Optane performance on AMD vs Intel

[NSGYPA]

Question: do Optane drives perform better on Intel systems verses AMD?

I have an optimized system with 9950x, 32gb 6000 CL28-36-36-96 windows 11 enterprise.

My 800gb p5800x is scoring 32,000 on Anvil benchmark. I see benchmarks on intel systems anywhere from 36,000 to 38,000.

can anyone explain how I can optimize further?

 

[Ferrum Master]

Anvil benchmark.

Are you serious?

 

[Zazigalka]

Question: do Optane drives perform better on Intel systems verses AMD?

I have an optimized system with 9950x, 32gb 6000 CL28-36-36-96 windows 11 enterprise.

My 800gb p5800x is scoring 32,000 on Anvil benchmark. I see benchmarks on intel systems anywhere from 36,000 to 38,000.

can anyone explain how I can optimize further?

Intel SSD DC P5800X 800GB Review - World's Fastest SSD

Intel's DC P5800X is now available for sale and you can own the world's fastest PCIe SSD if you are willing to spend some cash.

www.tweaktown.com

AMD scores seem lower indeed

 

[evernessince]

TweakTown's review shows the same drive at 42,000 vs 40,000 for Intel and AMD configs respectively.

If you have your OS installed on the P5800X, that's going to cut into your score. You'll only hit benchmark numbers when the drive is used as a secondary and you aren't running something on it in the background.

How are you connecting the drive to your PC? Really the only good solution for u.2 PCIe 4.0 is a PCIe 4.0 compatible carrier card. Everything else is likely to cause signal errors. Make sure that the card is in the top slot as well, many motherboard will have issues getting a clear signal to a carrier card in the bottom slot and this can degrade your score. PCIe 4.0 and up is a PITA in regards to signal integrity.

 

[NSGYPA]

TweakTown's review shows the same drive at 42,000 vs 40,000 for Intel and AMD configs respectively.

If you have your OS installed on the P5800X, that's going to cut into your score. You'll only hit benchmark numbers when the drive is used as a secondary and you aren't running something on it in the background.

How are you connecting the drive to your PC? Really the only good solution for u.2 PCIe 4.0 is a PCIe 4.0 compatible carrier card. Everything else is likely to cause signal errors. Make sure that the card is in the top slot as well, many motherboard will have issues getting a clear signal to a carrier card in the bottom slot and this can degrade your score. PCIe 4.0 and up is a PITA in regards to signal integrity.

I have a x670e proart and run the SSD using a Gen 4 U.2 to PCIE card "Glotrends"brand.

I also use a OCuLink redriver m.2 to U.2 and it has similar scores.

 

[evernessince]

Here's my P5800X 400GB anvil score for reference on a 7800X3D + X670 setup. This is with me using it as my main drive so the score is a bit lower than if I were benchmarking it as a separate drive. I got the full 40K when I first tested it before migrating my OS. I hammer this thing by training AI all the time and it's a real champ:

I have a x670e proart and run the SSD using a Gen 4 U.2 to PCIE card "Glotrends"brand.

What slot is the card in though? It should be the top slot. Lower slots might work but it depends heavily on your motherboard.

I personally use the StarTech PCIe to u.2 card and it just works but that might simply because I have it in the top slot with my 4090 in the bottom slot.

In addition, you never specified if this is your OS drive. You are going to loose about 2,000 points when testing it while it's your OS drive and you'll loose additional performance if you have background tasks running. If you haven't already, try to ensure nothing is potentially interfering with the benchmark.

I also use a OCuLink refrigerator m.2 to U.2 and it has similar scores.

I assume you mean redriver here and not refrigerator. The m.2 adapters with the redrivers may require some fiddling with in order to get the signal to where you want it and the problem is unless you run Linux I'm not aware of any way to look at PCIe communication errors on windows. Wendel from Level1Techs was able to do so with Linux. He did a whole video on getting PCIe 4.0 U.2 drives to work and it's in general a PITA. Hence why I purchased the StarTech U.2 card as it was the easiest and most reliable option among those Wendel tested.

 

[A Computer Guy]

TweakTown's review shows the same drive at 42,000 vs 40,000 for Intel and AMD configs respectively.

If you have your OS installed on the P5800X, that's going to cut into your score. You'll only hit benchmark numbers when the drive is used as a secondary and you aren't running something on it in the background.

How are you connecting the drive to your PC? Really the only good solution for u.2 PCIe 4.0 is a PCIe 4.0 compatible carrier card. Everything else is likely to cause signal errors. Make sure that the card is in the top slot as well, many motherboard will have issues getting a clear signal to a carrier card in the bottom slot and this can degrade your score. PCIe 4.0 and up is a PITA in regards to signal integrity.

Interesting it never occurred to me the bottom slot might be a problem. I run my slots in x8/x8 and my dual glotrends card is in the 2nd slot although I don't seem to be having any issues. Perhaps because my drives are PCIe 3 not 4 it's not an issue.

 

[NSGYPA]

Here's my P5800X 400GB anvil score for reference on a 7800X3D + X670 setup. This is with me using it as my main drive so the score is a bit lower than if I were benchmarking it as a separate drive. I got the full 40K when I first tested it before migrating my OS. I hammer this thing by training AI all the time and it's a real champ:

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What slot is the card in though? It should be the top slot. Lower slots might work but it depends heavily on your motherboard.

I personally use the StarTech PCIe to u.2 card and it just works but that might simply because I have it in the top slot with my 4090 in the bottom slot.

In addition, you never specified if this is your OS drive. You are going to loose about 2,000 points when testing it while it's your OS drive and you'll loose additional performance if you have background tasks running. If you haven't already, try to ensure nothing is potentially interfering with the benchmark.



I assume you mean redriver here and not refrigerator. The m.2 adapters with the redrivers may require some fiddling with in order to get the signal to where you want it and the problem is unless you run Linux I'm not aware of any way to look at PCIe communication errors on windows. Wendel from Level1Techs was able to do so with Linux. He did a whole video on getting PCIe 4.0 U.2 drives to work and it's in general a PITA. Hence why I purchased the StarTech U.2 card as it was the easiest and most reliable option among those Wendel tested.

First, it's my OS, but my p5801x is benching the same. Around 32000

Isn't the startech adapter only gen 3.0? I have one on the third slot of my system and it runs my 905.


my problem is that if I bump my graphics card to the second PCIE slot it completely covers my third PCIE slot...

 

[A Computer Guy]

Isn't the startech adapter only gen 3.0? I have one on the third slot of my system and it runs my 905.

I just had a quick question I hope you don't mind. Since you have a 905 I'm curious about any Anvil benchmark you might have done with that using your 9950x.

This is my single drive bench 905p with 5950x and I'm wondering if there is any possible bump in performance with 9550x over 5950x using the drive since I'm considering getting a 9950x. Can you post an Anvil bench of your 905? I'd like to compare if possible.

 

[NSGYPA]

I just had a quick question I hope you don't mind. Since you have a 905 I'm curious about any Anvil benchmark you might have done with that using your 9950x.

This is my single drive bench 905p with 5950x and I'm wondering if there is any possible bump in performance with 9550x over 5950x using the drive since I'm considering getting a 9950x. Can you post an Anvil bench of your 905? I'd like to compare if possible.
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Of course, when I get into the office tomorrow I'll check.

 

[evernessince]

Interesting it never occurred to me the bottom slot might be a problem. I run my slots in x8/x8 and my dual glotrends card is in the 2nd slot although I don't seem to be having any issues. Perhaps because my drives are PCIe 3 not 4 it's not an issue.

Correct, 3.0 isn't an issue. Signal integrity really only becomes a problem with 4.0 and up.

3.0 drives have no problem with longer runs without redrivers which is why you can find M.2 to U.2 cables, which is nice as most motherboards don't have a ton of slots nowadays.

Isn't the startech adapter only gen 3.0? I have one on the third slot of my system and it runs my 905.

It doesn't say it on the amazon listing but if you go to the product page:

If you have another drive in your 3rd slot and the P5800X in your second, it could very well be that you are bottlenecked by the x4 bandwidth shared by the chipset. Hard to say without knowing all the PCIe slots and M.2 you have populated and the block diagram of your motherboard. Actually looking up the manual for your motherboard I'm surprised ASUS doesn't even provide a block diagram, which is a problem. They'll tell you if something is sharing bandwidth but that doesn't really tell us if PCIe lanes are coming from the chipset or the CPU.

my problem is that if I bump my graphics card to the second PCIE slot it completely covers my third PCIE slot...

That is problematic. Are either of the scores provided with it in the first slot? I'd do it just to see if it would improve scores or not, you don't have to keep it that way. At least then you'd have an idea of the cause of your lower than expected scores.

 

[R-T-B]

Why wouldn't you just use a u.2 to m.2 adapter? Intel even shipped these with many kits branded. No need to overthink it guys.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Why wouldn't you just use a u.2 to m.2 adapter? Intel even shipped these with many kits branded. No need to overthink it guys.

Risers are the key.

But nevermind, it is weird people chasing numbers in some benchmark. It should be tweaked against SQL bench or anything more close why Optane is being chosen in the first place. Nobody bats an eye for linear writes and reads for that, and for mult threaded database loads pcie does not matter also, latency does. Only benchmarks... Single threaded, Core boost, no power saving, process lasso... You got the idea.

 

[R-T-B]

Risers are the key.

Why? There are no risers in a m.2 to u.2 adapter.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Why? There are no risers in a m.2 to u.2 adapter.

Then you can use the PCIe adapter and keep it short as possible without causing troubles with the GPU.

 

[londiste]

If you have another drive in your 3rd slot and the P5800X in your second, it could very well be that you are bottlenecked by the x4 bandwidth shared by the chipset. Hard to say without knowing all the PCIe slots and M.2 you have populated and the block diagram of your motherboard. Actually looking up the manual for your motherboard I'm surprised ASUS doesn't even provide a block diagram, which is a problem. They'll tell you if something is sharing bandwidth but that doesn't really tell us if PCIe lanes are coming from the chipset or the CPU.

This. You do not even need to look into the manual, specs page for that board lists what connects where:
Unless I am reading it wrong this is the card in question: ProArt X670E-CREATOR WIFI - Tech Specs｜Motherboards｜ASUS USA

AMD Ryzen™ 9000 & 8000 & 7000 Series Desktop Processors*
2 x PCIe 5.0 x16 slots (support x16 or x8/x8 modes)
AMD X670 Chipset
1 x PCIe 4.0 x16 slot (supports x2 mode)**

AMD Ryzen™ 9000 & 8000 & 7000 Series Desktop Processors
M.2_1 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280 (supports PCIe 5.0 x4 mode)
M.2_2 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280 (supports PCIe 5.0 x4 mode)
AMD X670 Chipset
M.2_3 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280 (supports PCIe 4.0 x4 mode)**
M.2_4 slot (Key M), type 2242/2260/2280/22110 (supports PCIe 4.0 x4 mode)

There are ifs and buts about shared bandwidth between PCIEX16_3 and M.2_3 but this is pretty nicely described.

When connected to chipset slot, there is an extra overhead as it goes through chipset to CPU and also the potential bottleneck of CPU-chipset connection.

 

[R-T-B]

Then you can use the PCIe adapter and keep it short as possible without causing troubles with the GPU.

I guess but my point is why use a PCIe slot at all?

 

[Ferrum Master]

I guess but my point is why use a PCIe slot at all?

Detection issues using gen4, it is mostly fine on gen3. You probably noticed the whole debacle of gen4 redrivers even on the same PCB. It is 16GHz realm... Keeping as short as possible is a must.

But nevertheless the core issue here is non issue at all... those numbers mostly mean nothing for home user applications...

 

[basco]

maybe this is dumb from me but does the driver play a role here too ?
iastorac versus stornvme

 

[Ferrum Master]

maybe this is dumb from me but does the driver play a role here too ?
iastorac versus stornvme

No, AFAIK, the intel driver just enables API for more logging and their tools... that are now EOL anyways.

 

[NSGYPA]

This. You do not even need to look into the manual, specs page for that board lists what connects where:
Unless I am reading it wrong this is the card in question: ProArt X670E-CREATOR WIFI - Tech Specs｜Motherboards｜ASUS USA

There are ifs and buts about shared bandwidth between PCIEX16_3 and M.2_3 but this is pretty nicely described.

When connected to chipset slot, there is an extra overhead as it goes through chipset to CPU and also the potential bottleneck of CPU-chipset connection.

My interpretation is that both PCIE 1 and 2 are directly to the CPU. So I'm not sure if swapping my SSD to slot one and bringing my GPU down a slot will give me a benefit. Right?

 

[evernessince]

Why wouldn't you just use a u.2 to m.2 adapter? Intel even shipped these with many kits branded. No need to overthink it guys.

You are thinking of 1st gen PCIe 3.0 optane. 2nd gen PCIe 4.0 optane doesn't come with any adapter primary because getting a PCIe 4.0 U.2 drive to run at full 4.0 is tricky unless you are plugging it directly into a server backplane. If there were an easier solution, that's the one I'd be using and recommending.

This. You do not even need to look into the manual, specs page for that board lists what connects where:
Unless I am reading it wrong this is the card in question: ProArt X670E-CREATOR WIFI - Tech Specs｜Motherboards｜ASUS USA

There are ifs and buts about shared bandwidth between PCIEX16_3 and M.2_3 but this is pretty nicely described.

When connected to chipset slot, there is an extra overhead as it goes through chipset to CPU and also the potential bottleneck of CPU-chipset connection.

Thanks for pointing that out. Not as good as a block diagram but still useful in this scenario. Looks like both slots 1 and 2 get x8 lanes from the CPU, same as my config. Given that's he's indicated he has a different SSD in the 3rd slot, by extension that means the P5800X is in slot 1 or 2 and is getting it's lanes direct from the CPU and unshared.

My interpretation is that both PCIE 1 and 2 are directly to the CPU. So I'm not sure if swapping my SSD to slot one and bringing my GPU down a slot will give me a benefit. Right?

They are both getting the same number of lanes from the CPU so we can rule out it being a chipet bandwidth issue but if it's a signal integrity issue slot 1 could very well fix it.

 

[NSGYPA]

You are thinking of 1st gen PCIe 3.0 optane. 2nd gen PCIe 4.0 optane doesn't come with any adapter primary because getting a PCIe 4.0 U.2 drive to run at full 4.0 is tricky unless you are plugging it directly into a server backplane. If there were an easier solution, that's the one I'd be using and recommending.



Thanks for pointing that out. Not as good as a block diagram but still useful in this scenario. Looks like both slots 1 and 2 get x8 lanes from the CPU, same as my config. Given that's he's indicated he has a different SSD in the 3rd slot, by extension that means the P5800X is in slot 1 or 2 and is getting it's lanes direct from the CPU and unshared.



They are both getting the same number of lanes from the CPU so we can rule out it being a chipet bandwidth issue but if it's a signal integrity issue slot 1 could very well fix it.

Any input on how I can fit my chonker 7900xtx in the second slot and preserve my third PCIE slot? It's so big it encroaches over the bottom slot.

Good chance I'll just live with it how it's functioning now because my gimped p5800x still destroys everything comparable.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Any input on how I can fit my chonker 7900xtx in the second slot and preserve my third PCIE slot? It's so big it encroaches over the bottom slot.

Good chance I'll just live with it how it's functioning now because my gimped p5800x still destroys everything comparable.

Possibly replace your current 2 PCIe cards with dual glotrends card then abandon your 3rd slot?

 

[NSGYPA]

Possibly replace your current 2 PCIe cards with dual glotrends card then abandon your 3rd slot?

Don't double adapter create their own latency problems?