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P4C800-E and XP120 thermalright

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I do some thinking , replacing my SLK900 with the XP120 Thermalright .

The point are that XP120 is a large CPU heatsink , and has some compatibility issues ,
with many P4 478 boards .

Thermalright does not have any more, the P4 compatibility page on-line.

I searched the net , but i did not found a single picture of ASUS P4C800-E ,
with the XP120 in place .

I found pictures of P4P800-E , but i must find the P4C800-E , i do not like to bend capacitors.

If some one knows any review about that .... or haves use this board + cooler compo .. just let me know .

Bottom line , if its not compatible i will stop thinking of it .

http://icrontic.com/articles/thermalright_xp120_heatsink
 

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Google is a wonderful thing.

Here is a link to a review that tests out the XP-120 on an Asus P4C800 motherboard (same layout around the CPU area as your P4C800-E).

Quoted from the review; "A tight fit but it works."
 
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Thanks friend .... but the layout around the CPU its not the same ... I have do my research on Google ... spent time .. but there are lots of links .

The layout of P4C800-E & P4P800-E are alike , but not with the older non - E , models.
 

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P4C800-E - your current motherboard


P4C800 - used in the Madshrimps review with the XP-120


Looks pretty close to me...
 
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Looks that i have to bend capacitors ... and my P4C800-E has one more than P4C800 .
Bend a single capacitor with out other parts next to it , its possible .
Bend a single capacitor with another next to it ... hmm "problem"

Bend the heat pipe ? ;)
 

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Any reason why you can't use a tower-style CPU heatsink?
 
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I found the XP120 on bargain price ..

2) i was hope to cool the FET and ram , by the face down fan on the XP120 .

3) Tower coolers , at equal or better performance than the current ( top performer) cost lots of cash.

My current problem is that by adding this Prescott 3.2 , my setup as TT smart fan and SLK 900 , with temp sensor at the bottom of the cooler , forces the 90mm fan to work faster.

The fan could go even at 3.500 rpm ( 4500 max) , and keeps the CPU at 43C (load) .
Idle runs at 36C , 20 C environment.
Next thing to try , are to limit the fan voltage , so to not run that fast .
 
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I just win on eBAY and got the XP-120 from UK :) (8.5 Pounds + 4 shipping)

I will at list, try to use it , and if i get in trouble with the heat pipes , i will bend them. (just a little) :nutkick:
 
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I found on the web some predictions based on the heatsink s thermal performance ,
that the gain will be only 3 to 5C .

But what i care for is the lower sound level ...

I all ready change the speed of my dual 90mm fans to "manual control" around 1900 RPM its,
system works silent enough , but on load gets to 45 - 48C max .

If by the same conditions the XP-120 , manages to keep it at 40-41C on load , i will call it as success.

Because i will manage to have the same temperatures that i have now (winter time ) at the summer time , that room temperature goes high. ;)
 
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Well i manage to install the heatsink , by a prototype way ( never see it until now elsewhere ) ;)

By cutting a small piece of the north bridge heatsink , the cooler got in place,
with the heat pipes looking down , by that move i had no issues at all to install it . ( like bend capacitors)


The results as temperature readings , in comparison the the SLK900 , are bad .

My temps got up about 5-7C , even with dual TT 90mm at 3500 rpm ,
the heatsink was unable to keep the core cooler than the SLK900 with the same setup of fans .

SLK900 = 43C
XP-120 = 50C

The same conditions - differences ,
effected also " idle - gaming - cooling down times from load" .

If two fans spinning like airplane , does not effect as air flow ,
the performance of this heatsink , i surrender :shadedshu

I have end up to the conclusion , that the heat pipes , is not as effective , as my copper brick .

The Good part :
The XP-120 looked to not be sensitive at the very powerful airflow .
So i had to find the lowest possible airflow that it needs to stay at the 50C that loves that much.

I removed the dual powerful fans , and install one 120mm Akasa ( specs 1700rpm 59,05 CMF ) true rpm 1500 .

And i got a pleasurable silent system , by using the motherboards ( automated fan control future) ( like 1100 rpm to 1500rpm when hot) .
With this fan on , i got as 55C on load .

I do not know if this can be called as win ,
but i do know that i need one more powerful 120mm fan .
That it could do at list 2000rpm , so to deal with the summer .

I have very mixed feelings right now , i got ride off the noisy 90mm , and i have one just good enough 120mm .

Heatsink to heatsink comparison , proves the SLK900 as better one .
From the other hand , the XP-120 runs the CPU hotter but at tolerable levels .
The overall fan noise, become very low and the system is pleasurable ,
and i like it that way.

The motherboard gets very good cooling , north bridge - ram - FETs , are very happy with the XP-120 .


What bothers me , is that i was hope for one Win-Win combination , as lower temps and noise, but it did not worked that way.

And now pictures from my setup. :p
 

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I'd bet that the cooling performance would be much better with the XP-120 if you were able to rotate the heatsink, so that the heatpipes are in a horizontal position.

I had the same results as you with a Scythe Zipang (top down/140mm fan).

Heatpipes vertical (Same as you, poor cooling performance)
Heatpipes horizontal (10C cooler!)

If possible, try orienting the XP-120 with the heatpipes horizontal. You just might see a big difference...
 
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I can not do the rotate trick , the CPU cooler holder base , its not square .

Long live INTEL !! :laugh:

But how in earth this horizontal position makes that deference ...

You do not teasing me ... are you ? :D
 

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Here is a section of a review of the Scythe Zipang. It compares the horizontal and vertical orientation of the heatsink, and the cooling performance.

It's not just the Zipang that works this way, many other top-down heatpipe coolers (like your XP-120) are also affected by their heatpipe orientation. It seems that in the vertical heatpipe orientation, gravity is working against the heatpipe liquid, thus lowering the cooling efficiency. In the standard horizontal orientation, proper cooling performance is usually seen.

Sorry it's not working out for you, as you'd like...
 
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Interesting find nafets , i will study it ..

But i am not confident that it will work with the XP-120 , even if i do find a way to turn it horizontal , only the heat pipe at the center will benefit from it , the side heat pipes are curved with large ratio , and in simple words , not all heat pipes will benefit the same from the orientation change .

Practically , i can rotate the all case , just to verify this gravity theory . :laugh:

Oh well , i will do some more testing , and i will come back with hard evidence . ;)
 

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...Practically , i can rotate the all case , just to verify this gravity theory . :laugh:...

I was actually thinking this, and was going to suggest it, but thought it might be physically difficult to do.

It would be the easiest way of finding out if you get better temps in a horizontal orientation, without re-installing the CPU heatsink...
 
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Well what i just did , was to test AS5 VS AS3 thermal past .
The person that i got the cooler from UK , send me AS5 as gift :)

About turning the case is the next step .
 
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I think that i came at the end of the road ... :laugh:

The AS5 vs AS3 did not show any winner . ( lots of tests involved)


I set the case on the floor , wait about 2 minutes on idle , with speedfan monitoring ..
Nothing happen , no chance at all .


The theory of proper orientation for the heat pipes could be true .

But the diameter of the heat pipes is another factor too .

For instance .... and the Zalman VF or GV1000 and also the XP-120 uses the same small in diameter heat pipes .

If i conclude , that this small diameter is not orientation sensitive .... the larger ones could be .

But i can not verify it .... :)
 

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No no. You're confusing horizontal and vertical, with how the motherboard is oriented. Such as in a tower case the motherboard is always vertical, but in a HTPC case the motherboard is horizontal...

I'm talking purely of how the heatpipes are situated within the case.

These pictures should show what I mean;

How your current XP-120 setup is now - Vertical Heatpipes


How you should test it - Horizontal Heatpipes - Rest the PC case on the CD/DVD/Floppy bays


In both situations, the motherboard is vertical. Since you can't reseat the XP-120, just turn the PC case so that it's sitting on it's front, if possible...
 
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Rest the PC case on the CD/DVD/Floppy bays...


Thats hard acrobatics my friend .. :laugh:

It needs special preparations ... i will think about it tomorrow .
 
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Ok after lots of thinking , i decide to load up again the SLK-900U .

I did one small test ... simple test ... let the same CPU fans setup at the same manual adjusted rpm ( dual 90mm fans at 1550 rpm) , and all that i did , was to monitor the system .

The load times was from viewing Youtube videos , and then idle for five minutes.

The results are speaks by them selfs , the superiority of the SLK-900 its clear and without dispute .


I am giving all this details , so the people who have still in use an equal system ,
to find here in TPU , this report of my , and save them selfs from the trouble ,
about looking further for magic solutions.
Or at list , the XP-120 its not one of them .

Thanks for your time. :)


Edit: .. nafets .. i did not turn the system around , because no matter the results ,
the cooler can not be installed in any other way on this motherboard.
Thanks for your efforts and help.

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Heh, quite unfortunate. Maybe your CPU and motherboard are allergic to heatpipe-based CPU coolers. ;)

It's rare to see an old heatpipe-based heatsink being beaten by a much older standard block heatsink.

The one obvious difference is that the SLK900U is all copper, with the XP-120 being aluminum finned with a copper base. With both being made by Thermalright, they should be in the same area, with regards to quality and workmanship.

It's possible the XP-120 could be defective in some way, but I find that to be a stretch.

Oh well. I guess you're stuck with the noisier, but better cooling, SLK-900U. :)
 
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Oh well. I guess you're stuck with the noisier, but better cooling, SLK-900U. :)

Not really ;)

Just got on my hand the Sharkoon Fan adapter 80-120mm :D :D :D

Now that i tested the 120mm as CPU fan , there is no way to go back . ;)
 
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