Rocksolid upgrade tip: Mobos and m2 ssd price-performance

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Hello everyone now I've reached the end of the upgrade path of my AMD rig I only have to replace the motherboard and the cpu. The machine will be intended for general use in order from highest to lowest Web/audio-video/office-writing/gaming if the ryzen7 9800x3d will be decent, less fragile than the 7800x3d and above all with a more uniform load on the CCDs and greater power in productivity during black friday I think I'll take it the dilemma here is to buy a card that lasts over time and future-proof with a 10gbit, Maybe with the primary M2 slot next to memory like the Asrock, but only the B650E, so now we all know that the x870e are out of the question so there is very little left to discuss. The options for a durable and solid x670e are MSI x670E ACE or Gigabyte Extreme. Now I could also put aside the need for the slot near the memories with the gigabyte since it would have other inviting features such as no usb4 (consumes lanes unnecessarily), dts-x support(using an av), back plate, 3pci and much more. The godlike is too expensive so it's out of the question and the Asus that I used to love has now changed a lot and I don't like it anymore that they don't have full support for win10
I'm new and I've learned a lot lately about m2 format SSDs, but in the jungle it's not easy to extricate yourself, for example, there are advantages to using a pci5 to boot??? And despite the fact that it heats up a lot, used only for the operating system, is the risk of throttling low or is it instead wasted money? In case I set my sights on the Kaze by cooler master(Hate small fans). I would like to add 2 ssd m2 a Slc Corsair mp700 pro for booting and another for programs/games 2/4 Tb like WD Black850x, the backup would go to one of the 2.5 I use now and to the 3.5 for archive

 

[yfn_ratchet]

If I were to keep things summarized in concise points:

• Using PCIe 5.0 drives has some amount of effect on boot times, yes, but oft not enough to justify the expense. The choice between gen 4 and gen 5 is up to whether you need sustained bandwidth in whatever workload you use. High-fidelity video is one example. For an OS drive, I would instead look at access times and durability, especially if you have an aggressive swap policy.
• Heat issues related to gen 5 drives are based primarily on the initial controllers that surfaced with the market; newer revisions to drives or newly-released models still require a heat spreader but do not suffer as much. The risk of throttling is low for general OS use, provided it's not bare naked.
  • Side note, the Kaze seems like marketing more than performance. Direct airflow/active coolers are really the only way to keep those things consistently cool, so if you want quiet that badly I would suggest going for a large passive heatsink (Thermalright has a decent selection) or liquid.

Your idea is pretty sound besides that. Always good to have a backup ready to go. I would also have my basic system/sentimental files backed up on a different system (so a NAS essentially) or to a cloud provider, but that's just me.

 

[MCH170]

there are advantages to using a pci5 to boot?

It's faster than gen 4 but with diminishing returns in real applications.

is the risk of throttling low or is it instead wasted money?

I imagine you have to hit it pretty hard with a sustained load to get it to throttle. Any heatsink (your motherboard may even have one for it) will certainly help.

2/4 Tb like WD Black850x

My 2TB SN850X has been my boot drive for 2 years, it's been great so far.

 

[Code3]

If I were to keep things summarized in concise points:

• Using PCIe 5.0 drives has some amount of effect on boot times, yes, but oft not enough to justify the expense. The choice between gen 4 and gen 5 is up to whether you need sustained bandwidth in whatever workload you use. High-fidelity video is one example. For an OS drive, I would instead look at access times and durability, especially if you have an aggressive swap policy.
• Heat issues related to gen 5 drives are based primarily on the initial controllers that surfaced with the market; newer revisions to drives or newly-released models still require a heat spreader but do not suffer as much. The risk of throttling is low for general OS use, provided it's not bare naked.
  • Side note, the Kaze seems like marketing more than performance. Direct airflow/active coolers are really the only way to keep those things consistently cool, so if you want quiet that badly I would suggest going for a large passive heatsink (Thermalright has a decent selection) or liquid.

Your idea is pretty sound besides that. Always good to have a backup ready to go. I would also have my basic system/sentimental files backed up on a different system (so a NAS essentially) or to a cloud provider, but that's just me.

Thanks for the advice, I imagine that until better controllers come out, also given the idle consumption and therefore the accumulated heat I will take 2 WD for the moment even if the heat management seems better with models like the 990 pro or solidigm p44 at a higher cost

 

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It's faster than gen 4 but with diminishing returns in real applications.


I imagine you have to hit it pretty hard with a sustained load to get it to throttle. Any heatsink (your motherboard may even have one for it) will certainly help.


My 2TB SN850X has been my boot drive for 2 years, it's been great so far.

Do you have a tip on choosing a motherboard? Do you think I chose well between the msi and gigabyte?

 

[MCH170]

Do you have a tip on choosing a motherboard? Do you think I chose well between the msi and gigabyte?

I have owned a budget msi board and a more expensive gigabyte (current one). I haven't had any issues worth mentioning with either. Since you are considering a 9000 series CPU but not going with X870E motherboard, I would look for a motherboard that has a bios flash button, which both of your choices have, they seem solid choices.

 

[Code3]

I have owned a budget msi board and a more expensive gigabyte (current one). I haven't had any issues worth mentioning with either. Since you are considering a 9000 series CPU but not going with X870E motherboard, I would look for a motherboard that has a bios flash button, which both of your choices have, they seem solid choices.

Yes, apparently the new x870e are not well seen in general, in fact even for me it seems a waste of lanes those double usb4 ports at an increased expense for a higher speed support, but in the case of gigabytes for example without an effective support of the new ram coming soon

 

[Harlow]

and future-proof with a 10gbit

You may be restricting your list of suitable motherboards if you include on-board 10GbE. I gave up back in 2022 and fitted a separate PCIe network card in a new build. I run a mixture of Asus XG-C100C RJ45 Copper NICs (expensive with temperamental Windows drivers) and SFP+ fibre optic (cheap second-hand Solarflare SFN7122 cards). You'll need a 10GbE switch and they can be expensive. 2.5Gbps is fine for most hard disk file transfers, but M.2 NVMe transfers between PCs run faster in 10GbE. I have an old Netgear XS508M switch upstairs and a Mikrotik CRS305 downstairs (both 10Gbps).

https://www.servethehome.com/the-ul...ers-guide-netgear-ubiquiti-qnap-mikrotik-qct/

Asus that I used to love has now changed a lot and I don't like it anymore that they don't have full support for win10

Well, that's annoying. I'm sticking with Windows 10 until October 2025. Lack of hardware support happened when Windows XP and 7 went EOL. What specific chipsets/functions are no longer supported in Win 10 by Asus?

from highest to lowest Web/audio-video/office-writing/gaming if the ryzen7 9800x3d

If gaming is lowest priority, wouldn't it be better to get a non-X3D CPU, e.g. for video production/editing? Admittedly, your GPU should be shouldering any OpenGL/CL tasks.

advantages to using a pci5 to boot???

I think my Asus X670E board allows Gen.5 M.2 NVMe or Gen.5 GPU operation, but not both due to Lane Sharing. I'm perfectly happy with Gen.4 NVMe and GPU. I doubt you'd see much improvement with a Gen.5 boot drive. Shaving a few seconds off boot times is probably not worth it. The only time a Gen.5 might be worth considering is for use in 4K UHD video editing (swap disk).

Do you have a tip on choosing a motherboard?

Only you know what's best for you, but I pay particular attention to the number and placement of PCIe slots, their physical lengths and lane allocations. I dislike boards with "valuable" PCIe slots too close to the GPU, if it's likely to hide them.

In addition to a GPU, I usually add a 10GbE plug-in NIC and an LSI SAS (Serial Attached SCSI) card for my LTO tape streamer or extra hard disks. The X670E is a good compromise between a B650 and an X870E. My last two mobos have both been Asus (3800X and 7950X systems) and I've had no problems with them (so far). I've also used Gigabyte, MSI, Asrock, Intel and SuperMicro motherboards, with no favourites.

it would have other inviting features such as no usb4

Does that mean you don't want USB4?

 

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You may be restricting your list of suitable motherboards if you include on-board 10GbE. I gave up back in 2022 and fitted a separate PCIe network card in a new build. I run a mixture of Asus XG-C100C RJ45 Copper NICs (expensive with temperamental Windows drivers) and SFP+ fibre optic (cheap second-hand Solarflare SFN7122 cards). You'll need a 10GbE switch and they can be expensive. 2.5Gbps is fine for most hard disk file transfers, but M.2 NVMe transfers between PCs run faster in 10GbE. I have an old Netgear XS508M switch upstairs and a Mikrotik CRS305 downstairs (both 10Gbps).

https://www.servethehome.com/the-ul...ers-guide-netgear-ubiquiti-qnap-mikrotik-qct/

Well, that's annoying. I'm sticking with Windows 10 until October 2025. Lack of hardware support happened when Windows XP and 7 went EOL. What specific chipsets/functions are no longer supported in Win 10 by Asus?


If gaming is lowest priority, wouldn't it be better to get a non-X3D CPU, e.g. for video production/editing? Admittedly, your GPU should be shouldering any OpenGL/CL tasks.


I think my Asus X670E board allows Gen.5 M.2 NVMe or Gen.5 GPU operation, but not both due to Lane Sharing. I'm perfectly happy with Gen.4 NVMe and GPU. I doubt you'd see much improvement with a Gen.5 boot drive. Shaving a few seconds off boot times is probably not worth it. The only time a Gen.5 might be worth considering is for use in 4K UHD video editing (swap disk).


Only you know what's best for you, but I pay particular attention to the number and placement of PCIe slots, their physical lengths and lane allocations. I dislike boards with "valuable" PCIe slots too close to the GPU, if it's likely to hide them.

In addition to a GPU, I usually add a 10GbE plug-in NIC and an LSI SAS (Serial Attached SCSI) card for my LTO tape streamer or extra hard disks. The X670E is a good compromise between a B650 and an X870E. My last two mobos have both been Asus (3800X and 7950X systems) and I've had no problems with them (so far). I've also used Gigabyte, MSI, Asrock, Intel and SuperMicro motherboards, with no favourites.


Does that mean you don't want USB4?

If I look through the asus drivers from the x870e it seems to no longer have support for win10 and I have already read complaints about it from several users, not to mention the messes they made on the vcore in the first bios of the x670e that fried several CPUs. In short, after almost 15 years still the x79pro I use now still serves well, despite some aches and pains it continues to go I doubt that even today the entry level of asus is so robust and in any case even before they lost support after a while, mine was left with a beta bios and then forgotten. I would like to have as much integrated as possible in order to leave the other pci free in view then if I need space of a good controller for additional m2 for additional space and for the cpu I did not like at all the latest amd outputs among the inter CCD latencies I still prefer a cpu that consumes less those only "x" go up in clock heat up and consume too much so in my opinion I will wait zen 6 for that. Now if I'm right the best choice It will be the ryzen 7 9800x3d if I'm right it will be a good compromise not so much for improved performance compared to the 7800x3d but a more balanced cpu that does almost everything well without heating up too much and without consuming a nuclear power plant. The Usb4 ports I am afraid that as it was for the usb 3 2x2 will be useful in many years and for now it does not seem logical to me since amd already has few lanes to waste them for something that I will not use for a long time, the pcix4 could be an option if it were needed in the future as now I have every port occupied by a 2.5Gb a usb2x2 and an additional sound card

 

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It's faster than gen 4 but with diminishing returns in real applications.


I imagine you have to hit it pretty hard with a sustained load to get it to throttle. Any heatsink (your motherboard may even have one for it) will certainly help.


My 2TB SN850X has been my boot drive for 2 years, it's been great so far.

Okay I'll take a quality/price like a 2 TB because more TBW than the 1 TB version for booting and the 4 TB version for programs I'll see at that time which will be cheaper if SN850 or 990pro.
Thank you

• Side note, the Kaze seems like marketing more than performance. Direct airflow/active coolers are really the only way to keep those things consistently cool, so if you want quiet that badly I would suggest going for a large passive heatsink (Thermalright has a decent selection) or liquid.

If you have to pass me a link with tests for Kaze, I haven't found any, it seems to me at least an innovative idea for a passive heatsink, but in the absence of tests I wouldn't come to hasty conclusions, for sure the double-sided design is a novelty compared to the usual towers that are efficient yes but cumbersome and really unwatchable

 

[yfn_ratchet]

If you have to pass me a link with tests for Kaze, I haven't found any, it seems to me at least an innovative idea for a passive heatsink, but in the absence of tests I wouldn't come to hasty conclusions, for sure the double-sided design is a novelty compared to the usual towers that are efficient yes but cumbersome and really unwatchable

AFAIK no one has their hands on one, but the only thing going for it is that 'vapor chamber' design which is not very far removed from standard heat pipe construction. What worries me is the needless plastic shroud and lacking surface area for the fins. While this thing can take heat away very quickly for sure (even if the whole idea of cooling both sides doesn't mean much when the top-facing controller is responsible for the vast majority of the heat), it can't dissipate it very quickly at all and would heat soak like any underbuilt cooler. More importantly than anything else, they have yet to show any numbers to prove its worth.

As is, the towers shouldn't be a concern if you're deciding to roll back to a gen 4 drive as your OS drive. Any basic heat spreader + thermal pad will do the trick to keep that thing running full-bore.

 

[kapone32]

From what I have read the OP is looking for something like my current main rig. That uses the X670E E Strix. You can actually put 4 5.0 drives if you use an adapter card in the 2nd slot. You can also use another adapter card in the 3rd slot for Pcie 4.0 support for M2. The Ace is that and more but costs a cool $1000 where I live. The Carbon is pretty much the same board but not as pretty or expensive.

 

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From what I have read the OP is looking for something like my current main rig. That uses the X670E E Strix. You can actually put 4 5.0 drives if you use an adapter card in the 2nd slot. You can also use another adapter card in the 3rd slot for Pcie 4.0 support for M2. The Ace is that and more but costs a cool $1000 where I live. The Carbon is pretty much the same board but not as pretty or expensive.

Nice shot, you got it right, in the pciex4 I intend to put an expansion ssd card with a good pcie3 x8 controller if I need it in the future. So 3 pci ports are essential, but the carbon you are referring to is the x670e right? not the x870e I say right? Also here the "Ace" costs 800 damn, the Gigabyte extreme 100 less that's the reason for the propensity to choose Gigabyte of which I only have experience with vga never with anything else, it is always difficult when we talk about niche products to have solid evidence

 

[kapone32]

Nice shot, you got it right, in the pciex4 I intend to put an expansion ssd card with a good pcie3 x8 controller if I need it in the future. So 3 pci ports are essential, but the carbon you are referring to is the x670e right? not the x870e I say right? Also here the "Ace" costs 800 damn, the Gigabyte extreme 100 less that's the reason for the propensity to choose Gigabyte of which I only have experience with vga never with anything else, it is always difficult when we talk about niche products to have solid evidence

Well isn't that funny. I have the WD AN1500 in that exact slot. It has a Marvell controller on it's PCB. That runs RAID 0 naturally. So even though the slot is wired at x4. The controller is sill happy to give me great performance. It is also the fastest NAND with Direct Storage Games I meant X670E indeed but also as a watchout for the X870E Carbon. MB prices have gone insane at the top end. Gigabyte are better but may still have little Gremlins. As an example there was a bug on Gigabyte boards that when you updated the BIOS, you needed to remove the Battery and reinsert it to get picture back.

Nice shot, you got it right, in the pciex4 I intend to put an expansion ssd card with a good pcie3 x8 controller if I need it in the future. So 3 pci ports are essential, but the carbon you are referring to is the x670e right? not the x870e I say right? Also here the "Ace" costs 800 damn, the Gigabyte extreme 100 less that's the reason for the propensity to choose Gigabyte of which I only have experience with vga never with anything else, it is always difficult when we talk about niche products to have solid evidence

If you want X870E the only board with good PCIe support is the X870E Taichi. It is also a little cheaper. The Taichi LIte is a nice board.

 

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If you want X870E the only board with good PCIe support is the X870E Taichi. It is also a little cheaper. The Taichi LIte is a nice board.

Yes, the taichi was a good card, already the x670e offered usb4 (which I don't know what to do with it), but only the b650 has the main pcie near the memories. The others, x870e included do not and provides a heatsink with an obnoxious small fan, but not providing 3 pcie ports is not the best. How bios is better off from what you say than the gigabyte according to you? Even if the DTS-X support is tempting since I'm an old school one with an av on s/pdif output and today finding a support is increasingly difficult I think that in the future if I don't want to occupy pcie I'll have to get an external sound card unfortunately

 

[kapone32]

Yes, the taichi was a good card, already the x670e offered usb4 (which I don't know what to do with it), but only the b650 has the main pcie near the memories. The others, x870e included do not and provides a heatsink with an obnoxious small fan, but not providing 3 pcie ports is not the best. How bios is better off from what you say than the gigabyte according to you? Even if the DTS-X support is tempting since I'm an old school one with an av on s/pdif output and today finding a support is increasingly difficult I think that in the future if I don't want to occupy pcie I'll have to get an external sound card unfortunately

I can't speak for modern Gigabyte BIOS but As Rock have always had the most Spartan BIOS files. Asus are the slickest and MSI might be the most featured. Gigabyte used to like to turn the voltage up on their boards but I have not used one recently. A sound card is one option. I will guarantee that you will be shocked at how well a USB DAC works for audio though and they can be much cheaper. I would also say that since ALC 1220 MB audio has been fine and much better than 893. The boards you are talking about come with 4082, a refined version of 1220. Dolby Atmos is my fave but I decided on the Creative Stage V2. A sound bar makes sense for a PC and the added subwoofer brings the music to the level of my 43" screen. I have my 10th Round AMS2 at Mt. Panorama to play as soon as I finish cleaning the bathroom. You are rigjht though they seem to think that SPDIF is not needed when that is the USB of Audio. I have Sony Reciever from like 2000 that has a Digital sound stage that is joy and through SPDIF any PC I have can take advantage of that.

 

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My old but infinite av I love it has seen 4 sets of speakers and it serves very well for 15 years when yamaha made quality av today they are really bad. I read the review asrock x870e what a disappointment I will have to choose between gigabyte extreme and have a compatibility with dts-x while it lasts and put aside to have a side m2 or buy an external sound card in addition to spending 100 more for the MSI ace I think. Or b560e taichi and decide to save money waiting for zen 6 or next decent intel (I think that the path taken by intel brings excellent future solutions) since this time I am now decided to try my first AMD system that now I already have the ram bought 3 months ago

 

[AusWolf]

Hello everyone now I've reached the end of the upgrade path of my AMD rig I only have to replace the motherboard and the cpu.

What about RAM?

less fragile than the 7800x3d

What does that mean?

I'm new and I've learned a lot lately about m2 format SSDs, but in the jungle it's not easy to extricate yourself, for example, there are advantages to using a pci5 to boot??? And despite the fact that it heats up a lot, used only for the operating system, is the risk of throttling low or is it instead wasted money? In case I set my sights on the Kaze by cooler master(Hate small fans). I would like to add 2 ssd m2 a Slc Corsair mp700 pro for booting and another for programs/games 2/4 Tb like WD Black850x, the backup would go to one of the 2.5 I use now and to the 3.5 for archive

PCI-e gen 5 doesn't offer any benefit that you could see outside of benchmark apps. The dilemma between B650 and X670 is about connectivity options. I'd say just get a board that has an adequate number of USB ports and PCI-e slots for your needs and call it a day.

 

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What about RAM?

I bought months ago the ram a DDR5-6000 cas 30

What does that mean?

It's a way of saying that having a little overclocking margin, it has been blocked because 3D Vertical Cache it Very sensitive to voltage changes (AMD claims that DDR5-6000 reaches the "sweetspot" as it is the highest MCLK that can be performed while maintaining some memory overclocker optimizations. On Zen 3 you would want to run Infinity Fabric in sync with memory, but this is no longer possible, because FCLK cannot reach 3000 MHz (assuming DDR5-6000 memory). Now the optimal configuration is to run FCLK at 2000, basically a 3:2 divisor. Selecting "auto" in the BIOS will automatically point to that setting. Above 6000 MHz, the strategy will be changed in a 2:1 ratio). No multiplier-based overclocking, Lower clocks than other Zen 4 CPUs, Thermal limit lowered to 89°C "https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/2.html". If they are not these signs of fragility, I would not be able to explain it better.
I imagine the 9800X3D will be more forgiving as the 9000 series is more solid overall, but we will see.

PCI-e gen 5 doesn't offer any benefit that you could see outside of benchmark apps. The dilemma between B650 and X670 is about connectivity options. I'd say just get a board that has an adequate number of USB ports and PCI-e slots for your needs and call it a day.

On this, you can count on me to definitely do

 

[AusWolf]

I bought months ago the ram a DDR5-6000 cas 30

Ah I see.

It's a way of saying that having a little overclocking margin, it has been blocked because 3D Vertical Cache it Very sensitive to voltage changes (AMD claims that DDR5-6000 reaches the "sweetspot" as it is the highest MCLK that can be performed while maintaining some memory overclocker optimizations. On Zen 3 you would want to run Infinity Fabric in sync with memory, but this is no longer possible, because FCLK cannot reach 3000 MHz (assuming DDR5-6000 memory). Now the optimal configuration is to run FCLK at 2000, basically a 3:2 divisor. Selecting "auto" in the BIOS will automatically point to that setting. Above 6000 MHz, the strategy will be changed in a 2:1 ratio). No multiplier-based overclocking, Lower clocks than other Zen 4 CPUs, Thermal limit lowered to 89°C "https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/2.html". If they are not these signs of fragility, I would not be able to explain it better.
I imagine the 9800X3D will be more forgiving as the 9000 series is more solid overall, but we will see.

I think you're confusing something. FCLK always runs at 2000 MHz regardless of memory config. That's just how it is. It's the UCLK (memory controller) that gets synced up with your RAM clock 1:1 up to roughly 3000 MHz, and 1:2 above it (your mileage may vary depending on your memory config, your board, and your CPU sample).

Oh, and yes, the 7800X3D is pretty much a plug'n'play CPU in a sense that you pop it in, enable EXPO, make sure that SoC voltage stays at or below 1.3-1.35 V (preferably at 1.2), and that's that. No need for fancy cooling, no overclocking or other tweaking, just pure gaming power and max boost clocks out of the box. But I think it's a rather positive experience, to be fair. Kind of reminds me of quad-core Intel CPUs.

 

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Oh, and yes, the 7800X3D is pretty much a plug'n'play CPU in a sense that you pop it in, enable EXPO, make sure that SoC voltage stays at or below 1.3-1.35 V (preferably at 1.2), and that's that. No need for fancy cooling, no overclocking or other tweaking, just pure gaming power and max boost clocks out of the box. But I think it's a rather positive experience, to be fair. Kind of reminds me of quad-core Intel CPUs.

I agree, that's why I had patience and I'm convinced that this 9800x3d that will be released soon will be fantastic and just what I was looking for, you say well plug and play I absolutely do not want to overclock nor to pbo any of this I was in fact about to take yours, given the price increases I hesitated and I hope to have been rewarded (also thanks to intel of course) with this unexpected release I think my first experience with amd will be at least fantastic we will see if it will be long-lived as with intel with which I am used
As for the fragility it is just my opinion, I was also discouraged to see the messes around of asus and also of amd with unstable bios and several problems at launch it had been years since I saw so many fried CPUs
I would like to aim for a solid and durable configuration like mine that lasts another 10 years at least even if I understand that today it is difficult. Here is the main motivation of this thread.
Thank you for your time.

 

[kapone32]

I agree, that's why I had patience and I'm convinced that this 9800x3d that will be released soon will be fantastic and just what I was looking for, you say well plug and play I absolutely do not want to overclock nor to pbo any of this I was in fact about to take yours, given the price increases I hesitated and I hope to have been rewarded (also thanks to intel of course) with this unexpected release I think my first experience with amd will be at least fantastic we will see if it will be long-lived as with intel with which I am used
As for the fragility it is just my opinion, I was also discouraged to see the messes around of asus and also of amd with unstable bios and several problems at launch it had been years since I saw so many fried CPUs
I would like to aim for a solid and durable configuration like mine that lasts another 10 years at least even if I understand that today it is difficult. Here is the main motivation of this thread.
Thank you for your time.

For X3D make sure you get the best cooling you can find. I don't mean water cooling. AMD chips will run as fast as they can as long as they are within their heat envelope. Using a 360 AIO or something like a Thermaltake Peerless Assassin even a 360 from Thermaltake should be enough and nice and inexpensive too.

 

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For X3D make sure you get the best cooling you can find. I don't mean water cooling. AMD chips will run as fast as they can as long as they are within their heat envelope. Using a 360 AIO or something like a Thermaltake Peerless Assassin even a 360 from Thermaltake should be enough and nice and inexpensive too.

For now I think that as long as it doesn't give problems I'll continue to use this: Corsair iCUE H170i ELITE CAPELLIX XT 420mm which is behaving well I just have to see if it will be as quiet as now with an x3d, but I can always replace the fans with 3 noctua.
Thanks for the tip

 

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Hello gentlemen! Waiting for the 5090rtx my upgrade after an additional wait of 1 month for a doa motherboard, is completed I update my build and you can close this thread if you like. I take this opportunity to thank you for the advice you have given me and to make all of you in the management my heartfelt wishes for the Christmas holidays and for the coming new year