Ryzen 5800X overclock

[Jermelescu]

Hello,

I bought a Ryzen 5800X a year back and I continued getting WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR.
After a lot of trial and error I've managed to get over this issue by overclocking the CPU. Leaving it as it is would BSOD me from time to time.
Now, I have a Gigabyte B450 AORUS PRO and I have the settings in the images. I've seen a few OC tutorials for this processor, but the BIOS is different and I am not sure if the clocks and voltages are correct.
I'm not sure if I should overclock it to death or undervolt it.

Can someone please help me with this?
Thanks

PS: If anyone is wondering, I think I got a bad CPU since there are a few stories online about this error on this CPU. But on other mobos most say that it got fixed after BIOS updates, unfortunately on this one it did not.
Edit: I am using my PC mostly for browsing and some gaming, please take this into consideration too.

 

[damric]

Looks like Gigabutt board has the tRFC wrong if that's a Micron kit, which those 16-18-18 timings lead me to believe. Might need to manually set them.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Do you get BSOD with default mamory profile (not XMP)?

 

[Jermelescu]

Looks like Gigabutt board has the tRFC wrong if that's a Micron kit, which those 16-18-18 timings lead me to believe. Might need to manually set them.

I don't exactly know what you mean.

Do you get BSOD with default mamory profile (not XMP)?

Haven't tried, will give it a spin now and come back with the answer. Thanks!
Edit: My RAM is G.Skill Trident Z 16GB DDR4 3200MHz CL16 1.35v Dual Channel Kit
Edit2: I think I don't get BSOD anymore without XMP. How can I increase my frequency to 3200 without it?
Thanks!

 

[damric]

Unless that's Samsung B die, those timings are probably wrong for 3200MT/s and likely the problem. If that still doesn't make sense, then CLEAR CMOS.

 

[Jermelescu]

Unless that's Samsung B die, those timings are probably wrong for 3200MT/s and likely the problem. If that still doesn't make sense, then CLEAR CMOS.

Here are the readings for each stick. Where can I find some info on setting this RAM to 3200?
Thanks!

MEMORY MODULE
Manufacturer
G.Skill
Series
Trident Z
Part Number
F4-3200C16-8GTZB
Serial Number
Undefined
JEDEC DIMM Label
8GB 1Rx8 PC4-2133-UA1-11
Architecture
DDR4 SDRAM UDIMM
Speed Grade
DDR4-2133
Capacity
8 GB (8 components)
Organization
1024M x64 (1 rank)
Register Model
N/A
Manufacturing Date
Undefined
Manufacturing Location
Taipei, Taiwan
Revision / Raw Card
0000h / A1 (10 layers)

DRAM COMPONENTS
Manufacturer
Hynix
Part Number
H5AN8G8NCJR-TFC
Package
Standard Monolithic 78-ball FBGA
Die Density / Count
8 Gb C-die (Alius / 18 nm) / 1 die
Composition
1024Mb x8 (64Mb x8 x 16 banks)
Input Clock Frequency
1067 MHz (0.938 ns)
Minimum Timing Delays
15-15-15-36-50
Read Latencies Supported
16T, 15T, 14T, 13T, 12T, 11T, 10T
Supply Voltage
1.20 V
XMP Certified
1600 MHz / 16-18-18-38-56 / 1.35 V
XMP Extreme
Not programmed
SPD Revision
1.1 / September 2015
XMP Revision
2.0 / December 2013

FREQUENCY	CAS	RCD	RP	RAS	RC	FAW	RRDS	RRDL	WR	WTRS
1067 MHz	16	15	15	36	50	23	4	6	16	3
1067 MHz	15	15	15	36	50	23	4	6	16	3
933 MHz	14	13	13	31	44	20	4	5	14	3
933 MHz	13	13	13	31	44	20	4	5	14	3
800 MHz	12	11	11	27	38	17	3	5	12	2
800 MHz	11	11	11	27	38	17	3	5	12	2
667 MHz	10	10	10	22	32	14	3	4	10	2

FREQUENCY	CAS	RCD	RP	RAS	RC	FAW	RRDS	RRDL
1600 MHz	16	18	18	38	56	39	6	8

Version: 16.7.0.3 Build 0109

 

[Chrispy_]

It certainly looks like your board isn't picking sensible timings automatically.

I suggest you download the 1usmus DRAM calculator, export info for your 3200MHz kit from Thaiphoon Burner and import those into the calculator to use the SAFE preset which will generate all the timings for BIOS that should be stable (and fast).

I won't go into detail on the Ryzen DRAM calculator, there are plenty of YouYube guides or text guides in varying levels of detail that will do the job far better than I can; As long as the guide covers Thaiphoon's export and how to import those values into the 1usmus DRAM calculator, it will be fine.

 

[damric]

Yeah those are Hynix CJRs so I think once you get your timings set you'll be fine. The one that looks most suspicious is tRFC, but you'll need to figure them all out if you want to run at 3200MT/s. You could see if your board has a BIOS update that might fix the auto timings for that kit, but it appears as though your board thinks that's a Samsung B-die kit and it's not.

 

[Jermelescu]

Yeah those are Hynix CJRs so I think once you get your timings set you'll be fine. The one that looks most suspicious is tRFC, but you'll need to figure them all out if you want to run at 3200MT/s. You could see if your board has a BIOS update that might fix the auto timings for that kit, but it appears as though your board thinks that's a Samsung B-die kit and it's not.

Hey,

I have the latest BIOS version.
I'm not trying to reach a certain RAM frequency, just want to have good performance out of my PC.
I've googled some timings and stuff for my memory, but I don't really understand how anything works or how to set them.
In these 23 years of having PCs, apart from undervolting the GPU I haven't done much tinkering as I don't really need that extra few percent you can squeeze out of the components.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

In these 23 years of having PCs, apart from undervolting the GPU I haven't done much tinkering as I don't really need that extra few percent you can squeeze out of the components.

Those that find the need to tinker started in the same boat. As a gamer, I learned (the hard way) that all the games I play perform just fine with default settings. XMP (DOCP) might look good on paper, but thats about it.

 

[Haytham]

Please tell us here if you found a solution to this problem because I am facing almost the same Issue.

 

[Chrispy_]

Please tell us here if you found a solution to this problem because I am facing almost the same Issue.

Are your Crucial sticks stable with XMP off? (So running at whatever the non-XMP JEDEC rating is (probably 2400 or 2666)

If they Memtest86 as stable with stock JEDEC timings then manually setting correct, safe primary and secondary timings for them might do the trick, same method as mentioned earlier of Thaiphoon burner to export your RAM details and then import those details into the 1usmus DRAM calculator to auto-generate safe DDR4-3600 timings.

 

[ir_cow]

Why has no one suggested to manual enter the XMP values. Its easy enough to do.

 

[Haytham]

Are your Crucial sticks stable with XMP off? (So running at whatever the non-XMP JEDEC rating is (probably 2400 or 2666)

If they Memtest86 as stable with stock JEDEC timings then manually setting correct, safe primary and secondary timings for them might do the trick, same method as mentioned earlier of Thaiphoon burner to export your RAM details and then import those details into the 1usmus DRAM calculator to auto-generate safe DDR4-3600 timings.

Same Issue even with XMP off, It's run at 2666 without XMP

My PC never crash in idle only while I play games and not In short period I can play like 2 hours without Issues but suddenly happened, Ram Memtest86 stable with no errors with XMP

Also set the timings with DRAM calculator same Issue happened and changed the Ram kit with another one with XMP 3200 and stock 2133 same issue happened

I changed my motherboard to B550 Aorus Pro AX and It was Asus Tuf Gaming B450-m Pro S.

My new motherboard makes my PC more stable but also I face random restart but takes more time to happened than before with Asus

Also tried Curve optimizer Crash faster and never be stable at any values with Negative all core and per core too

I don't know what to do more than that

 

[Chrispy_]

Why has no one suggested to manual enter the XMP values. Its easy enough to do.

Because XMP is only primary timings and those already appear to be set correctly according to the screenshot.

 

[ir_cow]

Because XMP is only primary timings and those already appear to be set correctly according to the screenshot.

I believe the SPD contains the tRFC, tFAW and RDDS and RDDL values as well. A lot less work vs inputting Ryzen Calculator values that generally don't work.

I would just manually set it to 1.35v. DRAM-3200

Cas 16
RCF 18
RP 18
RAS 38
RC 56

tFAW 39 and leave RDDS/L on auto
tRFC so 631

Bam, done.

 

[Chrispy_]

I believe the SPD contains the tRFC, tFAW and RDDS and RDDL values as well. A lot less work vs inputting Ryzen Calculator values that generally don't work.

I would just manually set it to 1.35v. DRAM-3200

Cas 16
RCF 18
RP 18
RAS 38
RC 56

tFAW 39 and leave RDDS/L on auto
tRFC so 631

Bam, done.

Looks reasonable, but where did you get tRFC = 631?

I'm assuming there's a way to calculate it but I don't know how, which is why I always just use 1usmus calc. If there's an easier way to calculate secondary timings I'd love to know it, secondaries are something I barely understand, especially the tRFC2 and tRFC4 which 1usmus provides an additional calculator for in the third tab, but I'd be lying if I knew exactly how to use it.

His board already has 16-18-18-38-56 set correctly, so it's just the tRFC that's obviously wrong to me.

 

[Jermelescu]

Hello, everybody!

So, I did a CMOS reset, which I never did on this computer and it seems that it did the trick.
I let the default settings for the CPU and enabled the XMP profile for the RAM.
Played a lot these past few days and I haven't had a single BSOD, which would have happened previously after 30-60 minutes of CS or COD.

Thank you so much for your help and I learned a lot!
Have a great week ahead!

 

[Jermelescu]

Hello again!

It seems that it didn't work after all, now instead of a WHEA BSOD I get a black screen.
Will continue looking into your suggestions these following days, as I won't spend that much time on the PC.

 

[joemama]

Seems like RAM overclock is the only issue, if you want to keep that frequency, I would suggest first to try increasing the memory voltage, vccio voltage and vccsa voltage a bit and test it. If it doesn't work you should dig the timings which will be pretty complicated, or sacrifice some performance by lowering the frequency

 

[eidairaman1]

Hello, everybody!

So, I did a CMOS reset, which I never did on this computer and it seems that it did the trick.
I let the default settings for the CPU and enabled the XMP profile for the RAM.
Played a lot these past few days and I haven't had a single BSOD, which would have happened previously after 30-60 minutes of CS or COD.

Thank you so much for your help and I learned a lot!
Have a great week ahead!

Any time you build a machine or change ram, clear the cmos, load defaults and then enable xmp after a day of testing.

This is a Rule of thumb to avoid any configuration headaches, this is just like breadboarding.

23 years I have been doing this and it's been a good technique.

 

[zx128k]

The motherboard does not support the RAM kit. Both the memory manufactures website and motherboard manufacture QVL dont list the RAM kit. Only the Gigabyte x570 motherboard supports F4-3200C16-8GTZB and a Ryzen 3000 series cpu (from the memory manufactures website). I check both Vermeer and Matisse. This could mean that you cant get the RAM stable. This is the old BSOD overclocking guide and could be useful as a hint in what direction to go. Note this is old, like from 2011 approx.

BSOD code	Message	Action
0x124	WHEA_UNCORRECTABLE_ERROR	add/remove Vcore or IMC voltage (usually Vcore, once it was IMC)
0x101	CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT	add Vcore
0x50	PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA	RAM timings/Frequency, add ram or IMC voltage, or cache related
0x1E	KMODE_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED	add Vcore
0x3B	SYSTEM_SERVICE_EXCEPTION	add Vcore
0xD1	DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL	add IMC voltage
0x9C	MACHINE_CHECK_EXCEPTION	IMC most likely, but increasing Vcore has helped in some instances
0x109	CRITICAL_STRUCTURE_CORRUPTION	add ram voltage
0x0A	IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL	add IMC voltage, or ram voltage
0x1A	MEMORY_MANAGEMENT	It usually means a bad stick of ram. Test with Memtest or whatever you prefer. Try raising ram voltage. Can also mean more juice for the IMC
0x7E	SYSTEM_THREAD_EXCEPTION_NOT_HANDLED	should do sfc /scannow and chkdsk /r

The big thing that is important is did you update the BIOS for your motherboard? Ryzen 5800X is supported in version F60 and above. With F63a as the latest. 5800x3d support. Also if the hardware does not work at stock then you need to troubleshoot and replace the component/s that does not work. Ryzen 5800X can BSOD at idle. Disabling c-states can help isolate this issue. System event viewer may help you find out why the system is having a BSOD. Disabling XMP and running the RAM at stock Jedec standards may help isolate the component causing the issue.