Real Performance of the RTX 50 Series (Without DLSS 4, According to Nvidia)

[Ibotibo01]

Today, Nvidia updated their pages with new performance data. The results for the 80/70 series are underwhelming, but I’ve included additional performance data from Far Cry 6 and A Plague Tale: Requiem for context.
(Left to Right: Resident Evil 4, Horizon Forbidden West, Far Cry 6, A Plague Tale: Requiem)


RTX 5070 vs RTX 4070

RTX 5070 = RTX 4070+29% (With performance data averaged over four games.)

RTX 5070 Ti vs RTX 4070 Ti

RTX 5070 Ti = RTX 4070 Ti+29.5% (With performance data averaged over four games.)

RTX 5080 vs RTX 4080

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RTX 5080 = RTX 4080+24% (With the average of 4 games)

RTX 5090 vs RTX 4090

RTX 5090 = RTX 4090+34% (With performance data averaged over four games.)

Overall, we observe greater performance differences in games when DLSS (upscaling) and ray tracing (RT) are enabled simultaneously. However, if Nvidia used more polished data, the average performance could be up to 5% lower in such cases

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[Vayra86]

Fun fact, there is not a SINGLE set of bars up there that just shows us non-RT raster performance.

If they just boosted the RT part of the config, you might be looking at a complete standstill and perhaps 10-15% from clocks alone. The absence of those numbers seems to be pointing in that direction, if you ask me.

Also lol. 'Full RT', what the AF is that? Some weird mix between it could be PT, could be not?

 

[dirtyferret]

also videocardz had this story up yesterday

NVIDIA official GeForce RTX 50 vs. RTX 40 benchmarks: 15% to 33% performance uplift without DLSS Multi-Frame Generation - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA shows more RTX 50 performance figures The next-generation GPU architecture explained a bit more. NVIDIA has disclosed new performance figures for the RTX 50 series, including non-DLSS benchmarks. Unfortunately, those looking for non-ray tracing, pure raster performance data will have to...

videocardz.com

 

[dgianstefani]

Fun fact, there is not a SINGLE set of bars up there that just shows us non-RT raster performance.

If they just boosted the RT part of the config, you might be looking at a complete standstill and perhaps 10-15% from clocks alone. The absence of those numbers seems to be pointing in that direction, if you ask me.

Also lol. 'Full RT', what the AF is that? Some weird mix between it could be PT, could be not?

Full RT was defined when CP2077 Phantom Liberty Path Tracing update released in 2023.

Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty Benchmark Performance Review - 25+ GPUs Tested

The Phantom Liberty expansion brings big improvements to Cyberpunk 2077 and adds an exciting new story line. The game also gets support for DLSS 3.5 and Path Tracing. In our performance review, we're taking a closer look at image quality, VRAM usage, and performance on a wide selection of modern...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Vayra86]

Full RT was defined when CP2077 Phantom Liberty Path Tracing update released in 2023.

Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty Benchmark Performance Review - 25+ GPUs Tested

The Phantom Liberty expansion brings big improvements to Cyberpunk 2077 and adds an exciting new story line. The game also gets support for DLSS 3.5 and Path Tracing. In our performance review, we're taking a closer look at image quality, VRAM usage, and performance on a wide selection of modern...

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Cute. Until nvidia launches another bullshit upsell term. Pretty cool when you get to decide what terms mean and then use them to mislead your audience full time. So we have how many Nvidia layers on top of DX12 ultimate now? Keep in mind they need to sell 6000 series, too, not too long from now, let's see what they've introduced by then.

 

[Bomby569]

the 5080 it's not great, the others are ok, and if MFG can help even better, i just hope prices come down

 

[mb194dc]

You can see from the specs there's little uplift other than for the 5090. So it shouldn't surprise.

Normal rendering is conquered pretty much. No reason to upgrade just for that. Which is why Nvidia push RT and upscaling.

The rapid generational progress between generations from 2000-2022 looks pretty over.

 

[Zazigalka]

Weeeeaaaak

 

[evernessince]

Cute. Until nvidia launches another bullshit upsell term. Pretty cool when you get to decide what terms mean and then use them to mislead your audience full time. So we have how many Nvidia layers on top of DX12 ultimate now? Keep in mind they need to sell 6000 series, too, not too long from now, let's see what they've introduced by then.

It's always the same song and dance. New products are coming and all of a sudden all your current stuff is no longer good. Nvidia is more than happy to show you the artifacts introduced by DLSS when it comes to selling you new cards. Wash, rinse, and repeat.

 

[AsRock]

Full RT was defined when CP2077 Phantom Liberty Path Tracing update released in 2023.

Cyberpunk 2077: Phantom Liberty Benchmark Performance Review - 25+ GPUs Tested

The Phantom Liberty expansion brings big improvements to Cyberpunk 2077 and adds an exciting new story line. The game also gets support for DLSS 3.5 and Path Tracing. In our performance review, we're taking a closer look at image quality, VRAM usage, and performance on a wide selection of modern...

www.techpowerup.com

But kinda says Full ReTard.

Believe any thing of this your a fool, better to wait for real results if you have the money or not. Either way not interested in buying a GPU with a rubber seal as seals tend to fail sooner or later and as seen as were talking liquid metal it's a big nope.

 

[R0H1T]

Full RT was defined when CP2077 Phantom Liberty Path Tracing update released in 2023.

Just because JHH wants to sell you a slideshow, it doesn't mean the game's doing full-on real-time RT

 

[Macro Device]

Want full-on real-time RT, just turn away from whatever device you're using to access interweb and witness real life. At whatever FPS your eyes and brain can ever process.

What we see in games is just a demo version for a demo version, everything is blurred, slurred and distorted, it's truly far, far away from real life lighting and movement. The Brainporium logo is still broken in CP77 btw, it clearly shows up red and static in that reflection despite changing its colours and fill.

Not to devalue any of that, it's just not to be called FULL RT by any mean. This is a cool feature and I'm gonna be happy to see more and more progress in this regard, just... The marketing is a tad too deceptive. Even for a monopolist.

Speaking non-RT performance, we clearly don't need much more raster speed than we already have. Of course more is better but standard graphics can run on a 500 dollar GPU just fine even at 4K, it's RT that pushes GPUs to their limits and overpowers them. And badly optimised game engines such as UE5, CryEngine and the likes.

That said, RTX 50 series is exactly what we could expect. Much more AI tuned, moderately more RT oriented and stagnant at pure raster. Nobody should expect serious improvements over Ada in rasterised activities anyway.

 

[kiddagoat]

So basically it is all rumor and suspicion based on vague 1st party information. These sorts of threads should be marked accordingly. Until there are reviews from independent 3rd parties, it is all FUD.

 

[mkppo]

Just reduce the stated numbers by a few % for obvious reasons and you have 5070 = 7900GRE in raster.

So much for 5070 = 4090 claims and all those who claimed nvidia will have 50% generational uplift or whatever. I mean nvidia have done this for a few generations now by showing results that aren't directly comparable and misleading at best just so they can claim their 3/4x performance increases. Standard stuff.

5090 looks like the only interesting one of the bunch simply because that massive bandwidth lends well to non-gaming workloads and should also help remove 4090's bandwidth bottleneck entirely.