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Raptor lake 20% faster than 12900k

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Tigger said:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/i...hmarked-20-percent-faster-than-core-i9-12900k

Only a userbench test but will be pretty good if it is 20% faster.
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Looks promising on the IPC front for having lower clocks. I think the 20% is coming from the 8 extra gracemont cores so that's kind of a meh. 13700K vs 12900K/S is the real test.
 
Wonder if the single thread will be better too.
 
Almost certainly; the lower clocked engineering samples are scoring the same/slightly higher in ST, so it will just come down to final clocks.

So if we assume 4600 boost on that es, and 5200 boost on the 12900k, then we're looking at roughly 13%; so safe to say 10-15% ST boost. Maybe more in apps that rely on cache (games).

That's if they only boost to 5200 thought, there's some crazy boost numbers floating around on the rumor webs. And do I mean crazy:
Upcoming Intel Core i9-13900K Could Sport a Whopping 5.8GHz Clock Speed in Turbo Mode [Rumor] | Tech Times

Im sticking with the 10-15% st boost prediction.
 
I'm wondering how the lower end chips like the i5-13400F will perform.
Thats something I would be interested in upgrading to once my 12100F wont be enough for my needs/games anymore say in ~2+ years or so.
 
phanbuey said:
Almost certainly; the lower clocked engineering samples are scoring the same/slightly higher in ST, so it will just come down to final clocks.

So if we assume 4600 boost on that es, and 5200 boost on the 12900k, then we're looking at roughly 13%; so safe to say 10-15% ST boost. Maybe more in apps that rely on cache (games).

That's if they only boost to 5200 thought, there's some crazy boost numbers floating around on the rumor webs. And do I mean crazy:
Upcoming Intel Core i9-13900K Could Sport a Whopping 5.8GHz Clock Speed in Turbo Mode [Rumor] | Tech Times

Im sticking with the 10-15% st boost prediction.
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Looking interesting indeed. Can't wait to see more leaked benchies closer to actual release. Should be a drop in for my board too i hope :)
 
Tigger said:
Should be a drop in for my board too i hope :)
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It's still socket LGA 1700, and DDR4 still supported in your case, so yes it should. (after a BIOS update)
 
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weekendgeek said:
Has DDR4 support been confirmed? I want to believe.....
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A quick google search

According to the manufacturer, the Raptor Lake-S Desktop CPUs will be getting a boost of DDR5-5200 versus Alder Lake's DDR5-4800 native speeds. Both CPUs also support the DDR4 memory standard but moving forward, Intel and AMD will focus more on the newer DDR5 standard
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Sithaer said:
I'm wondering how the lower end chips like the i5-13400F will perform.
Thats something I would be interested in upgrading to once my 12100F wont be enough for my needs/games anymore say in ~2+ years or so.
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12100F is going to last a lot more than 2 years. I will give it 5-6 years.
 
ARF said:
I bet that slow quad core is a meh even today.

"Would still chug/stutter in BF2042 though, 4 cores simply not enough."
Intel Core i3-12100 quad-core Alder Lake CPU gets tested, faster than Ryzen 3 3300X | guru3D Forums
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Not really, if you say the 12100 is not enoug then you can put prev gen i5 10400 and 11400 + r5 3600 in that same category since the 12100 is on par if not better than those CPUs in gaming based on multiple reviews including the TPU one. '1% lows included btw, not just average so its not more stuttery than the said CPUs'

That and it also depends on the game, no offence but BF2042 is a garbage optimized game filled with bugs that I have no interest in playing anyway.
Its always possible to find a bad example/outlier but that does not hold true for most of the games currently.
 
Sithaer said:
Not really, if you say the 12100 is not enoug then you can put prev gen i5 10400 and 11400 + r5 3600 in that same category since the 12100 is on par if not better than those CPUs in gaming based on multiple reviews including the TPU one. '1% lows included btw, not just average so its not more stuttery than the said CPUs'

That and it also depends on the game, no offence but BF2042 is a garbage optimized game filled with bugs that I have no interest in playing anyway.
Its always possible to find a bad example/outlier but that does not hold true for most of the games currently.
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I disagree. 4 cores limit your general multi-tasking opportunities, you are either forced to turn services/apps/threads down or live with the threat that at any point the system might crash/lag/stutter because other competing processes interfere with the main gaming threads...
 
ARF said:
I disagree. 4 cores limit your general multi-tasking opportunities, you are either forced to turn services/apps/threads down or live with the threat that at any point the system might crash/lag/stutter because other competing processes interfere with the main gaming threads...
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Yeah no, never had to do that idk where you get that from. :confused: 'not a single crash or system freeze either'
Not with my use case at least, I don't do heavy multi tasking/not a streamer/don't play competitive games + every single review goes against that opinion.
This Alder lake quad core is not equal to previous quad cores, you can't simply base it on those. 'btw this is also noted and mentioned in the TPU review that the Golden cove cores are so much faster that its not your average quad core like the older gen ones'

I have this CPU since 2022 February and its been a very positive experience for me, no stutters in any game I play nor while general everyday use of my system.
This is not the first time I'm using a i3 and I never found those claims to be true for the average user, not everyone is a power user you know.

You can read it for yourself since you are posting on this site right:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i3-12100f/

Or watch this:

Not a single mention of what you are talking about, I'm personally using this CPU and not experiencing those 'problems' either so lets just agree to disagree.
 
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Now I have a i7 12700K I see my 8 thread i7 6700k was a bottleneck in several games I play.
Getting better fps now.
 
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i hope we can buy a non e core K chip this time... it's a waste that you have to disable half the CPU (8 e cores, iGPU) just to get decent overclocking performance and in some cases drastically higher gaming performance.
 
Sithaer said:
Yeah no, never had to do that idk where you get that from. :confused:
Not with my use case at least, I don't do heavy multi tasking/not a streamer/don't play competitive games + every single review goes against that opinion.
This Alder lake quad core is not equal to previous quad cores, you can't simply base it on those. 'btw this is also noted and mentioned in the TPU review that the Golden cove cores are so much faster tha its not your average quad core'

I have this CPU since 2022 February and its been a very positive experience for me, no stutters in any game I play nor while general everyday use of my system.
This is not the first time I'm using a i3 and I never found those claims to be true for the average user, not everyone is a power user.
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Well, I am not saying it is not positive, but that it may not be optimal today, and definitely not later down the road.

However, there are exceptions. Simulation titles such as Cities Skylines or Microsoft Flight Simulator require a lot more cores than just four.
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Many games will run just fine on a quad core processor, including some modern triple-A titles. But if you want to squeeze out as many FPS as possible, particularly if you have a lot of background applications running at the same time, then you may need to go for a higher core count.
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Is a Quad Core Processor Good for Gaming? - PC Guide 101

My own experience says - always invest as much money as possible on a faster - more capable CPU - because it is more future-proof.

People pay 1000 euros for a simple phone, so why not change a 100-euro CPU for a 300-euro CPU, and keep your thoughts and mind in peace.
 
GerKNG said:
i hope we can buy a non e core K chip this time... it's a waste that you have to disable half the CPU (8 e cores, iGPU) just to get decent overclocking performance and in some cases drastically higher gaming performance.
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Does it make that much difference with the E cores disabled?
 
ARF said:
Well, I am not saying it is not positive, but that it may not be optimal today, and definitely not later down the road.





Is a Quad Core Processor Good for Gaming? - PC Guide 101

My own experience says - always invest as much money as possible on a faster - more capable CPU - because it is more future-proof.

People pay 1000 euros for a simple phone, so why not change a 100-euro CPU for a 300-euro CPU, and keep your thoughts and mind in peace.
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And my own experience and use case says the opposite so its going nowhere.
I rather trust that and TPU's review + Steve @GamersNexus.

I guess if you are not a budget-mid range user like me you can't really understand this, I had a R5 1600X since 2018 and I had zero need of the 12 threads but the IPC/single thread performance was lackluster in some games I play and it caused issues.
Thats why I have this Alder lake i3 cause it was a significant upgrade in that regard, some games that rely on single thread almost doubled my fps and removed all of the stutters. 'Lost Ark for example'
 
Tigger said:
Sweet at least means i can keep my nice board and Mem for another CPU upgrade.
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Been thinking of flipping my 5950X + Strix B550-E and buying that board (Strix Z690-A D4) plus a 13900KS. It'll depend on how much faster it is, and if it ends up being worth it at all. My amazing B-die Dominator Platinums aren't about to be retired any time soon. :toast:
 
Dr. Dro said:
Been thinking of flipping my 5950X + Strix B550-E and buying that board (Strix Z690-A D4) plus a 13900KS. It'll depend on how much faster it is, and if it ends up being worth it at all. My amazing B-die Dominator Platinums aren't about to be retired any time soon. :toast:
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Just be sure that your CPU cooler fits on that motherboard.
 
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