RTX 3070 Ti TDP and perfcap questions

[berkkocaturk]

Hello,
I didnt have a new nvidia gpu for a long time so this is all new to me. Finally upgraded my desktop with used 3070 Ti.

I have read online and flashed 3070 Ti suprim bios to increase power limit of my gpu from 290W to 310W stock plus 106% on msi afterburner (330W total)

I have overclock a bit +140 on core +500 on memory. at +600 on memory score did not improve on 3dmark and core overclock crashed cyberpunk even though it is stable on 3dmark.

But as i remember gpus used to hit power limit and that was the main factor i am not hitting power limit but gpu simple doesnt use all the 330w power limit it can use and i do not know why.

GPU-Z shows idle as perfcap reason how can i improve performance to the maximum of the cards capability

example gpu-z screenshot with cyberpunk 2077 is attached

Also is my cpu or ram bottlenecking the gpu?

3dmark: https://www.3dmark.com/spy/32269519

Thanks

Specs
intel 11400 stock cooler
2x8gb corsair 3200mhz cl16 ram running at xmp
msi 3070 ti ventus 8g oc
xigmatek xfp 1350w psu
512gb wd sn730 ssd
Windows 10 updated 22h2
nvidia 526.47 latest driver installed after ddu

 

[3x0]

PerfCap Idle usually means the CPU is limiting performance and the GPU still has room to boost. Try increasing game details or run different benchmarks to check.

 

[berkkocaturk]

PerfCap Idle usually means the CPU is limiting performance and the GPU still has room to boost. Try increasing game details or run different benchmarks to check.

How can i test it? I have attached 3dmark score when playing game cpu utilization is not high

 

[tabascosauz]

Are you sure something isn't up with the 11400? I know it's not exactly cutting edge but 8200 seems a little low. I don't know what an average CPU score for the 11400 is.

Your Suprim is clocking 50-80MHz higher than me generally (although I'm also only pulling like 250W at these settings), graphics score seems fine



As far as I can tell, however, Time Spy CPU test just runs all-core so the 11400 being a 6c clocked as low as it is, makes sense

As far as the 3070 Ti goes, honestly, I don't see much point in pushing more power. 290W is already pretty obscene for what it is (a 3070 with a 3080 power budget)

The way 3DMark factors CPU score into overall, I don't think it affects you nearly as much in real games

 

[berkkocaturk]

Are you sure something isn't up with the 11400? I know it's not exactly cutting edge but 8200 seems a little low. I don't know what an average CPU score for the 11400 is.

Your Suprim is clocking 50-80MHz higher than me generally (although I'm also only pulling like 250W at these settings)

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As far as I can tell, however, Time Spy CPU test just runs all-core so the 11400 being a 6c clocked as low as it is, makes sense

11400 is not the cutting edge but it is only a year old 6 core cpu with pcie gen 4 i thought it would be enough but because it is locked i can not overclock and test if that would improve things. For some reason even though 11th gen intel cpus are done since 12th and 13th gen are overperforming them at better prices.11th gen did not get cheap enough for me to upgrade. How can i test my cpu on games?

Also your cpu is very good and we have same gpu and 1440p monitor our results could be compared to each other thanks for helping me

 

[tabascosauz]

Unfortunately I don't play CP2077 so can't compare

If you have MW2 you could run the benchmark then I can run with same settings

Or you can look at some 3070 Ti reviews and see if you get reasonable performance compared to them, most probably tested with like 5950X/10900K/11900K.

imo you should be fine unless something is seriously borked with your settings

 

[berkkocaturk]

Unfortunately I don't play CP2077 so can't compare

If you have MW2 you could run the benchmark then I can run with same settings

Or you can look at some 3070 Ti reviews and see if you get reasonable performance compared to them, most probably tested with like 5950X/10900K/11900K.

imo you should be fine unless something is seriously borked with your settings

I am wondering about idle in gpuz does it mean it could do better? I do not have MW2. Thanks

 

[tabascosauz]

I am wondering about idle in gpuz does it mean it could do better? I do not have MW2. Thanks

No, idle perfcap reason in GPU-Z means nothing. iirc as long as you're not running completely stock (OC or changing V-F curve in any way), it'll always show idle. Same for mine in any games, GPU-Z does not read perfcap reasons properly, I run an undervolt curve. HWInfo shows the other perfcap reasons (although I don't know how accurate it is, I feel like perfcap is just broken for RTX 30)

 

[R-T-B]

GPU-Z does not read perfcap reasons properly

are we sure it's GPU-Z that makes the error? My bet is it just shows what the driver shows.

 

[tabascosauz]

are we sure it's GPU-Z that makes the error? My bet is it just shows what the driver shows.

GPU-Z always stuck on Idle/utilization, even at the same time when HWInfo is hitting the other perfcap flags.

But the reason I said not sure is because perfcap behaviour on 30 series often just doesn't make sense (e.g. Power flag tripped when at 60% utilization and like 50% of TDP, Thermal flag at just 50C). 20 series by comparison had pretty predictable perfcap behaviour. Maybe driver related, who knows

 

[R-T-B]

GPU-Z always stuck on Idle/utilization, even at the same time when HWInfo is hitting the other perfcap flags.

But the reason I said not sure is because perfcap behaviour on 30 series often just doesn't make sense (e.g. Power flag tripped when at 60% utilization and like 50% of TDP, Thermal flag at just 50C). 20 series by comparison had pretty predictable perfcap behaviour. Maybe driver related, who knows

Ghosts in the machine man...