites are a bit less "hey look at this cool new RGB thingy" overall, they still are woefully lacking in critical (self-)reflection most of the time. So yeah, there's a lot to unpack here. Jumping off of that train seems like a very good idea, and I hope I'm able to do so soon myself - I'm still stuck with a GPU that just barely does what I need it to, which keeps me coming back. But soon. Fingers crossed.

 

[The red spirit]

It's good to be honest about the level of hardware fetishism that most of us here practice every day. Very few of our setups are sensible or practical first and foremost. Upgrade mania is of course very much a factor in this. I'm definitely guilty of this myself - I tend to get into this in 2-3-4 year cycles, but this past half year during covid I've now built/upgrade three systems, so ... yeah. The HTPC did need an upgrade, and the NAS was (mostly) built using hand-me-downs from my main rig, and I got my main rig upgrades covered through a research grant. But still - it gets to be a lot at times. It's a hobby that can easily turn obsessive, and focusing on imperceptible 1-2-3% gains can turn into tons of effort, money, and time. All these builds/upgrades are carefully considered and long-term builds, and I'm happy I've kept my Fury X going for six years, as that at least partly serves to demonstrate that I can be sensible and not jump on upgrades all willy-nilly, but ... yeah. I'm happy I'm running out of stuff to tinker with.

There's a definite issue in PC enthusiast circles (as with most [thing] enthusiast circles I assume) where critical attention to cultural norms and practices is really hard to come by, and enthusiast press tends to morph towards quasi-sponsored purchase advice, feeding into this cycle. How often do you see a tech youtuber advocating long-term planning, considered purchases, and considering the environmental impact of our hardware replacements, for example? While most written sites are a bit less "hey look at this cool new RGB thingy" overall, they still are woefully lacking in critical (self-)reflection most of the time. So yeah, there's a lot to unpack here. Jumping off of that train seems like a very good idea, and I hope I'm able to do so soon myself - I'm still stuck with a GPU that just barely does what I need it to, which keeps me coming back. But soon. Fingers crossed.

I don't get it, why it's hard to stop doing that. It's like the easiest thing on Earth. As long as you don't read and watch much stuff about hardware, you stop caring about tech. For me it's hard to upgrade stuff, because most of the time my older hardware still works and could be used for something and it takes a lot of time to research things properly, while also filtering out various biases and mistakes of reviewers. And the main reason why it's hard for me, is because you essentially buy the same stuff, but fancier, which after while essentially does the same stuff exactly the same. In other words you are just paying, because some corporate knobs don't do anything to make their ware run good on lower end systems. It's just a stupid system, where you are a perpetual consumer and barely get anything new. In the end hardware just feels disposable and due to that of low value and thus it just feels like an awful idea to perpetually keep buying something of low value. And you can't really buy expensive stuff once and keep it much longer as it becomes obsolete pretty much as fast as mid tier stuff anyway. DX12, new pixel shader model, SSE4, AVX2? Boom and now your otherwise adequately fast stuff is now incompatible with certain new software. At least if you buy mid range, you lose less cash. Computer hardware isn't really a durable good, it's perishable good. It's not some thing that you buy and it stays as valuable as the day you got it. It just depreciates, until it gets worthless and then if it didn't already die, gets scalped on eBay, so that some dude can cash out on others' nostalgia. And on top of that, most of techware isn't really made to be truly yours. You usually can't edit vBios freely, can't upgrade motherboard, can't make custom BIOS for motherboard, can't overwrite EDID, can't customize GPU drivers. Buying computer hardware is literally buying ewaste, that you are deluded for several years that it isn't ewaste.

 

[plastiscɧ]

I don't get it, why it's hard to stop doing that. It's like the easiest thing on Earth. As long as you don't read and watch much stuff about hardware, you stop caring about tech. For me it's hard to upgrade stuff, because most of the time my older hardware still works and could be used for something and it takes a lot of time to research things properly, while also filtering out various biases and mistakes of reviewers. And the main reason why it's hard for me, is because you essentially buy the same stuff, but fancier, which after while essentially does the same stuff exactly the same. In other words you are just paying, because some corporate knobs don't do anything to make their ware run good on lower end systems. It's just a stupid system, where you are a perpetual consumer and barely get anything new. In the end hardware just feels disposable and due to that of low value and thus it just feels like an awful idea to perpetually keep buying something of low value. And you can't really buy expensive stuff once and keep it much longer as it becomes obsolete pretty much as fast as mid tier stuff anyway. DX12, new pixel shader model, SSE4, AVX2? Boom and now your otherwise adequately fast stuff is now incompatible with certain new software. At least if you buy mid range, you lose less cash. Computer hardware isn't really a durable good, it's perishable good. It's not some thing that you buy and it stays as valuable as the day you got it. It just depreciates, until it gets worthless and then if it didn't already die, gets scalped on eBay, so that some dude can cash out on others' nostalgia. And on top of that, most of techware isn't really made to be truly yours. You usually can't edit vBios freely, can't upgrade motherboard, can't make custom BIOS for motherboard, can't overwrite EDID, can't customize GPU drivers. Buying computer hardware is literally buying ewaste, that you are deluded for several years that it isn't ewaste.

if you haven't made computer stuff your favorite hobby, i can fully agree with you. but it's like a car too; who needs wide tires? No one! and they are expensive and wear out.

who just does multimedia and writes something on the pc or plays chess and mahjong really doesn't need a gaming pc.

but i personally recently bought a power supply for 450€ and celebrated 2 days __ completely disassemble the pc to lay the cables accurately. assemble. my water cooling has 25 screws alone. to loosen all by hand and bring back to their places is fiddling, meditative...

music and delicious coffee...

all a matter of fetish, or not...
by the way, cars are just commodities for me... i don't even have one

 

[The red spirit]

if you haven't made computer stuff your favorite hobby, i can fully agree with you. but it's like a car too; who needs wide tires? No one! and they are expensive and wear out.

Well, it's one of my major hobbies. I never understood hardware fetishism, but it's not too bad to upgrade once in a while (by that I mean 6 years for slowly aging components and 4 years for fast aging components and pretty much a decade for mostly non-aging components).

by the way, cars are just commodities for me... i don't even have one

My main problem with them is cost and no one making anything close to what I want.

 

[eidairaman1]

Wait while the oil runs out, they'll all be driving tuk tuks

subject is of your system not cars...

 

[basco]

my time investing in the latest and greatest is gone but i still want to see all the new stuff on tpu. still got the itch.
best thing for me was to move to TPU´s nostalgic hardware thread so i can do my hobby and dont break the bank.

 

[Caring1]

Oh excuse me, was i the only one talking about cars

So how much Horse Power does your new system have compared to the old one?

 

[Deleted member 24505]

So how much Horse Power does your new system have compared to the old one?

Tbh i cannot notice any difference. The 980ti is still not bad at all.

 

[Mescalamba]

Thats hard. I also like old cars. Bit different reasons tho.

Anyway.

OPs "problem" is bit like mine and reason why my only upgrade was somewhat recent Titan Xp and top end Xeon 6+6 for x58. I have slightly overkill HTPC built on AMD too and, yea apart fact that HTPC runs on NVMe, there is a lot less difference than I would expect (% wise it makes sense), just that progress during time and money paid for new vs old.

Its bit like those cars really, PC parts had so slow performance gain that even 10 years old system is fairly okay, if you mod some parts. Ofc unless you plan to "play" Win 11, then you probably stuffed.

Same goes for 10 years old cars. And those dont even need upgrades.

 

[xcescxa]

Certain old tech is better than newer, like audio and keyboards. Who agrees with me?

 

[plastiscɧ]

Its bit like those cars really, PC parts had so slow performance gain that even 10 years old system is fairly okay, if you mod some parts. Ofc unless you plan to "play" Win 11, then you probably stuffed.

v10.19043.xx VS v10.22000.xx

there is no need to hang this operating system higher than necessary.
older hardware has its justification.
always the latest is also a cost factor.
those who prefer to go on vacation just spend their money on it.

so that is almost better, because beautiful memories remain forever.
cars are so boring.. i do not even have one. and i will never buy.

 

[plastiscɧ]

I wish this was true. So many things nowadays are made as cheap as they possibly can be.



Cars today aren't really affordable, as even basic cars are loaded with crap of questionable usability. Also cars today are re-entering land yacht stage, where they all looks like cancerous blobs instead of being small light and lean. Even VW Golf today is big and VW Polo is still bigger than older Golfs. The first Golf was probably smaller than modern VW Up.



No, at least you can use your car as long as it doesn't fall apart. In computer land, after a while there's a new road version and now your stuff is incompatible with "new" roads and thus your perfectly functional computer is now in computer scrapyard.



You simply can't buy iPhone and expect it to last, certainly not with that pillock at helm. iPhones are like condoms, once you buy them and use them for a while, they are unusable again.



Say what you want about it, but it sure is a track weapon:

It was on F40's ass and F40 was just a mad car. Incredibly light, incredibly powerful, incredibly expensive and yet Honda managed to get close to that automotive greatness with some really well engineered car, that is mostly using rather basic parts. The NSX was co-developed with Ayrton Senna and back in the day it stirred up super car market. It's wasn't just "kinda good for Honda", but it was pretty much the super car to get, unless you want something as mad as F40. The NSX was a stunning car and still is today. It still rips at Tsukuba and at touge with some additional tuning. There really isn't anything like NSX today. Mercedes isn't even close to catching up to to stock NSX, yep the stock non NSX-R NSX. For that matter, SLR McLaren may even get beaten by Integra R in Tsukuba.


Hell no, cars > computers.

you are sympatic.
its very interesting how different ppl are. even in their perception of the same thing. but understandable. but to take this further it would be necessary to switch to the subject of philosophy.
i am a bit shocked about your iPhone comparison.

okay back to computer/topic

I sell my hardware to ppl after i used it after 6 month or so..
I recently sold my GTX1070 for 330€. nice deal - according to the present VGA situation.
CPU + motherboard to a guy in Spain. He was so happy, he got my delidded i7 7700K.

So this is then a good thing for both sides. win win - i get feeded my tiny quirks and some1 else profits as well.

 

[The red spirit]

I sell my hardware to ppl after i used it after 6 month or so..
I recently sold my GTX1070 for 330€. nice deal - according to the present VGA situation.
CPU + motherboard to a guy in Spain. He was so happy, he got my delidded i7 7700K.

So this is then a good thing for both sides. win win - i get feeded my tiny quirks and some1 else profits as well.

Well, if you think so, then perhaps it is. I think that you could have made more money or kept hardware much longer. I personally bought RX 580 and I intend to keep it for a long time, perhaps for 6 years. It's already on third year. i5 will have to last at least 8 years.