RX 5700XT or spend more on RTX 2070 Super?

[Shou Miko]

First why I am creating this post is that I don't want to let my current GTX 1080 Ti FE Hybrid to just be a shelf item when Nvidia's Next gen card hits the marked and just dump the value of this card down hard on the second hand marked.

I always sold of my old hardware if it wasn't faulty to be able to buy new hardware because I don't have all the money and the world.

This time around is a bit of a different story because a new colleague at work want to buy my GTX 1080 FE Hybrid for about £400 and since I have to work with the guy that price is fine for me.

Earlier I helped him out upgrading his old Intel i5 4gen system to a AMD Ryzen 3gen because the value is just better with a B450 board over upgradeing to a older Intel i7 4gen cpu.

For now he got a GTX 970 4GB so this card would be a pretty good upgrade for him even when he games at 1080p.


Personally I been concidering a RX 5700 XT or a RTX 2070 Super and a big thanks to @W1zzard for all his graphics card reviews they really are handy and awesome so I don't have to go other prices to compare difference sources and test systems.

I am gaming in 1440p with a 165hz G-Sync monitor right now and I been planing on another monitor some times but that means I have to go from this 24inch TN to 27inch Nano-IPS and the size just doesn't fit me that well.

I know that can use this with AMD on current monitor but not the G-Sync feature but that doesn't make me look away from the RX 5700 XT and just focus on the RTX 2070 Super

I looking at reviews of the Sapphire RX 5700 XT and MSI RTX 2070 Super they trade blows and specially in Battlefield V where the RX 5700XT just runs away from the RTX 2070 Super and leaves the GTX 1080 Ti in the dust not like the RTX 2070 Super just being a little faster then the GTX 1080 Ti:

I hope the RX 5700 XT will be the same story for older games that I play sometimes like Mafia 2, Mafia 3, Grand Theft Auto 3, Vice City and IV (I just completed the main story for IV) there is also Project Cars 2, Crash Bandicoot and Spyro plus new games that will come out.

So looking the Sapphire RX 5700 XT Pulse it looks to be better value compared to the MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming Z Trio depending on the different games but also money wise the Sapphire RX 5700 XT Pulse card is about £130 or a so cheaper than the MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming Z Trio card and the RX 5700 XT comes with a gaming bundle I seen been sold off for like £23 which just makes the card cost under £400 .

The local prices currently in my country are better than around europe because the shipping price ruins the deals:
Sapphire RX 5700 XT Pulse is priced at £412
MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming Z Trio is priced at £542

The last but not least is there anything I been to be aware of when it comes to AMD graphics? I know the drivers are a different story then Nvidia's drivers but that's life and I am sorry for my english it's not my native language...

 

[HD64G]

B4b wise, RX5700 series is by far the best for gamers atm. Drivers have some problems, not serious though. And In December there will be the annual release of new features for AMD newer GPUs and some might work for all CGNs. As you can see I have the Pulse RX5700 and it is great, even heavily bottlenecked by my FX8350. An upgrade to at least a Ryzen 2600X is considered already.

 

[Shou Miko]

@HD64G if you check my specs I got a AMD Ryzen 9 3900X so I don't need a upgrade and I don't want the extra heavy price of the X570 chipset and the performance of PCI-E 3.0 vs 4.0 ain't major for the RX 5700 XT from what I seen.

So unless there is something special connecting the RX 5700 XT into a PCI-E 4.0 port it's not worth it with a X570 chipset board.

 

[ASOT]

Since u are in gsync area go with RTX

 

[Shou Miko]

Since u are in gsync area go with RTX

No thank you sir because if I need something there it needs to be the RTX 2080 Super to comfortably beat the RX 5700 XT and the RTX 2070 Super and that's even more money and I don't want to give Nvidia that money so they can laugh all the way to the bank with them.

 

[AlienIsGOD]

so I don't need a upgrade

i think he was referring to himself in that case.

on topic, RTX if you want Gsync and RX 5700XT if you dont want to spend the extra $$$. I too have a 5700 Pulse and its a great card @ 1440P.

 

[EarthDog]

No thank you sir because if I need something there it needs to be the RTX 2080 Super to comfortably beat the RX 5700 XT and the RTX 2070 Super and that's even more money and I don't want to give Nvidia that money so they can laugh all the way to the bank with them.

You are aware your thread title is asking about these two cards, right???

 

[P4-630]

Since you already have a G-Sync monitor, I'd say stay with nvidia.

 

[Shou Miko]

You are aware your thread title is asking about these two cards, right???

I know because price and performance wise RX 5700 XT makes for a better choice there than the RTX 2070 Super.

 

[Vayra86]

IMO, neither is a meaningful upgrade. More of a sidegrade with bonus points. I'd just sit on the 1080ti especially since its nicely cooled. Quality wise you will be taking a step back, for a very minor step forward in performance.

Realistically the high end performance cap is either at 1080ti levels (plus or minus OC) or you're right up there with the 2080ti's, also in price.

Wait.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Kinda depends on what games you play.




The RTX 2070 beats the 5700XT in more games but it really all depends on how much the extra performance is worth it to you... I think 2070 supers tend to overclock better than 5700 XT as well.

 

[EarthDog]

I know because price and performance wise RX 5700 XT makes for a better choice there than the RTX 2070 Super.

Right... but it was a option in the OP. If you knew this already, why make it a choice/option for others just to bunk that answer??? Lol..this should be a which 5700xt should I buy!!

Anyway, clearly the 5700xt would be a good choice if the primary game is bf v... but not many others. Enjoy!

 

[P4-630]

A more worthy upgrade would be a RTX2080 Super (or Ti) since you already have a 1080Ti.

 

[Sybaris_Caesar]

Drivers make it or break it in AMD's case. While I personally had no problem with the RX 470 I had for a short while, there are many different issues that frustrate people very much. So much so that people often just retyrn them.
There's game specific issues that also affect Nvidia sometimes. There's Freesync flickering issue that sometimes also affect Nvidia with Freesync. Then black screen issue when RX 5700 cards first came out. And worst of all, GPU or VRAM clock stuck at 300-400 MHz, basically the card bottlenecking itself.

Update MB bios, re-install Windows when changing GPU. Try updating to a newer build of Windows 10 too.

 

[Shou Miko]

A more worthy upgrade would be a RTX2080 Super (or Ti) since you already have a 1080Ti.

For a good RTX 2080 Super the price is about £742 for the X Trio version from MSI and I am not getting a Strix card by Asus because the cooling is just too loud on their models to my ears tried them in the past.

The RTX 2080 Super is £200 more then the RTX 2070 Super X Trio and £330 more then the RX 5700 XT Pulse.

Roughtly in performance summary depending on the game title of cause:

RTX 2080 Super is roughtly 20-26% faster then the RTX 2070 Super for £200.
RT 5700 XT is about 10-12% slower then the RTX 2070 Super but is also about £130 cheaper and if the gamle bundle can sell for £23 this makes it about £150 cheaper which is really good value.

@Khonjel black screen issues isn't something I heard or read a lot about with the RX 5700 XT, but I have heard it with Asus monitor's and Nvidia graphics cards had a GTX 980 Ti Poseidon by Asus that had black screen issues using DP and returned it and purchased something else.


I feel like I have boxed myself into a corner because this time around price matters a lot to me but I only been using Nvidia cards since the Radeon HD 5770 card I owned which is a while back.

 

[ASOT]

Why change from 1080ti to 5700xt since u have gsync ? what's wrong,dont make mistakes

 

[Shou Miko]

Why change from 1080ti to 5700xt since u have gsync ? what's wrong,dont make mistakes

I want to try something new and I don't want this card to be a sheif item next year when AMD and Nvidia lunch something better. (Properly just Nvidia lunch their RTX 30 series or name it NFU and give it a higher price and performance to just leaves the value of GTX 10 series in on the second hand marked to be shit.)

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Why change from 1080ti to 5700xt since u have gsync ? what's wrong,dont make mistakes

I didn't realize the OP had a 1080 ti both these cards are a waste of money.

 

[cucker tarlson]

people recommending a 5700xt over a liquid cooled 1080ti cause it's ..... best for gamers

I did something similar,but way earlier,when 2070 super launched.sold air cooled 1080ti trio,got air cooled 2070 super trio and two games.cost me zilch.the card is just as fast stock but I'm actually able to overclock it higher than 1080ti and keep it cooler and quieter at the same time.

If we're talking a liquid cooled 1080ti that's another case.I'd do it only if you're able to buy a new 2080 imo.that said,you should absolutely be able to and it'd be a pretty good deal.you'll gain some performance for sure though a CLC 1080ti will be quieter and cooler.IMO this all comes down to whether or not you want a turing instead of a pascal.In some new games turings really outperform pascal by a pretty big margin so such a switch is looking very promising for the future,if you play new games it already is.

as for the 5700xt,there's as many or even more games where it loses to 2060 super as there are those where it trades blows with 2070 super.

IMO go for 2080 if you can.

 

[Vayra86]

I want to try something new and I don't want this card to be a sheif item next year when AMD and Nvidia lunch something better. (Properly just Nvidia lunch their RTX 30 series or name it NFU and give it a higher price and performance to just leaves the value of GTX 10 series in on the second hand marked to be shit.)

A 1080ti is not a shelf item next year. If the whole stack moves up by 20-25% (I doubt 30 is in the cards given the slow crawl its gone into now) it still is a very relevant card, kinda in the same place the GTX 1080 I have is in today. My approach is the exact same as yours with GPUs. Don't let them turn into bottom-midrange/entry level cards before selling them. But again, next year, the card's still comfortably a midranger, worth easily 250 bucks. Heck they still do 350-400 today. Age wise, the 1080ti is also very easily sold a year from now - its out of warranty anyway, today or a year later.

I've made the decision to sit on the 1080 now because I have a similar problem that any move upwards is going to be equally costly and I'm not looking for higher performance atm. Pascal has been one of the best value-retaining generations in the past decade. And still is.

Bottom line, if you're doing this to be cost effective, the timing is wrong. If your upgrade itch weighs more heavily, by all means

 

[cucker tarlson]

selling 1080ti liquid and paying extra for 2070 super is a bad deal.

 

[Jetster]

You have a nice system, just dig a little deeper and go 2080 super

 

[Sybaris_Caesar]

The fact is 1080 Ti has value this year. Next year selling price will ofc decrease. So people pls read the OP and quit suggesting to stick with it. If he decides to sell RX 5700 XT next year, it'll fetch better resale price (than 1080 Ti), so on and so forth.

 

[Shou Miko]

@cucker tarlson the RTX 2080 is about the same bad value here as RTX 2080 Super and used once doesn't get on sale for a good price.

I am not the biggest OC myself and I usually just slide the power limit up for a more steady boost then using hours of testing if my GPU is stable.


Last time I tried oc my GTX 1080 Ti FE Hybrid I cranked up the power limit and did +130MHz on the GPU and mem of I don't really remember because I don't have the profile anymore.

 

[HD64G]

I would wait for the bigger Navi coming early 2020 probably.