RX 7700 XT with "low" FPS

[boss]

Hey everyone! Greetings from Brazil!

Well, I had an RX 7600 8GB ASRock Challenger OC, then I bought an RX 7700XT Dual Asus OC, and I've noticed that the FPS difference in the games I like to play is minimal, so I suspect there's a problem with my setup or something (I'm kind of a noob in this area).

Games I usually play: EA FC 24, NFS Heat, NFS Unbound, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora.

My setup:

- Ryzen 7 5700X
- Motherboard: TUF Gaming B550M-Plus
- Graphics card: RX 7700XT Asus Dual
- 32GB Corsair RAM
- MSI MAG A650BN

FPS in games:
- EA FC 24 (high): 188-198
- NFS Heat (high): 99-101
- NFS Unbound (high): 100-105
- Avatar: 77-100 (depending on the scene)

Is it normal for the FPS performance to be so similar between my old 7600 and the 7700XT? It feels like I'm not getting the most out of my graphics card.

Well, if you could help with any insights, I would be very happy. Thanks in advance.

 

[Noci]

In theory the RX 7700XT should be around 40% faster than the RX 7600

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-7700-XT-vs-AMD-RX-7600/m2184147vsm2114669

but that is with synthetic testing, not sure how that works out in real life gaming.

 

[eidairaman1]

Corsair ram is a pita on AM4, what speed is it?

 

[boss]

In theory the RX 7700XT should be around 40% faster than the RX 7600

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-7700-XT-vs-AMD-RX-7600/m2184147vsm2114669

but that is with synthetic testing, not sure how that works out in real life gaming.

I'm going crazy, I mean, it was an investment for me, and i feel like it wasn't worth it. Everything seems really off about this. I just installed the latest driver for the RX 7700XT and the temp (in EA FC 24) was 45º at 160-170 FPS. Is this really normal? Lower FPS than the RX 7600 and such a low temperature.

 

[boss]

Corsair ram is a pita on AM4, what speed is it?

3600 MHz

 

[oxrufiioxo]

They should be 40-50% apart assuming no cpu limitation which is what I suspect is going on with your setup and games you're trying to play.

Try running 3dmarks Timespy it's a free download for the demo version it'll tell you how your perfomance is vs similar setups.

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Post a screenshot after running it.

 

[boss]

They should be 40-50% apart assuming no cpu limitation which is what I suspect is going on with your setup and games you're trying to play.

Try running 3dmarks Timespy it's a free download for the demo version it'll tell you how your perfomance is vs similar setups.

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Post a screenshot after running it.

Alright, I'm gonna run this test. I admit I've never done these types of tests before. In theory, I just wait for the test to finish, and it will show me a performance report, right?

ps: Sorry for the newbie question.

 

[boss]

They should be 40-50% apart assuming no cpu limitation which is what I suspect is going on with your setup and games you're trying to play.

Try running 3dmarks Timespy it's a free download for the demo version it'll tell you how your perfomance is vs similar setups.

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Post a screenshot after running it.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Your 5700X seems to be running really slow or at least 3.5GHZ seems really low to me. Pretty much base clocks.

Motherboard should handle it fine so that's not it maybe try updating the bios if it's not the latest. Make sure it isn't in eco mode.

Also try running cinebench 2024

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Post your results. Single pass is fine no need to run the 10m loop.

 

[boss]

Your 5700X seems to be running really slow or at least 3.5GHZ seems really low to me. Pretty much base clocks.

Motherboard should handle it fine so that's not it maybe try updating the bios if it's not the latest. Make sure it isn't in eco mode.

Also try running cinebench 2024

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Maxon tools include C4D for 3D modeling, simulation and animation, ZBrush and Forger for 3D modeling, Red Giant tools for editing, motion design and…

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Post your results. Single pass is fine no need to run the 10m loop.

Do you recommend any procedures to improve the speed of the 5700X then? Is this the reason for the low FPS? I'll check the BIOS.

 

[Zazigalka]

NFS games arent that demanding in the first place, they're not a good indication of what a more capable GPU could do. You might be seeing 7700xt not hit full utilization in games like that. Also, od you're playing at 1080p your 5700x may not be enough to push it to 100% anyway. But 100fps is nothing to complain about so enjoy, but once you try a more demanding game the investment will pay off.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Do you recommend any procedures to improve the speed of the 5700X then? Is this the reason for the low FPS? I'll check the BIOS.

I'd use hwinfo64 sensors only to monitor clockspeed while running cinebench. I'd also update the bios... Run optimized defaults then enable XMP/DOCP. Then bench again.

 

[Toothless]

PBO enabled in bios?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

PBO enabled in bios?

Not sure it being disabled would lead to the cpu running at base clocks but enabling it if it's off is probably a good idea.

 

[boss]

I'd use hwinfo64 sensors only to monitor clockspeed while running cinebench. I'd also update the bios... Run optimized defaults then enable XMP/DOCP. Then bench again.

The BIOS is updated, I switched to optimized defaults, enabled DOCP and PBO.

Any more suggestions to improve the use of the RX 7700 XT? (FPS and improve the graphics score)

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Looks more in line with how it should perform, what was the average clocks?

 

[boss]

Looks more in line with how it should perform, what was the average clocks?

Is this 81º temperature concerning?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Is this 81º temperature concerning?

Not really, but better cooling is never a bad investment.

Maybe try your games and see how they perform now.

You are running 1000Mhz higher than before so either your bios was borked or a setting was enabled that limited you to base clocks perfomance should be improved.

 

[boss]

Not really, but better cooling is never a bad investment.

Maybe try your games and see how they perform now.

You are running 1000Mhz higher than before so either your bios was borked or a setting was enabled that limited you to base clocks perfomance should be improved.

I tested EA FC 24, and the improvement was slight, with FPS around 188-200.
Do you think the RX 7 5700X is limiting the GPU?

 

[AusWolf]

I tested EA FC 24, and the improvement was slight, with FPS around 188-200.
Do you think the RX 7 5700X is limiting the GPU?

If you had similar FPS with your settings before, then why the upgrade? I mean, you had 200-ish FPS, but you wanted more? Why?

At such high FPS, your CPU is more stressed than your GPU. GPU upgrades are meant for improving visual quality, not for making a trillion FPS out of a billion.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Maybe, but does your monitor support more than 180fps?

I'm not familiar with any games you play so not sure how they scale none look like games going beyond 120fps matters.

5700X3D is pretty cheap these days so could be an option I guess but as @AusWolf said your perfomance is already pretty good.

How you spend your money is your own business but if you do want higher fps potential an X3D chip is your best bet.

 

[boss]

If you had similar FPS with your settings before, then why the upgrade? I mean, you had 200-ish FPS, but you wanted more? Why?

At such high FPS, your CPU is more stressed than your GPU. GPU upgrades are meant for improving visual quality, not for making a trillion FPS out of a billion.

Makes sense, thanks for the clarification.

Maybe, but does your monitor support more than 180fps?

I'm not familiar with any games you play so not sure how they scale none look like games going beyond 120fps matters.

5700X3D is pretty cheap these days so could be an option I guess but as @AusWolf said your perfomance is already pretty good.

How you spend your money is your own business but if you do want higher fps potential an X3D chip is your best bet.

Thanks for the tip, buddy. Appreciate the help.

 

[Vya Domus]

You are saying the performance is similar but you didn't tell us what the FPS figures were for the 7600.

If a game is already running at 100+ FPS 40% more FPS is not gonna be life changing.

 

[Hyderz]

I suspect that you are running 1080p and the 7600 gpu already gave you well over 60fps and upgrading to the 7700xt probably didn’t feel any different during gaming but the numbers should be paint a different picture I doubt the 5700x cpu will bottleneck it a lot… should have kept the 7600 and upgrade to next gen …. Waste of money especially gpu prices are high